Those Mexicans.

[werepossum]

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Well, there's actually lots of diversity in here. Not like the U.S, but still. We also have white 'uns and redheads in here. But yes, actual native ?Indians? are many, and account for a large part of the population, but as you probably discerned yourself, they got the lower end of the stick since ?the conquest.? Not only did they lose their lands, but also their religion and even their names, which is why my makeup is mostly a mixture (I tend to lean more to the white side), my name is still Alejandro, a greek name brought over from Spain, and my last name is Spanish-Arab rooted, again brought again from Spain (there were Arabs in Spain, you know), and STILL, there's indigenous in me, but what that's called, who knows. And that's just me; you go around and find Jimenez(son of Jaime), Rodriguez(son of Rodrigo), Sanchez(son of Sancho), etc. etc. There's still tons of them natives with their own names, but they're looked down upon. Can you believe that? They were here first and now have to stand at the back of the line.
Right now, even though nobody acknowledges it, exists a very deep rooted racism agains the native population, going so far as to call someone ?Indio? equates to calling someone a moron, even while they are the most disadvantaged of ALL the populations in México. Sucks, huh?
An indigenous resident can constitutionally run for president, that's for sure, but they're probably not even gonna be taken seriously by the money movers. Last election we had this: ?white guy vs white guy vs brown guy,? and people literally pointed at ?brown guy? and said disdainfully ?parece indio!?, which roughly translates to ?looks like an indian!.? Mind you, the shit hit the fan and, now, it depends on who you ask in here, but for my money, ?brown guy? did win and they pulled a total crapjob and stole the election. There were even math doctors that started checking the numbers that the committee put out and noted some friggin' gnarly irregularities in the numbers of the guy who ?won.?
Now, ?brown guy,? wasn't even a full blooded native but that actually tells you something.

Kinda what I suspected. I hate to get into racially based politics, but sometimes idealism has to give way to reality. And our own native peoples were pretty much decimated or worse, and are still typically living in utter poverty except those who have given up the reservation and assimilated - so it could be worse.

Those self-deporting Mexicans are in the minorities, trust me.

Yes, definitely a small minority, but that any are deporting themselves shows that enforcement can work to a degree and that not all of our immigrants are completely unskilled. An unskilled Mexican (Honduran, etc.) has no reason to return - he's got nothing better waiting for him - but if he's learned a marketable skill and has a bit of a stake saved up then he might do well in his home country. Also, many illegals say they don't want to be Americans - they just need work. Once they earn enough to set up a restaurant, taco stand, construction business, or whatever they'd really like to do, they can return home and not live in abject poverty. Those will always be less than the new immigrants' numbers, true, but if corruption doesn't cheat them out of their money then they've built up a bit of Mexico's economy. The only way in the long run to stem the flow of illegals is for other nations to establish a measure of prosperity and opportunity for the lowest to drag themselves up. Sadly it doesn't seem like the Mexican government has any interest in doing that, but I'd like to think that a grass roots economy funded with the money earned in and sent back from the USA could bring Mexico's poor a better standard of living. In other words, I'd like to think the money sent back is raising Mexico toward the USA's level of prosperity rather than just pulling the USA down. My fear is that those in power in the USA like Mexico's model better - a small but ultra wealthy ruling caste, a fairly small but essential middle class, and a very large and very poor underclass.

Yeah, it can. That is the case with my aunt went she went there to the U.S. She got there, she got work, she learned the language and is now a legal citizen; votes, speaks good english, skips jury duty, gets pissed when people refuse to learn the language,etc. But still, she's not assimilated at all, and still considers herself Mexican and an U.S citizen.

The real problem with México is that corruption starts from ?up there,? not ?down here.? The money that filters back into our economy can't be applied in industry or whatnot because it's spending base are mostly people with low education, and from there it filters elsewhere, it can't gain any kind of purposeful momentum anywhere; it's just there, circling around.

Money made in the U.S can for sure help, but only if it is managed correctly, and we don't have that 'cuz, again, our government is run by overpriced, overzealous ?business men? morons.

Well, there's assimilating and there's assimilating. I don't like a person to become a citizen but still give Mexico (or wherever) his first allegiance. That divides and weakens the country, and has been the problem with the Mexican flag-waving protests. But there's nothing wrong with a Mexican becoming an American citizen but still preferring Mexican culture, Mexican women, speaking Spanish, etc. just as long as the group isn't insular. In other words, there shouldn't be a problem with your brother marrying a white or black girl even if you yourself prefer Latin. America has traditionally been a melting pot - it's our biggest strength - and as Limos put it so well, if a group doesn't assimilate we're not real happy with it.

And I don't think anyone should be taught in another language - children should be transitioned to English as quickly as possible. Otherwise they are limited in opportunity, and the group stays insular. Separate language groups are almost always a problem - look at Georgia and South Ossetia, Canada and Quebec, Mexico and Chiapas for that matter. People who don't speak the same language historically have problems feeling they are one people.

Oh, and Alejandro is one of the coolest names ever. Those Greeks have such lyrical names.

Good talking with you.

And Pedro, there are dangerous places in the US too. Mexico's are larger, but that's largely because the drug cartels are fueled with money from American drug users.

 

[fulano]

And Pedro, there are dangerous places in the US too. Mexico's are larger, but that's largely because the drug cartels are fueled with money from American drug users.

That's actually why the cops with no heads started popping up. Someone made some druglord angry, I guess.

Well, there's assimilating and there's assimilating. I don't like a person to become a citizen but still give Mexico (or wherever) his first allegiance. That divides and weakens the country, and has been the problem with the Mexican flag-waving protests. But there's nothing wrong with a Mexican becoming an American citizen but still preferring Mexican culture, Mexican women, speaking Spanish, etc. just as long as the group isn't insular. In other words, there shouldn't be a problem with your brother marrying a white or black girl even if you yourself prefer Latin. America has traditionally been a melting pot - it's our biggest strength - and as Limos put it so well, if a group doesn't assimilate we're not real happy with it.

I don't want to get into anyone's bad side, but that mexican flagwaving protest was sort of an improvised "workstrike." Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favor of people doing squat and just getting into the country to raise some money and leech off of society, but you have to understand that while they are there no one is pointing a gun to your head to give them jobs. So far, in Arizona, there's even legislation working in the opposite direction, "If we find out that you are employing an illegal immigrant, you lose your bussiness(but I think they reprimend you first before actually putting you down)."

So, naturally, those people got pissed because they are doing menial jobs and feel mistreated. They rally to one particular ideology, and then the shit hits the fan.

Mexicans could pretty much argue that they insulate because they don't feel treated as equals, and everyone else could pretty much say that they don't treat them as equal because houw can they? they don't know them at all because they, well, insulate...

Now, I know it is a pretty fucking complicated conundrum since they shouldn't even be there in the first place, but then again, you shouldn't even be giving them jobs.

Things like these are why I'm happy I chose physics and not antropology as a career...

Also, I don't think you are using the term correctly, rather than assimilation, you seem to be speaking about annexation, which I think makes more sense. The U.S is a melting pot of cultures, but so far nobody seems prohibiting of displaying whatever tendency they have as long as they still play for the home team.

 

[werepossum]

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I don't want to get into anyone's bad side, but that mexican flagwaving protest was sort of an improvised "workstrike." Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favor of people doing squat and just getting into the country to raise some money and leech off of society, but you have to understand that while they are there no one is pointing a gun to your head to give them jobs. So far, in Arizona, there's even legislation working in the opposite direction, "If we find out that you are employing an illegal immigrant, you lose your bussiness(but I think they reprimend you first before actually putting you down)."

So, naturally, those people got pissed because they are doing menial jobs and feel mistreated. They rally to one particular ideology, and then the shit hits the fan.

Mexicans could pretty much argue that they insulate because they don't feel treated as equals, and everyone else could pretty much say that they don't treat them as equal because houw can they? they don't know them at all because they, well, insulate...

Now, I know it is a pretty fucking complicated conundrum since they shouldn't even be there in the first place, but then again, you shouldn't even be giving them jobs.

Things like these are why I'm happy I chose physics and not antropology as a career...

Also, I don't think you are using the term correctly, rather than assimilation, you seem to be speaking about annexation, which I think makes more sense. The U.S is a melting pot of cultures, but so far nobody seems prohibiting of displaying whatever tendency they have as long as they still play for the home team.

Yes, any business hiring illegals should be sanctioned, especially if they are mistreating them.

When I say assimilate, I just mean speak English as a first language, put America before your home country (you can still criticize it when you think it's wrong, of course, but it's still your country), and don't discriminate against other ethnic groups. Actually no legal Mexicans I know are insular, they are completely assimilated. They may prefer each others' company and they may speak Spanish in preference to English amongst themselves, but it's a free country - if they're proficient in English and self-sufficient, I don't care what they speak amongst themselves. I do care that their children learn in English, that goes back to proficiency and problems with nations that don't share a language.

And as a native-born Tennessean, I think I won't say anything bad about people with thick accents. LOL

 

[fulano]

Yes, any business hiring illegals should be sanctioned, especially if they are mistreating them.

When I say assimilate, I just mean speak English as a first language, put America before your home country (you can still criticize it when you think it's wrong, of course, but it's still your country), and don't discriminate against other ethnic groups. Actually no legal Mexicans I know are insular, they are completely assimilated. They may prefer each others' company and they may speak Spanish in preference to English amongst themselves, but it's a free country - if they're proficient in English and self-sufficient, I don't care what they speak amongst themselves. I do care that their children learn in English, that goes back to proficiency and problems with nations that don't share a language.

And as a native-born Tennessean, I think I won't say anything bad about people with thick accents. LOL

Yup. We agree on that.

 

[mrblackett]

May I congratulate and thank you and your people for tequila. It's, well, it's just bloody marvelous.

 

[LowLadyDeuce]

I've only ever met one person whom I know to be Mexican, and he's a wonderful young man and a very talented artist.
Mind you, I'm one of those folks who think borders really shouldn't be anything but an imaginary line, and ethnicity isn't important: manners are.

I hear the country is full of culture, which is always a plus.
Up here in Canada (Ontario), Mexico's reputation is a mixed one. Folks tell me poverty is a bigger problem than usual, down there, or it's the best place to party. Swinging from one extreme to the other, nobody seems to say "Eh, it's a country. Good stuff, bad stuff. Same as anywhere else."

 

[Lazzi]

Mexican are a conplex issue were i live (miami). Alot of the first generation cuban americans do have some amimosity toward mexicans. Basicly most cubans (excluding me) dislike them because they picture them as the lowest common dinominater of hispanics, then there the fact that alot of them resent the fact that the sterio typical hispanic is now pictured as mexican (out side of fouth florida).

Now im aware it does seem harsh you do need to under stand that while cuabns are hispanic were not exactly like any other hispanic group. Cubans arnt hispanics by physical genetic traits but rather only by the language we speak, our history, and our food. Other wise we look rather un-hispanic and even when do do sepak spanish its rather different from hwo other country speak it (get a cuban, venesulen and mexican in one room, make them speak in spanish and you will get a plethroa of misstranslation).

Now I no I sound like an out right racist but Im only informing you of what a sizeable chunk of cuban people think (Except for this oneD).

 

[DARKLARK]

im actually part mexican but im totally white and i dont reallly like the bunch,being that they broke into my garage and stole my parents car and all of my baby sisters toys and car seat that were inside. Fortunately the car had low-jack.