Things You Might (Incorrectly) Believe About Guns
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The force of a bullet hitting a body can't knock you over or even slow you down. It's a tiny little object. People recoil or fall over because, hello, their internal organs have suddenly been turned into ground beef. Stopping power is a misnomer and actually refers to a variety of secondary wounding effects, some of which are medically quite iffy.
And if you could knock someone over with a bullet, then you would shoot for the legs to trip them and knock them out from under them, just like a football player making a tackle.
Being hit by a .45 caliber bullet in terms of force transfer is like having a 1 pound weight dropped on you from 12 feet up. Not that impressive.
Exactly, because the state of the object can never be know for certain, you ALWAYS assume that it is loaded, so that you reflexively handle it the safest way possible.Logic 0 said:
What about...safety catches? I know one should have them on at all times, but 1.5 seconds seems not enough time to fumble with the damn thing (Say at midnight like the teen mugger) and then fire. Suggestions? (Sorry if I seem ignorant- I tend to stay away from most guns like the plague.)dastardly said:
I agree with your points as far as morality and such goes. Legally, you'd have some issues if you ever made it to court. You have the whole property defense thing, which states that they have to be in your home or just about to enter it before you can shoot them. Warning shots are a no go for several reasons. First, as you said, every bullet needs to go somewhere. Second, if you shoot a warning shot, then have to shoot the person...that's just gone from self defense to premeditated murder.
The simple fact of the matter is this. If you pull a gun, you better be 100% sure you want to kill the SOB you pulled it on.
The simple fact of the matter is this. If you pull a gun, you better be 100% sure you want to kill the SOB you pulled it on.
What I got from the OP:
If someone pulls a gun while within 21 feet of you, you can totally reach them and stab them before they can stop you.
Thanks, OP! You've signed my ticket to Valhalla.
If someone pulls a gun while within 21 feet of you, you can totally reach them and stab them before they can stop you.
Thanks, OP! You've signed my ticket to Valhalla.
Have you ever taken Physics? If so you would know a .45 is pretty damn stopping. The Formula for Kinetic Energy is KE=.5M(V squared), where M is mass and V is velocity. Going at say...just 300 miles an hour, that bullet's got energy. And a 1 pound plate is a little more annoying than you think. One, that plate as you said is turning your insides to jam- now imagine 4 of those. I think that would at least slow people down.maturin said:
That was a good read. I enjoyed it, and will keep every tip in mind when encountering someone who wants to know more of the subject.
To the TC: Very correct reasoning on your original post. One thing I'd like to add, although it's just about as much common sense as what you wrote.
If you draw your gun on someone, you'd better be prepared to USE it. Sometimes the threat alone is enough to stop an attacker or make them run, and that's all fine and good. However, don't you dare bluff, as you're betting your life on that bluff. It goes without saying that if you draw your gun to bluff an attacker and they don't fall for it, chances are they'll get their hands on the gun you're holding and what are they odds that they won't kill you with it after you've threatened their own life? I'd guess they aren't good.
If you draw your gun on someone, you'd better be prepared to USE it. Sometimes the threat alone is enough to stop an attacker or make them run, and that's all fine and good. However, don't you dare bluff, as you're betting your life on that bluff. It goes without saying that if you draw your gun to bluff an attacker and they don't fall for it, chances are they'll get their hands on the gun you're holding and what are they odds that they won't kill you with it after you've threatened their own life? I'd guess they aren't good.
Depends on the weapon, if you have a Glock, you don't need to keep the safety on as it is striker-fired double-action(it isn't cocked until you pull the trigger). If you have a hammer fired pistol like a Sig or a 1911, you do need to keep the safety on. If you hit the hammer with enough force without the safety on, in WILL cause an accidental discharge.Xero Scythe said:
If you have a Makarov and a special holster, you can walk around without a round in the chamber, and as you draw it, the holster will chamber one for you.
But, you are right, a safety does present a variable to the situation that can cause some serious foul-ups to someones game plan. That is why ANYONE who plans on carrying a firearm should train with it... a lot! A few hundred rounds should be the bare minimum!
Wow, I would have figured at least one person would have disagreed... You knowledge has educated many of the people on this thread, including me. I took a hunting course when I was 14 (like all good Pennsylvania boys and girls) and this was something they drilled into our heads repeatedly; Treat the gun as it is always loaded, and never point it at anything you dont intend to shoot.
While all these facts you are stating are probably quite true, what you are ultimately saying boils down to this:
If someone jumps out in front of you on the street at night, the most appropriate response is to immediately draw your concealed gun, shoot them and not stop shooting them until you're sure they're dead.
Jesus wept.
If someone jumps out in front of you on the street at night, the most appropriate response is to immediately draw your concealed gun, shoot them and not stop shooting them until you're sure they're dead.
Jesus wept.
Totally fair question! The purpose of a safety catch is just to keep someone from unintentionally pulling the trigger. Some of them are basically a button or switch near the trigger, and other guns have it built into the grip (like Glocks). If this guy was carrying a Glock, which is popular for its dependability, the safety wouldn't be a concern.Xero Scythe said:
The idea is that the safety is meant to interfere with "accidental" firing, but not to keep you from intentionally firing when you want to. A person who has a concealed carry permit has usually practiced at least a fair amount with the piece they're carrying, so that clicking the safety off becomes a reflex, just like turning a doorknob before you pull.
Hehe, more accurately while they're stopping youThe Random One said:
