Things You Like Despite Their Problems

[FFP2]

Final Fantasy 13 and it's sequels. 13 had no soul but the music and asthetics kept me going. 13-2 felt weird to me but I loved it and I truly believe that Caius is one of the best villains in the franchise.

Bayonetta has some awful sound mixing where you can barely hear the characters speak but it's still my favourite game this gen.

Tech wise, my Xperia Ray. Sony really screwed up the OS, it's buggy as hell and the stock music player is awful (had to get the Walkman port from the Xperia S) but I still love the phone.

 

[ScruffyMcBalls]

I really really like Dark Void.
Yes, the NON-jetpack parts are tedious sometimes, but the Jetpack parts?
Oh, the Jetpack parts are just soo damn awesome.

Glad I've finally found someone else that agrees. If that game had actually been finished by release it'd be in my top ten, such a wasted opportunity...

As for my personal answer:
Metal Gear series, fucking love these games, everything about them. Except for the fact that despite being called Metal Gear SOLID, almost none of them have anything to do with SOLID SNAKE. Despite that I have faith that Kojima will rectify that with Phantom Pains (a.k.a Metal Gear 5)

Gears of War (except 3), fucking love these games (can you sense the start of a pattern?). Mostly because of the fun I had with co-op and horde modes, but honestly they were just a shitload of fun. Despite the "urgh I'm a MAN!" characters and the fact everything was brown. Sadly the third installment went wrong because they moved too far and too fast from the themes, pacing and style of the original. Oh, that and bullshit deus ex machina.

Sonic The Hedgehog, fucking love th- you get the idea. Problem is I haven't enjoyed a 2D or 3D sonic game since Sonic Adventure, and that one mostly holds up thanks to nostalgia and the few times the game shined with genuine brilliance. For some reason Sonic's handlers forgot what made those games great, as a result so have I.

John Woo movies, the one director whose entire back catalog gets a free pass. The man can do no wrong in my book. Hammy dialog? Contrived plot? Ridiculous fight scenes? It doesn't matter, because when John Woo does it, whatever it is, it becomes fucking awesome. This is the man who gave us the chainsaw duel in Tiger On The Beat. Yeah, seriously. Same guy who gave us the half an hour run-and-gun scene from the hospital in Hard Boiled. The man is a god.

I'll stop there for now, save y'all some time.

 

[The Funslinger]

The Sword of Truth books.

Ignoring that the 'hero' is intolerant, overzealous and a bit pretentious, and the grim-dark factor, the stories are very emotionally resonating.

 

[Ultress]

Mai-Hime,yes it's defiantly flawed with it's stupid ass pull ending and it's failed attempts at deconstruction but it's still very enjoyable and Mai is a nice change of pace from the normal genki girl who usually has the lead role in a magical girl show.

Tales of Legendia,the skill system is weird as is the story but the combat itself is solid and the characters are likable.

Code Geass R2,it's goofy and over the top but at the same time that's why it's fun.

 

[antidonkey]

Dead Island. It has plenty of problems but I've had so much fun playing that game. I've beaten it around 6 or 7 times on both PS3 and PC. I'm sure I'll play thru it again soon and am very much looking forward to Riptide.

 

[AT God]

I like Duke Nukem Forever and I like the three video game movies I have seen: Max Payne, Hitman, and The Postal Movie.

Duke I think was overly hated since it didn't deliver what we wanted, but that didn't make it a bad game, it just wasn't the holy grail we all really wanted.

As for game movies, I really like the three I have seen. Max Payne retells the story adapted to film. It strays a little but it has to stray a little, books to films stay also.

Hitman was really good. Timothy Olyphant did a great job being 47, the changes they made to the film seemed necessary (The reason they didn't make 47 a clone would have meant all the other assassins would have had to be played by Olyphant also. This would have made that awesome 4 assassin sword fight less awesome, look it up.)

And The Postal Movie, there is no movie to be made, the game was about doing daily tasks and having rediculous things happening each time. The movie picked one task you did, the angle with Uncle Dave, and made an odd narrative about it. It kept some Postal jokes like Crotchy and the Cat Silencer but it made the characters into a film.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

Diablo 3 so much... love everything about the game, hate everything about what the game makes you do to play it. Its like someone punching you in the stomach before they take you out for ice cream

I too enjoy Diablo 3, although the always online thing is irritating and I absolutely HATE the bloody cooldown on potions. If I has a dime for every time I died because my character refused to drink a health potion because it was still cooling down I'd be able to buy Blizzard and make them patch that out. It's esp. annoying when my character makes some sarcastic remark like "Why would I do that?"
On the other hand there are several mechanics I like over it's predecessors, namely I like how potions stack and how all the ones in my inventory are accessible through one slot on the HUD or a keystroke as opposed to only being allowed to have a limited number on my belt.

 

[Professor Lupin Madblood]

Mass Effect 3's endings.[footnote]With the extended cut, naturally.[/footnote]

Bioware set out to make you achieve victory through sacrifice, and holy hell do they succeed.

I don't actually know what Homestuck is, despite having heard its name something like twenty times around here. I just had to do that because you preemptively raised a flame shield.

Spoiler: It's an absurdly long webcomic.

 

[jdogtwodolla]

A Night at The Roxbury is not a very good film but I love it.

Wait, I'm supposed to think of problems I have with the movie that don't stop my enjoyment of it but I suddenly realize that I can't think of any. I can't actually think of any problems that I have with this movie.

This... This is probably the best movie ever.

 

[War Penguin]

I love Fallout 3, despite it's crappy story, plot holes, and horrid treatment of the lore. It makes up for it in fantastic game design.

I love Fallout New Vegas, despite it's pretty crappy game design. It makes up for it in great story, great writing, and proper treatment of the lore.

[sub][sub]I'm gonna be hated for both of those comments. I can feel it! :S[/sub][/sub]

As for the first, I never really looked too much into the lore or plot of Fallout 3 so it didn't bother me too much. My enjoyment came from the exploration and creating my own character story. So I guess I am the same as you in that I loved it despite it's flaws.

As for the second, I am more surprised than anything. What was so bad about New Vega's game design? It was almost exactly the same as Fallout 3 except they added things like weapon modding, traits and factions, and proper companions. Or rather, they re-added them in, as they already existed in Fallout 2.

Genuine question, I am curious to know how you can dislike it when you like Fallout 3's.

Personally the only thing I liked less was the map itself. I found the lack of interesting places to explore quite disheartening. Not to mention how poorly created New Vegas itself was.

I agree with these two though. They both have flaws, but if you can ignore them, they are two of the best games of recent years.

I wasn't much too bothered with the lack of proper plot or lore treatment during the first couple of times I played it. That is until I played New Vegas and I really got into the lore, showing me how much Fallout 3 screwed it up.

As for New Vegas, it pretty much stems from needing one more year in development. Much of what you said about the map sums most of it up. Most of it. Now, I wouldn't have minded that too much, were it not for the fact that it's built like a sandbox game. But since it is, it's pretty much padding from going one quest place to the next. Since there's not a whole lot of interesting places in between, like Fallout 3, it became a chore trekking around the Mojave.

I also meant level design, which I should have clarified in my first post. The perfect example is Hoover Dam. Right from the getgo whenever you first arrive there are already issues. For one, textures: I stood around for five minutes waiting for the textures to pop in for the entrance building. Turns out, it was already loaded. My god, was it so goddam blurry pixelated. When your graphics are worse than your predecessor, something ain't right! The second thing that bothered me when you first got to Hoover Dam is the music. If you didn't have your radio on[footnote]which the music for me was halved in volume but Mr. New Vegas wasn't. What's up with that?[/footnote] it had the battle music playing. It was so intense and dramatic that it would have been perfect for the fight for Hoover Dam at the end. But no fighting was done. It was so incredibly intense and dramatic that it was so ridiculous when you were just walking around calmly doing whatever. Once you got inside, the graphics and textures got a whole lot better, but the music is still there. Not to mention the lack of named NPCs you could talk to. Also, the place was goddam huge! And I don't mean that as a good thing. Giant generator rooms that looked exactly like the last one, a whole maze of offices that were so goddam hard to track through, and a shop that I had no idea was there until my third playthrough. It's stuff like that which shows the crappy level design. And stuff like this is peppered throughout New Vegas and it bothered the hell out of me!

I would go on with other examples, but the post is already a wall of text as it is. But like I said, it could have been fixed quite a bit. One more year in development and it would have been perfect. It needed a lot of fine tuning. So there, that's why I think New Vegas is inferior.

... It's still good, though! <.<

 

[TheDoctor455]

Obsidian/Troika/Black Isle's games are always buggy as hell, but they also have some of the best writing in the industry. Easily outpacing Bioware.

 

[Beffudled Sheep_v1legacy]

I liked Duke Nukem Forever despite its problems. I thought it was fun to play (some sections of rage aside) and pretty funny. The flaws just didn't bother me.

 

[TakerFoxx]

Oh, so many...

Elfen Lied. So, so many story problems, but it remains a favorite due to it hitting just about every single one of my story fetishes.

Skyrim. Soooooo many bugs, and so many of the big questlines end disappointingly. And yet, I keep playing. And enjoying.

Sonic CD: Definitely Sega's most...experimental Sonic game from the era. And many of their experiments fall flat. But just as many work spectacularly, and I have to admire them for trying to push the boundaries they had at the time. I'll take a game that boldly takes multiple risks and screws up as a result than one that just sticks to the safe formula any day.

Harry Potter: Kind of a borderline case. Rowling is a fantastic story-teller, but not the best writer in the world (though she is pretty good), and the pacing gets really wonky at times. Still an incredible story though.

KotoR 2: Not really the developers fault, given that they were forced to rush production, but its incompleteness really shows. Doesn't keep it from being fucking awesome though.

NGE Nobody Dies: A very popular Evangelion fanfic. Unfortunately, it suffers from mediocre narration, overly convoluted plots, rampant fanservice (not the sexual kind), and way too many blatant cameos. But the dialogue and characterization is so fucking good!

Professional Wrestling: Do I even need to explain? If you want to become part of a fandom that allows you to rage and gush to your fullest abilities at all times, become a smark.

And that's all I can think of right now.

 

[Queen Michael]

I like the TVtropes wiki (not going near the forums most of the time) even though nobody there knows how indentation of bullet points is supposed to be done. Good rule of thumb: If there's only one indentation, you're not doing it right.

 

[Xarathox]

Metal Gear Solid 2. Even among hardcore fans, this title is generally the most hated, because of Raiden's appearance. Personally, I didn't have too many problems with him. He wasn't nearly as whiney as others made him out to be. He just had this "Fuck This! I don't want to be here!" attitude that I could certainly understand. It was Rose that kept dragging shit down the whole trip. However, the design choice to make him as close to Final Fantasy trope as possible put me off. Dunno what Hideo was thinking there. Anyway, the ending of this game is what made me fall in love with it. It was just absolutely batshit insane.

MGS4, to me, is the worst entry in the series. Because, nanomachines son! the magic Mcguffin that explained everything. Also, the acting was pretty bad. Luckily I didn't waste a cent on the purchase of a PS3 or the game to experience it. Some dude frapped his play through and I just d/l'd that shit.

 

[Shoggoth2588]

I really really like Dark Void.
Yes, the NON-jetpack parts are tedious sometimes, but the Jetpack parts?
Oh, the Jetpack parts are just soo damn awesome.

Dark Void could very easily have been a side-story to Crimson Skies...Remember Crimson Skies on the Xbox (and possibly PS2)? If not, check out some gameplay footage and imagine Dark Void spliced in then imagine some more planes and zeppelins in the final boss arena of Dark Void and you have the recipe for the best Franken-game ever.

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I think I recently said that Otogi: Myth of Demons is my favorite game of all time...the problem is the fact that the most hours I put into that game was way back when I was a teenager. I've gotten stuck a couple of times trying to get back into the game but dammit, I still love the game even though the levels featuring water are pains in my ass. Especially the freaking boat level.

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Punisher: War Zone is my favorite Marvel Comics movie. Yes, I like War Zone more than Avengers.

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Mask of the Phantasm is my all-time favorite Batman movie, closely followed by Under the Red Hood. Batman 1989 is my favorite of the live action movies with Batman Returns being the second favorite and, Batman Begins being third in line for live action Bat-movies (5th overall I suppose)

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Despite the season 2 ending, I think Rosario+Vampire is my favorite HaRomCom anime.

 

[EmperorSubcutaneous]

I can make nitpicks about pretty much everything I like, so I'll only focus on those things that have a number of serious problems.

Final Fantasy XI is grindy and full of tedium and bullshit fake challenge (5% drop rates and the like), but the music, community, and immersion are the best of any online game ever. And I have never loved any class as much as I love corsair.

Uru Live is a buggy, poorly optimized, poorly thought-out piece of crap that has really next to no reason to be multiplayer, but the puzzles and Ages are some of the best in the entire Myst series, and the story is definitely better than those of most of the other games in the series. Fun music as well.

Prometheus and Avatar were both very engrossing movies with fascinating worlds, and I enjoyed both thoroughly. Even some of the parts that most people hated. I won't even get into their problems here because fuck all that noise.

And spicy food destroys me from the inside out, but it tastes so good.

 

[saluraropicrusa]

I think I recently said that Otogi: Myth of Demons is my favorite game of all time...the problem is the fact that the most hours I put into that game was way back when I was a teenager. I've gotten stuck a couple of times trying to get back into the game but dammit, I still love the game even though the levels featuring water are pains in my ass. Especially the freaking boat level.

I wish I had an original Xbox, because my god, that game looks amazing. It's incredibly stylish, and the level I watched footage of had incredible music. I'd love to try it some day.

 

[Jfswift]

Dark Souls and Fallout:NV. Both tend to be very buggy at times but overall they're so entertaining that I tend to overlook these things.

 

[Lovely Mixture]

Most things I like have problems. If you truly enjoy something, admitting flaws shouldn't be a problem.

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Well, Sword Art Online, Guilty Crown, and High School of the Dead comes to mind.

Sword Art Online I hear people either praise or complain about. I lean more towards the "like it" category. I can see the problems, but I just find the show entertaining, regardless.

Guilty Crown people seems to be much more cynical about. I heard some people even call it one of the worst anime ever, which is complete bullshit. While it's not perfect, it's by no means as godawful as people make it out to be. You can say it's mediocre at best, but like Sword Art Online, I get entertainment out of it, and I can watch it more than once and not get bored.

As for High School of the Dead, my biggest complaint isn't the fanservice, but that for a zombie anime, the violence was far to tame. I've seen episodes of Adventure Time and Regular Show that had more brutal zombie action than HotD. Not even one zombie head explodes. Other than that it's a fun watch, and I can get a laugh out of some of the ecchi scenes (Matrix boobies, anyone?), and I tend to hate ecchi. Just like Guilty Crown, I can watch this multiple times.

Just my two cents:
Sword Art Online is the only show I truly and utterly despise. That shit actually made me respect Guilty Crown (though I agree GC is not the worst show ever, I would give that vote to SAO but I digress).
Guilty Crown is bad, but it is entertaining (intentionally or unintentionally), and has semblance of storytelling.

I do agree on Highschool of the Dead though. It's got problems, but it just does what it does.

As for my personal answer:
Metal Gear series, fucking love these games, everything about them. Except for the fact that despite being called Metal Gear SOLID, almost none of them have anything to do with SOLID SNAKE. Despite that I have faith that Kojima will rectify that with Phantom Pains (a.k.a Metal Gear 5)

I feel the MGS series is indeed a good example of this, but for different reasons (IIRC it was called "Solid" because of the transition to 3D technology), the storylines are silly, but they do manage to involve actual discussions on war and nuclear weapons......Just leave MGS4 out of the equation.