Things you used to love that you now hate

[Hawki]

Guess that kind of echoes the games. Plenty of of absolute nonsense there too. I mean, recent example: Umbrella is blue now, and the good guys, and Chris Redfield is with them? Wha happun?

https://residentevil.wikia.com/wiki/Red_Umbrella

https://residentevil.wikia.com/wiki/Blue_Umbrella

It's not a case of Umbrella "becoming" Blue. Blue Umbrella is an PMC made up of former Umbrella employees who wanted to make up for the mess their company caused (I actually really like this idea - Umbrella no doubt employed plenty of people who weren't involved in its BOW problems). In contrast, Red Umbrella, while not outright stated to be part of the original Umbrella, is a black market group involved in infiltrating bio-terror sites, retrieving material, and selling it.

Granted, this is all from the wiki, as the last RE game I played was RE5. When I first heard of Blue/Red Umbrella, I was actually reminded of White Umbrella (the name of Umbrella's BOW division in the Perry novels).

But the games' brand of nonsense is so stupid and over the top that it becomes kind of endearing. The movies? Not so much, not for my tastes at least.

I'd say the key difference is that as convoluted as RE's plot became (sort of, I never had problem following it while I was invested in the series), it remained at least a sense of congruency. In contrast, the movies...well, compare Umbrella's stated motives in the sixth film (release the T-virus to 'cleanse' the world, because of course a corporation would do that) with their actions in RE2 (trying to contain the virus in Raccoon City). FFS, the sixth film even claims the US government nuked Raccoon City in the second film, whereas in the actual film, it was Umbrella who did it. Also, the developer of the T-virus is no longer Doctor Ashford apparently, but...gah.

The games at least have an excuse in that there's more of them with staff coming and going, whereas Anderson was in creative control of the movies, and still couldn't keep them straight.

 

[Chimpzy_v1legacy]

It's not a case of Umbrella "becoming" Blue. Blue Umbrella is an PMC made up of former Umbrella employees who wanted to make up for the mess their company caused (I actually really like this idea - Umbrella no doubt employed plenty of people who weren't involved in its BOW problems).

I know, but that's not something I initially figured out from RE7s ending alone. Instead, I got Chris Redfield, being all 'the cavalry has arrived', arriving in a helicopter with an Umbrella logo on it (but blue), and I'm all "Whut? Error! DOES NOT COMPUTE!" I learned it from the wiki.

The games at least have an excuse in that there's more of them with staff coming and going, whereas Anderson was in creative control of the movies, and still couldn't keep them straight.

Looking at the movies, I'm pretty sure consistency was rather low on Anderson's priority list in favor of trying real hard to make his wife look awesome and better than everyone else.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Count me in with losing interest with Marvel movies, it started with Guardians of the Galaxy and I did not like the direction they were going with the whole franchise, and Age of Ultron killed it for me.

And count me in with most internet reviewers, especially the movie ones, fuck almost all of them.

Bioware, well I liked Mass Effect 3 and am fond of SWTOR, but disliked the fuck out of Dragon Age 2, that game was my first betrayal in video games.

"Hate" is a strong word, but if I shift the criteria to "stuff I used to like but now dislike" (note that this isn't the same as just losing interest), I can nominate:

-Dragon Ball Z (already ranted against this numerous times, won't do it here)

-Red vs. Blue (as much as I loved seasons 1-6, and found seasons 7-8 bearable, the Freelancer era (seasons 9-10) killed it for me. I absolutely detest what the show became)

-Warhammer 40,000 (while I can't say I dislike it per se, I'm far less enamored than I once was. A lot of it comes off as juvenile to me now)

-Family Guy (for reasons that should be obvious)

-Cinema Sins (while I've become disenchanted with a lot of reviewers (as Baron lists), Cinema Sins is arguably the only one that shifted to actual dislike. It started off funny, but the schitck got old, and it bothers me that so many people treat it as actual film criticism rather than nitpicking)

(Though I now consider Beamdog the real inheritors of Bioware)

Has Beamdog done anything other than ports/remakes?

I am not asking for a detailed explination but remind me what was the Saga that turned you off of Dragon Ball?

Red vs Blue has certainly came FAR from where they began, and of course not everyone will like the decision, and you gotta admit if they continued with the same old schitck then the whole show will stagnate, I mean look at most animated comedies.

I am of the opinion that Warhammer Fantasy is the better realized universe then 40k, and less ridiculous.

I always figured American Dad was the better show. Stan Smith is MILES a better character and a better person than Peter Griffin.

And yes I fuckin despise Cinemasins most of all of the internet reviewers.

 

[Hawki]

I am not asking for a detailed explination but remind me what was the Saga that turned you off of Dragon Ball?

It's not any one saga, it's the following issues (abridged):

-You're a saiyan or you're useless

-It's the repeated formula of villains one-uppping themselves, and the solution always being for the protagonists to one-up themselves

-It's repetitive as hell - monologues, trembling, fight, monologues, trembling, exclamations of how Goku/whoever is so powerful, blah blah blah...)

Red vs Blue has certainly came FAR from where they began, and of course not everyone will like the decision, and you gotta admit if they continued with the same old schitck then the whole show will stagnate, I mean look at most animated comedies.

Then...don't continue it?

Also, stagnation would have been better than whatever the hell Freelancer was. Also, I'll make it perfectly clear that if the Freelancer saga was its own thing, with no relation to Red vs. Blue, it would still be a piece of crap regardless.

I am of the opinion that Warhammer Fantasy is the better realized universe then 40k, and less ridiculous.

Debatable. Better realized? Hard to say. Whatever else I can say about 40K, it's got volumes of lore.

But less rediculous? Absolutely. Then again, I think that's part of 40K's appeal.

 

[CrazyGirl17]

"Hate" is a strong word, but if I shift the criteria to "stuff I used to like but now dislike" (note that this isn't the same as just losing interest), I can nominate:

-Dragon Ball Z (already ranted against this numerous times, won't do it here)

-Red vs. Blue (as much as I loved seasons 1-6, and found seasons 7-8 bearable, the Freelancer era (seasons 9-10) killed it for me. I absolutely detest what the show became)

I dunno, I like Red VS Blue ups to season 10, but I guess I just lost interest.

Anyway, I've fallen out of love with shonen anime. It's just episode after episode of the same damn thing, endless filler and fighting tournaments and... I dunno, after a while I got bored with The lengthy, cliche-ridden messes.

Doesn't help that they've been farming out DragonBall Super even on weekday nights for a while now.

 

[shrekfan246]

There was a video game forum I used to frequent once upon a time. Can't think of the name anymore, though.

 

[Saelune]

There was a video game forum I used to frequent once upon a time. Can't think of the name anymore, though.

Does the name ESCAPE YOU!?





(Also hi again )

 

[shrekfan246]

There was a video game forum I used to frequent once upon a time. Can't think of the name anymore, though.

Does the name ESCAPE YOU!?

I see what you did there!

(Also hi again )

Wait, I know how to respond:


(It would work better if you had said "welcome back", but oh well. Hi!)

 

[Saelune]

There was a video game forum I used to frequent once upon a time. Can't think of the name anymore, though.

Does the name ESCAPE YOU!?

I see what you did there!

(Also hi again )

Wait, I know how to respond:


(It would work better if you had said "welcome back", but oh well. Hi!)

That's why I said hi instead

 

[Agema]

Action movies, generally.

Nowadays they mostly seem to be this riot of glossy, high budget tedium that barely ever holds my attention. All those bloody meh Marvel movies. DC universe ones are brain-gougingly dull. Fast and Forgettable. Alien: Flogging Another Dead Horse. The list goes on. Have they got worse, or have I just seen so many over the decades that one exploding building looks too much like all the others?

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Action movies, generally.

Nowadays they mostly seem to be this riot of glossy, high budget tedium that barely ever holds my attention. All those bloody meh Marvel movies. DC universe ones are brain-gougingly dull. Fast and Forgettable. Alien: Flogging Another Dead Horse. The list goes on. Have they got worse, or have I just seen so many over the decades that one exploding building looks too much like all the others?

I generally prefer War Battles over Action Hero fights. But combine them both and you get 300, and I still watch 300 for the action from time to time:

 

[Agema]

I generally prefer War Battles over Action Hero fights. But combine them both and you get 300, and I still watch 300 for the action from time to time

Personally, I think action movies peaked in the 1980s: none of that ultra fast-cutting and CGI bullshit to save the directors the effort of creating proper thrills the hard way.

 

[Zeraki]

WWE... main roster at least.

NXT is great though, it reminds me of why I loved being a wrestling fan in the first place when I was younger.

 

[BrawlMan]

Action movies, generally.

Nowadays they mostly seem to be this riot of glossy, high budget tedium that barely ever holds my attention. All those bloody meh Marvel movies. DC universe ones are brain-gougingly dull. Fast and Forgettable. Alien: Flogging Another Dead Horse. The list goes on. Have they got worse, or have I just seen so many over the decades that one exploding building looks too much like all the others?

I recommend low budge action movies that go straight to DVD. The quality for these type of movies have improved immensely since the late 2000s. I recommend a lot of action films staring Scott Adkins.




Speaking of Micheal Jai White, here's a clip from Falcon Rising:

"Hate" is a strong word, but if I shift the criteria to "stuff I used to like but now dislike" (note that this isn't the same as just losing interest), I can nominate:

-Dragon Ball Z (already ranted against this numerous times, won't do it here)

-Red vs. Blue (as much as I loved seasons 1-6, and found seasons 7-8 bearable, the Freelancer era (seasons 9-10) killed it for me. I absolutely detest what the show became)

I dunno, I like Red VS Blue ups to season 10, but I guess I just lost interest.

Anyway, I've fallen out of love with shonen anime. It's just episode after episode of the same damn thing, endless filler and fighting tournaments and... I dunno, after a while I got bored with The lengthy, cliche-ridden messes.

Doesn't help that they've been farming out DragonBall Super even on weekday nights for a while now.

Never go full shounen, you'll burnout from the tropes and dated cliches that come with it. If you do stick with one anime/manga of the genre; pick My Hero Academia. Takes most of the tropes and subverts them. I'm a guy who does variety when it comes to anime. I don't stick with one genre. I would die from boredom. Send me message or respond, if you need any suggestions.

 

[CrazyGirl17]

"Hate" is a strong word, but if I shift the criteria to "stuff I used to like but now dislike" (note that this isn't the same as just losing interest), I can nominate:

-Dragon Ball Z (already ranted against this numerous times, won't do it here)

-Red vs. Blue (as much as I loved seasons 1-6, and found seasons 7-8 bearable, the Freelancer era (seasons 9-10) killed it for me. I absolutely detest what the show became)

I dunno, I like Red VS Blue ups to season 10, but I guess I just lost interest.

Anyway, I've fallen out of love with shonen anime. It's just episode after episode of the same damn thing, endless filler and fighting tournaments and... I dunno, after a while I got bored with The lengthy, cliche-ridden messes.

Doesn't help that they've been farming out DragonBall Super even on weekday nights for a while now.

Never go full shounen, you'll burnout from the tropes and dated cliches that come with it. If you do stick with one anime/manga of the genre; pick My Hero Academia. Takes most of the tropes and subverts them. I'm a guy who does variety when it comes to anime. I don't stick with one genre. I would die from boredom. Send me message or respond, if you need any suggestions.

Already done, though I'll take recommendations when I can.

(Admittedly, I am also partial to Busou Renkin, a more tounge-in-cheek shonen series by the same guy who made Rurouni Kenshin.)

 

[Trunkage]

I generally prefer War Battles over Action Hero fights. But combine them both and you get 300, and I still watch 300 for the action from time to time

Personally, I think action movies peaked in the 1980s: none of that ultra fast-cutting and CGI bullshit to save the directors the effort of creating proper thrills the hard way.

Strongly disagree. I remember things like Commando and Missing in Action. Die Hard and Robocop have aged but are still okay. As bad as action movies are now, they were nowhere near as bad as the former.

I think this comes with distance from that time too. We forget about all those awful movies and just remember the good ones. It seems like it was a good decade if you don't remember the crap

 

[BrawlMan]

I generally prefer War Battles over Action Hero fights. But combine them both and you get 300, and I still watch 300 for the action from time to time

Personally, I think action movies peaked in the 1980s: none of that ultra fast-cutting and CGI bullshit to save the directors the effort of creating proper thrills the hard way.

Strongly disagree. I remember things like Commando and Missing in Action. Die Hard and Robocop have aged but are still okay. As bad as action movies are now, they were nowhere near as bad as the former.

I think this comes with distance from that time too. We forget about all those awful movies and just remember the good ones. It seems like it was a good decade if you don't remember the crap

I gotta agree with Agema to some extent. In my case, actions films peeked in 80s and 90s. The early 2000s is where the genre starts to falter. First, you had everyone and their grandmother copying or doing a "parody" of the Matrix. Even the franchise itself was chasing its own tail with the crappy sequels. Bullet time became old hat by the time 2006 rolled around, unless you're playing video games (that came with its own problems too later). Second, the biggest issue was The Bourne Supremacy, anything Michael Bay did, and Saving Private Ryan to a lesser extent. Everyone was copying Bourne and doing the whole shaky cam to an even worse degree. With more quick cutting and hap hazard editing than Bay admitted himself that we wouldn't fucking do. I was never a hardcore Bourne fan, but I think the trilogy as a whole is just okay; with the Identity being the best one. Legacy should have been its own movie, and the newest entry just flat out sucked. I don't know how a friend of mine or my family enjoyed that piece of trash.

Not only standard action films suffered from this, but spy thrillers or action thrillers as a whole: Salt, Bond'a Quantum of Solace, Taken (the shaky cam gets worse in each installment), Crank 2, and Transporter 3. Oh my God, American action movies suffered so much from this after Bourne originally finished up. It took until like 2013/2014 for non-superhero action films to stop doing this, but even some recent superhero films suffer from quick cut editing too. See some scenes in Civil War if you don't know what I am talking about. Movies like Skyfall, John Wick, The Kingsman, and Ninja 2: Shadow of Tear Showed you don't need any of that stupid bullshit for "realism" or to hide to fact you don't know how to do an action scene. With this, and stuff like Atomic Blonde and the recent Mission Impossible, Hollywood will hire more competent action directors and stunt coordinators. And if you are going to di shaky cam do it fucking right like the Raid movies.

See my points:






Watch this guys stuff, if you're into action films.

 

[Trunkage]

I generally prefer War Battles over Action Hero fights. But combine them both and you get 300, and I still watch 300 for the action from time to time

Personally, I think action movies peaked in the 1980s: none of that ultra fast-cutting and CGI bullshit to save the directors the effort of creating proper thrills the hard way.

Strongly disagree. I remember things like Commando and Missing in Action. Die Hard and Robocop have aged but are still okay. As bad as action movies are now, they were nowhere near as bad as the former.

I think this comes with distance from that time too. We forget about all those awful movies and just remember the good ones. It seems like it was a good decade if you don't remember the crap

I gotta agree with Agema to some extent. In my case, actions films peeked in 80s and 90s. The early 2000s is where the genre starts to falter. First, you had everyone and their grandmother copying or doing a "parody" of the Matrix. Even the franchise itself was chasing its own tail with the crappy sequels. Bullet time became old hat by the time 2006 rolled around, unless you're playing video games (that came with its own problems too later). Second, the biggest issue was The Bourne Supremacy, anything Michael Bay did, and Saving Private Ryan to a lesser extent. Everyone was copying Bourne and doing the whole shaky cam to an even worse degree. With more quick cutting and hap hazard editing than Bay admitted himself that we wouldn't fucking do. I was never a hardcore Bourne fan, but I think the trilogy as a whole is just okay; with the Identity being the best one. Legacy should have been its own movie, and the newest entry just flat out sucked. I don't know how a friend of mine or my family enjoyed that piece of trash.

Not only standard action films suffered from this, but spy thrillers or action thrillers as a whole: Salt, Bond'a Quantum of Solace, Taken (the shaky cam gets worse in each installment), Crank 2, and Transporter 3. Oh my God, American action movies suffered so much from this after Bourne originally finished up. It took until like 2013/2014 for non-superhero action films to stop doing this, but even some recent superhero films suffer from quick cut editing too. See some scenes in Civil War if you don't know what I am talking about. Movies like Skyfall, John Wick, The Kingsman, and Ninja 2: Shadow of Tear Showed you don't need any of that stupid bullshit for "realism" or to hide to fact you don't know how to do an action scene. With this, and stuff like Atomic Blonde and the recent Mission Impossible, Hollywood will hire more competent action directors and stunt coordinators. And if you are going to di shaky cam do it fucking right like the Raid movies.

See my points:






Watch this guys stuff, if you're into action films.

I'm not denying there aren't bad movies. I'm just saying that we don't remember the bad ones from decades ago.

Also, I felt Skyfall and John Wick were pretty uninteresting. So I probably have no taste or whatever. I stopped watching James Bond after that movie. But then the Cainso Royale from last decade is the only James Bond worth watching. QoS was pretty lacklustre and Skyfall being legit bad. I don't know why John Widk is held up as good. Watching it once for me. That was enough. I prefer to see Bright again. (Another lacklustre movie that had far more intersesting things going on the John Wick. But that's a low bar, tbh.)

 

[BrawlMan]

Also, I felt Skyfall and John Wick were pretty uninteresting. So I probably have no taste or whatever. I stopped watching James Bond after that movie. But then the Cainso Royale from last decade is the only James Bond worth watching. QoS was pretty lacklustre and Skyfall being legit bad. I don't know why John Widk is held up as good. Watching it once for me. That was enough. I prefer to see Bright again. (Another lacklustre movie that had far more intersesting things going on the John Wick. But that's a low bar, tbh.)

I do remember the bad ones from the 90s at least. Basically, anything that was a straight-video sequel that had nothing to do with the stars of the original film, any Seagal film post Glimmer Man (with Exit Wounds being an okay exception), some of Van Damme's output in the mid to late 90s when he started losing steam, and the sequels to Aliens are very lackluster. With many more I can't think of at the moment. But even the worse ones usually knew to keep the camera fucking still, compared to average action movies that came out in the naughties where many film makers and producers had trouble figuring out.

 

[Agema]

Strongly disagree. I remember things like Commando and Missing in Action. Die Hard and Robocop have aged but are still okay. As bad as action movies are now, they were nowhere near as bad as the former.

I think this comes with distance from that time too. We forget about all those awful movies and just remember the good ones. It seems like it was a good decade if you don't remember the crap

I loved a lot of the crap.

The 80s was full of cheap and cheerful action and horror movies. Some may have been B-movies or only a small step up, and in many ways they can be as hokey as hell - but they're fun. Perhaps also in the 80s there was less reliance on mind-numbing sequels of generally diminishing returns, and thus perhaps more inventiveness.

I liked that the 80s had stuff (usually more in the horror domain) that was absolutely barking mad. Videodrome, From Beyond, Galaxy of Terror, Ice Pirates. Some of this stuff is really good, some it's junk, but even the junk tends to be fun.