Thoughts on the new Hulk?

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CaptainMarvelous

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So... I've been a little baffled by this, does everyone know about the new Hulk that's starting post-Secret-Wars? Because I've seen barely anything about it and that's kind of surprising. When Thor first got swapped out into FosterThor, that news was everywhere. Seriously, there were loads of threads about it on here and there were ones dedicated to Bendis clumsily bi-erasing Iceman but the new Hulk doesn't warrant it?

I ask because both those stories were praised for adding diversity, and while they do I do also think they were done pretty badly in both cases. But I think I'm liable to like the Hulk one because it has a mile of precedence (which was duly ignored in the Thor case, once more being frustrated by that).

The new character taking over does add diversity (and this is now where we have the fun 'name a mainstream comic character who's of East Asian descent besides Glen from Walking Dead' game, which is surprisingly difficult) but it's also using one that's been established in the comics for years and who kind of fits the narrative well. Plus, we're getting Maestro ongoing so it'll be nice to see a different thinking Hulk try to outwit that.

So... yeah, I think that if 'diversity in comics' warrants a response, the new Hulk ought to as well. Am I wrong? Is this not a newsworthy change in the status quo? Is race in comics no longer as important as gender? Are these all suitably hyperbolic and inflammatory to prompt a response?

RESPONSES AHOY!

(also Legend of Zelda: A Link to A Source in case anyone needs it
http://www.newsarama.com/25787-totally-awesome-hulk-s-identity-revealed.html)
 

DrownedAmmet

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Either people are finally done overreacting to comic book race-swapping, or its not too big of a shock for an intelligent doctor character to be Asian
 

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DrownedAmmet said:
Either people are finally done overreacting to comic book race-swapping, or its not too big of a shock for an intelligent doctor character to be Asian
But, this isn't race-swapping in the first place. Banner is still white, Cho has always been Asian.
This is hero-swapping, which is far from new in comics.
 

FalloutJack

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Let me ask an honest question here: Does anything about the Hulk that isn't green and violent ever really matter?
 

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FalloutJack said:
Let me ask an honest question here: Does anything about the Hulk that isn't green and violent ever really matter?
Depends on your view of comics, I guess. Quite a lot of writers (Peter David in particular) have examined how Banner/Hulk's dichotomy affects things with details like Banner's father beating him and the potential for Hulk and Banner to become twisted and evil over time, or even just how Banner would be unable to die because Hulk doesn't want to.

It's kinda like, does anything about Batman save that he's rich and fights crime matter? Not really but most interesting stories will work with more than that.

Or like, does anything about Geralt matter save that he kills monsters?
 

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Well... I kind of have a problem here. But it doesn't really have anything to do with the lack of Banner...

Captcha: Fuck you, captcha, Darkness is math is I fucking say it is, you robot.
 

Souplex

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*Looks up* So secret wars is finally completely done?
I can go back to caring about Marvel?!
 

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FalloutJack said:
Let me ask an honest question here: Does anything about the Hulk that isn't green and violent ever really matter?
Does Spider-Man's skin colour? Or whether Thor stands or sits when peeing?
 

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Souplex said:
*Looks up* So secret wars is finally completely done?
I can go back to caring about Marvel?!
Probably not. Have comics even been good in the last few years at all?

And I wouldn't call this "race-swapping." That implies it's supposedly the same character who had his race changed. This isn't that, as the Hulk himself hasn't ever really been a character, just an extension of Banner's character. Now he'll be an extension of this guy's character. I can still see why some would be mad at that, but I'm not a big Marvel guy so I'm not.

Race-swapping is basically happened to Wally West in DC comics, and THAT I am EXTREMELY pissed about. I'll never get over this. It's not because he's been made half-black, it's just there's no POINT to it. He's literally unrecognizable as Wally West, with a new backstory, none of the history, parental abandonment (way to play on stereotypes, DC), none of the personality... His name could have been Roger Rogerson and it wouldn't have made any difference. DC comics gutted my favorite superhero, and that's on top of everything else fucking terrible about the new 52.
 

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So does this explain why when I click to Bruce Banner on Marvel wiki he's title is Doc Green and not The Incredible Hulk? I take it this guy is taking that name and Banner is doing something else.

Honestly, if they do it well from a writing aspect, I don't mind as much. Once I buy what I really want, I will be purchasing the new Thor comics. But I won't pretend I don't find it lazy and using old famous heroes to force popular, diverse characters. Now just to see what they do to Iron Man in his new series.
 

Phil the Nervous

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What's with this new hulk talk? Last time I checked Marvel has at least five hulks on hand.

Green Hulk, She-Hulk, Red Hulk, Red She-Hulk, Ross Red Hulk, Kluh (no, I'm not kidding), Lyra...
Plus there's the time where literally every person Fury could get his hands on was given hulk serum to go punch Greg or Arno or something. Ultimates was weird.

New Hulks happen all the time.
 

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An unwritten reality of comic news is not all things are given the same press. Hell, anything that does get press has probably been done elsewhere many times over. Big press when they retcon Iceman to gay, but no love when it's one of Power Pack, a B-lister new mutant, or new characters. Ultimate Spider-Man black? Lots of fuss. Wasp Asian, vision female android, and Colssus gay, no fuss.

Hulk's status quo has been in flux more than most since the 80s, and after red hulk and a-bomb, it's almost eye rolling at this point to hulk out another supporting cast member.
 

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Can anyone enlighten me on what happened? I been out of the comic loop since Secret Wars had happened.

So Amadeus Cho got some angry issues now? What happened to Banner? Is he cure of the rage or still have it?
 

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Scarim Coral said:
Can anyone enlighten me on what happened? I been out of the comic loop since Secret Wars had happened.

So Amadeus Cho got some angry issues now? What happened to Banner? Is he cure of the rage or still have it?
According to Wikipedia, this is happening in a separate Universe (Secret Wars). Essentially, he's Banner's assistant prior to Banner's gamma exposure in the 'Real' timeline. The Gamma bomb is stolen, and Amadeus is the one who is near it when it goes off.

Whether this means the 'New' Hulk is simply a super limited time thing, or if somehow he comes to co-exist with the 'real' Universe Hulk, I have no idea.
 

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Well... I kind of have a problem here. But it doesn't really have anything to do with the lack of Banner...

Captcha: Fuck you, captcha, Darkness is math is I fucking say it is, you robot.
What the fuck is wrong with his face? Hulk's not supposed to smile, goddammit! He looks like an overgrown car salesman.
 

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bartholen said:
AccursedTheory said:

Well... I kind of have a problem here. But it doesn't really have anything to do with the lack of Banner...

Captcha: Fuck you, captcha, Darkness is math is I fucking say it is, you robot.
What the fuck is wrong with his face? Hulk's not supposed to smile, goddammit! He looks like an overgrown car salesman.
That smug face makes it look like he's about to convince your barely legal sister into making a bad decision.
 

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AccursedTheory said:
bartholen said:
AccursedTheory said:

Well... I kind of have a problem here. But it doesn't really have anything to do with the lack of Banner...

Captcha: Fuck you, captcha, Darkness is math is I fucking say it is, you robot.
What the fuck is wrong with his face? Hulk's not supposed to smile, goddammit! He looks like an overgrown car salesman.
That smug face makes it look like he's about to convince your barely legal sister into making a bad decision.
I'm not a Hulk fan, but my understanding is the crux of the character is "I'm a million times smarter than you and I damn well know it."
 

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I'm less disappointed by the new Hulk than I am by the fact they have to keep pulling these stunts to keep their characters interesting.