Thoughts On Controversial Subjects

[Zydrate]

3) Drugs
I used to be a zealot with anti-intoxication, but I keep remembering this guy I knew in High School. He smoked pot (Or "did" pot, I don't know anything about this stuff) but what was one of the smartest kids in that school. Finished tests early, aced them, and was just intelligent all-around.
Considering drugs are usually called depressants, and I was told a couple times that Pot makes you forget things (Specifically, the time spent while high on it)... With all of that, I realize drugs effect everyone differently and as long as it's handled by adults, I don't mind whichever end of the spectrum they fall under; illegal or legal.

Well, no. Drugs aren't called depressants.
Depressants [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depressant] are a specific class of drugs.

Alcohol, for example, is a depressant. Cannabis is sort of. Depends on who you ask, I figure.

And forgetting what you do while under the influence is hardly unique to cannabis. *cough*Alcohol*cough*.
And as with alcohol, the memory loss effect only occurs to a significant degree after a relatively large intake of the drug. That is to say: you have to be pretty stoned to not remember what you did the next day.

Hey fair enough. Admittedly it's also not a subject I'm terribly versed on and won't claim as such.

I only know what I saw; A druggie student who took it like a champ and came out on top.

 

[OmniscientOstrich]

I wouldn't touch 4chan with a 40ft pole, though I concede I've had very little experience with it. As for Anonymous, I find it hard to form an opinion on an organisation for whom literally anyone can speak on their behalf. With regard to Feminism I support the basic principle behind it; i.e. bringing gender equality into fruition, though I might not necessarily agree with certain people on what measures need to be taken to achive this, or what constitutes misogyny (and perpetuation of same)/oppression and staunchly oppose the more radical proponents of the movement. For example, misandrists nutjobs like Andrea Dworkin are only part of the problem and serve to denigrate the public perception of Feminism. I agree with Jonlow's opinion pertaining to drugs, I'm in favour of Euthanasia, gay marriage and...really I'm finding it hard to nail down anything specific as I'm rather socially libertarian and really don't care what people are doing as long as they aren't causing any harm.

I do not support anything to do with a theocracy

I agree, though I wouldn't really call that a controversial opinion, I would imagine (or hope at least =/) that most people in Western society would be averse to this.

 

[Zydrate]

Considering drugs are usually called depressants, and I was told a couple times that Pot makes you forget things (Specifically, the time spent while high on it)... With all of that, I realize drugs effect everyone differently and as long as it's handled by adults, I don't mind whichever end of the spectrum they fall under; illegal or legal.

Drugs are not usually called depressants, that's just 1 type of them.

You get uppers (caffeine) and downers (alcohol). I don't know if you think this but people don't say they are depressants because they think they make you depressed.

Uh, no. I don't think depressant = depression. A Depressant is just, as you said, a "downer". It doesn't make you "sad", it just makes you feel a bit low.

Er, that's how I understand it anyway.

Also, someone already covered this a couple replies ago.

 

[iAmNothing]

I feel I should post my own views as a little insight into the not so complex workings of my simple mind

Legalize marijuana: tax it as you wish, take it as you wish, make up some nice drug 'n' drive laws like with alcohol, watch everyone pay a lot of money so that they can make themselves feel like they've got a mild case of the flu

Whilst we have marijuana legalized, we may as well get some other softcore drugs legal, maybe mephadrone.

Let the feminists, homosexuals, ethnicities, religious types and any other groups that feels oppressed say their bit then elect some representatives of each group to come and join their countries democracies, then they can try and make everything fair for their groups. If these oppressed groups happen to live in non democratic countries then they should either suck it up because they're not gonna get change or they should seek asylum anywhere that will let them

 

[Jacques le Page]

im interested in why people are against muti-culturisum...
if you have difrent people living together then culture is going to have to addapt to suport as many sides of the culture as it can
can you show me a negive example of multi-cultureisum?

also im anti death penalty because is you give death as a punishment then why dont you just make murder in vengagce legal? (eg whats the difrece between the government killing your brothers murder and you killing him yourself?)

 

[Jonluw]

Well, no. Drugs aren't called depressants.
Depressants [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depressant] are a specific class of drugs.

Alcohol, for example, is a depressant. Cannabis is sort of. Depends on who you ask, I figure.

And forgetting what you do while under the influence is hardly unique to cannabis. *cough*Alcohol*cough*.
And as with alcohol, the memory loss effect only occurs to a significant degree after a relatively large intake of the drug. That is to say: you have to be pretty stoned to not remember what you did the next day.

Hey fair enough. Admittedly it's also not a subject I'm terribly versed on and won't claim as such.

I only know what I saw; A druggie student who took it like a champ and came out on top.

Indeed.
It's the same as with alcohol, really.
If you aren't abusing them, soft drugs shouldn't really affect your performance socially and/or academically.
It's all about keeping the use recreational.

Granted, to quote George Carlin, hallucinogens tend to be value changers. That is, they may change the way you view certain things. They have a tendency to let you see things differently, and may give a certain "wow, why have I not realized this before" effect.

So I guess you could say any drug affects your social performance to some degree. That's not to say they're bad. Hell, alcohol has helped me have a somewhat normal social life and be comfortable around others in a party setting.
The benefit of drugs like cannabis though, is that they don't impede your judgement like alcohol does. I've done stupid things with the help of alcohol that cannabis would never make one do.

 

[Zydrate]

Considering drugs are usually called depressants, and I was told a couple times that Pot makes you forget things (Specifically, the time spent while high on it)... With all of that, I realize drugs effect everyone differently and as long as it's handled by adults, I don't mind whichever end of the spectrum they fall under; illegal or legal.

Drugs are not usually called depressants, that's just 1 type of them.

You get uppers (caffeine) and downers (alcohol). I don't know if you think this but people don't say they are depressants because they think they make you depressed.

Uh, no. I don't think depressant = depression. A Depressant is just, as you said, a "downer". It doesn't make you "sad", it just makes you feel a bit low.

Er, that's how I understand it anyway.

Also, someone already covered this a couple replies ago.

That's ok, looking at your "1 guy was fine on pot so all drugs are fine" attitude I wondered what your thoughts were.

Don't just think because weed is relatively harmless that we should all go out and do speedballs and take heroin to the eye.

Uh, wow. Excuse me? Since when did I say "1 guy was fine on pot so all drugs are fine"?
I also don't see where I said "It's okay for everyone to do speedballs and heroin"

Yes, I saw one kid did well with it. That simply led me to my conclusion that it's not as EVIL as the media and apparently, you, make it out to be.

 

[DeadFOAM]

I had a wall-o-text typed out, but then I was too shy to press the post button. Damn my anxiety and apprehension.

Edit: Started typing when there were only a half dozen responses. Look where it ended up.

4chan: occasionally funny, but mostly crap.
Anonymous: Agreeable motives, questionable actions recently
Cannibis: Legalize it, tax it, treat it similar to alcohol.
Third Wave Feminism: Not familiar enough to comment.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

What are your thoughts on Cannabis Control or other drug abuse issues?

What are your thoughts on Third Wave Feminism?

Marijuana is provably less damaging to the human body than alcohol or tobacco. Marijuana is less likely than any other drug (including caffeine) to causes actions that are dangerous to the individuals or others. Marijuana was only made illegal in the first place because the Cotton lobby wanted to make Hemp products illegal, to gain a monopoly. The only reason that marijuana is a "gateway drug" is because it is illegal - if you are already breaking the law for one thing, why not for another? If marijuana were legal, it would no longer act as a gateway. And, finally, unlikely alcohol or tobacco, marijuana is provably useful to the medical community - it treats several of the more deadly side-effects from cancer and cancer's treatments.

So there is absolutely no reason for Marijuana to be illegal.

As for Third Wave Feminism - I am a third-wave feminist. It's one reason why I'm so outspoken about sexuality. I seek to reclaim words like *****, ****, and slut, and I see nothing wrong with pornography when drugs or financial exploitation are not involved. Furthermore, I love sex and seek to do away with sexual censorship and American prudishness through actions and my writing.

BTW - when people talk about feminism being bad, they're almost always talking about Second Wave. If you actually do your research, those are the people who say insane things like "all sex is rape." Second wave sucks ass.

Edit: Having read the rest of the thread - I am shocked by how little people know about Third Wave Feminism!

No wonder people are always like "Feminists suck!" - you guys have no idea what modern feminism (third wave) stands for.

Here's the link. Read up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-wave_feminism

 

[Jonluw]

im interested in why people are against muti-culturisum...

There's a long thread on it on the religion and politics board if you want to know what people think of the concept.

And welcome to the escapsist.
Remember to read the Code of conduct, lest your stay be short and uncomfortable.
And stay out of the basement. It's generally uncomfortable there.

Lastly, for your initiation, please click this button:

 

[Jonluw]

And, finally, unlikely alcohol or tobacco, marijuana is provably useful to the medical community

Hey now! Alcohol's handy for emergency treatment of methanol poisoning.
[sub]Although methanol poisoning wouldn't be a problem if it wasn't for alcohol.[/sub]

Yeah, that's pretty much all I've got in defence of it.

It's one reason why I'm so outspoken about sexuality. I seek to reclaim words like *****, ****, and slut, and I see nothing wrong with pornography when drugs or financial exploitation are not involved. Furthermore, I love sex and seek to do away with sexual censorship and American prudishness through actions and my writing.

Wait, what? I haven't gotten that impression from you at all!
I thought you were all puritan and prudish

 

[Zydrate]

I'm just saying you seem impressionable.

"Drugs are evillllllllllll"

"Oh look, weed isn't that bad"

I'm just saying this, try to educate yourself before you go full on 1 side of the pendulum. I think they should be legalised but it should be taken in steps as some of them are extremely damaging and we shouldn't charge head first into the legalise brigade just because some of the stats are bullshit.

I don't claim to know everything. Only going by what I saw.
A thing I've tried to portray but you, for whatever reason, have rooted your thoughts about me so I'm just going to move on.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

And, finally, unlikely alcohol or tobacco, marijuana is provably useful to the medical community

Hey now! Alcohol's handy for emergency treatment of methanol poisoning.
[sub]Although methanol poisoning wouldn't be a problem if it wasn't for alcohol.[/sub]
Yeah, that's pretty much all I've got in defence of it.

Ah, you're right.

Actually, some methanol poisoning comes from suicide attempts - people drinking copy-toner fluid to kill themselves. Or that might be a different -thanol, I can't remember. Either way, alcohol treats it. So yes, alcohol does have one (rarely needed) medical use. Compare that to the thousands of people with cancer (not to mention dozens of other uses) who could have many of their sometimes-fatal chemo side-effects 'cured'.

And anyway, I like alcohol. I don't want it prohibited. I also believe that tobacco should remain legal. I don't want anyone smoking it near me, but I have no problem with people smoking in their own homes, and I don't like the way smokers are demonized.

I'm just saying that if those are legal, then marijuana should certainly be legal as well. Marijuana is actually useful. Alcohol (other than methanol poisoning) is not useful.

 

[Morti]

How would you solve that? That's confusing to me.
Was trying to think of it myself. Do you think it is the right of a man to demand the lady get an abortion? Just wondering.

Well it's the woman's right to choose whether not to be a mother, but it's very hypocritical to be fighting for that right and at the same time look down upon men who don't want to be a father. In fact, while it's legal in most places to have an abortion, it is also law that if you impregnate a woman and she desires your involvement, you HAVE to be a father.

It stems from outdated ideology that if a woman is impregnated, she will without a doubt have a baby. Men were expected to help support that child whether they wanted it or not. After all, shit happens, the woman didn't choose to have the baby either, it's unfair that she has to support it all on her own when you were involved in it's creation.

However, these days, it is only an aspect of morality that is being challenged, in most places it is the legal right of women to have an abortion, it is now her choice. So now instead of both parties equally having no say in the matter, it is solely the decision of the woman whether she will allow a pregnancy to be carried out. Now that it is her decision, it is unfair to expect men to financially support this decision if they had no say in the matter but she did.

They fight for a morality debate while men are legally oppressed by the very same rights they enjoy today. Simplest solution, child support should not be law, it should be a moral decision made by men.

EDIT:

Well, actually child support should still be law under certain circumstances. Like if you were married, had a kid and then separated. Though it would be trickier to determine similar scenarios involving unmarried couples.

I would say give the man the same time frame as the woman to decide whether or not he wants the kid (ie. when abortion is no longer legal, ... the third trimester is it..?). If he registers his stance through I notable authority and she is made aware, then he is under no financial obligation should she continue the pregnancy.

On the flip side though (he wants, she doesn't), I do think that we still need to side with the womans wishes as he's not the one who would have a parasite growing inside him for nine months before being violently and painfully ejected.* Obviously this could be repealed once artificial wombs are invented... or maybe a willing surrogate...?


Anyway, as to the original question:
4Chan: what can I say, sometimes I feel a little deviant
Anonymous: At least they're generating press... I just worry if it will have the desired effect
Drugs: Legalise, regulate, educate and TAX TAX TAX. What grown adults does to their own bodies is noones besiness but their own.
3W Feminism: After a cursory glances at wikipedia, seems fine to me, can't have too much equality.

 

[Worgen]

Aren't women who get abortions called harlots and whores and murderers by the right wing wackos that tend to congregate around those places?

Most civilized people tend to hate those wackos and completely disregard their opinions. If Adolf Hitler called you a whore, would you really feel like his opinion meant anything?

That doesn't mean that if a women is facing a tough choice and/or is in a delicate state that those words don't not hurt.

 

[Jonluw]

And, finally, unlikely alcohol or tobacco, marijuana is provably useful to the medical community

Hey now! Alcohol's handy for emergency treatment of methanol poisoning.
[sub]Although methanol poisoning wouldn't be a problem if it wasn't for alcohol.[/sub]
Yeah, that's pretty much all I've got in defence of it.

Ah, you're right.

Actually, some methanol poisoning comes from suicide attempts - people drinking copy-toner fluid to kill themselves. Or that might be a different -thanol, I can't remember. Either way, alcohol treats it. So yes, alcohol does have one (rarely needed) medical use. Compare that to the thousands of people with cancer (not to mention dozens of other uses) who could have many of their sometimes-fatal chemo side-effects 'cured'.

That...
Sounds like the worst method of suicide ever conceived.
What with the blindness and everything.

And anyway, I like alcohol. I don't want it prohibited. I also believe that tobacco should remain legal. I don't want anyone smoking it near me, but I have no problem with people smoking in their own homes, and I don't like the way smokers are demonized.

And besides: What would people cut the weed with if tobacco was outlawed?

I'm just saying that if those are legal, then marijuana should certainly be legal as well. Marijuana is actually useful. Alcohol (other than methanol poisoning) is not useful.

Certainly.
I normally take more of a "personal freedom to put whatever I like in my body" and "this drug is no worse than the ones already legal" angle, rather than coming with the medical marijuana argument. It's not that I don't think medical marijuana is a great thing, but I would like to be honest in my debates that, yes, the main reason I'd like cannabis to be legal is that I would like to be able to get high without having to break the law.

Oh, I just remembered: Alcohol's pretty decent at disinfecting as well.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

Certainly.
I normally take more of a "personal freedom to put whatever I like in my body" and "this drug is no worse than the ones already legal" angle, rather than coming with the medical marijuana argument. It's not that I don't think medical marijuana is a great thing, but I would like to be honest in my debates that, yes, the main reason I'd like cannabis to be legal is that I would like to be able to get high without having to break the law.

Oh, I just remembered: Alcohol's pretty decent at disinfecting as well.

True, but the kinds of alcohol that will kill you (if drunk) are better at disinfecting.

As to medical vs getting high - one doesn't negate the other. Marijuana is the BEST drug for treating nausea ever discovered.

So, if it were legal, I could get some to make fun brownies out of (always wanted to try that, but too scared of the cops to try it while marijuana remains illegal). Then, if several weeks later I got the flu and was nauseated, I could self-medicate with the marijuana and prevent unpleasant puking.

Anywho... Hermes_legalize_it.jpg

 

[Jonluw]

Certainly.
I normally take more of a "personal freedom to put whatever I like in my body" and "this drug is no worse than the ones already legal" angle, rather than coming with the medical marijuana argument. It's not that I don't think medical marijuana is a great thing, but I would like to be honest in my debates that, yes, the main reason I'd like cannabis to be legal is that I would like to be able to get high without having to break the law.

Oh, I just remembered: Alcohol's pretty decent at disinfecting as well.

True, but the kinds of alcohol that will kill you (if drunk) are better at disinfecting.

Psssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhh.
Technicalities...

As to medical vs getting high - one doesn't negate the other. Marijuana is the BEST drug for treating nausea ever discovered.

Of course.
I just meant that my main argument is the whole "freedom" thing, while medical use is more of a bullet point. It's a good argument, but not the foundation of my stance, is what I'm saying.

So, if it were legal, I could get some to make fun brownies out of (always wanted to try that, but too scared of the cops to try it while marijuana remains illegal). Then, if several weeks later I got the flu and was nauseated, I could self-medicate with the marijuana and prevent unpleasant puking.

For me, the main reason I want it to be sold in legitimate stores (rather than on the black market) is that I want the supplies of any drug to be clean and of good quality, so that users don't get themselves into more trouble than they applied for.
Plus it would kill the black market, reduce the related crime, and potentially bring in heaps of tax money (or at the very least save us the expenses that go to the current war on drugs).

It's pretty clear to me that pretty much everyone who's educated themselves on the matter in an unbiased manner are in favour of legalization. The whole situation is really just quite silly at this point.

 

[Rylingo]

I'm curious as to what your guys thoughts on controversial subjects are. What do you think of 4chan, and by extension, Anonymous?

4chan is a weird and occasionally fun forum.
Anonymous do both good and bad. Then tend to do more good things in my opinion.

What are your thoughts on Cannabis Control or other drug abuse issues?

I think each drug needs to be looked at seperately. Cannabis needs to be legalised. So many use it that it is now just like alcohol and cigarettes.
I think other drug related crimes need to be given far smaller sentences and with the room created in jails, violent crimes can get longer sentences.
Also america needs to legalise alcohol at 18 but increase the punishments for drink driving. Its a little too lenient over there. A 1 pint limit is important. Also get some of the good meaty drink driving adverts were kiddies get broken into pieces by drunk drivers. Attitudes change quicker when someone gets a glimpse of little Timmys head shattering like an egg.

What are your thoughts on Third Wave Feminism?

I don't understand what that is. I tihnk feminism is needed far more in the middle eastern and african nations right now. Thats were the serious problems lie. We only really need equalism here since both men and women have issues of relatively similar magnitude.

 

[Robert Ewing]

I support homosexual marriages

You know things are incredibly fucked up when believing in equal rights for consenting, loving adults is a controversial opinion.

I'm not aiming that at you by the way, just in general.

I think homophobia is a religious prejudice that is only there because some controlling old men said it was against god 2000 years ago.

Before religion surfaced, homosexuality was common place in places like Rome, Greece, Persia, Egypt, Timbuktu, whatever.. Homosexuality is as natural as heterosexuality, and musn't be contained.

So yeah, I think homophobia is stupid.