To the people saying that Live could be breached like Sony.

[RoBi3.0]

Not a Sony fangirl, not a 360 fangirl, anything can get hacked, period. I've had my identity stolen, but it had squat to do with any gaming account.

Anything can get hacked, this is theoretically true but that isn't to say that hacking one is just as likely to happen as hacking the other.

http://www.industrygamers.com/news/playstation-network-disaster-key-parts-had-no-firewall-installed/

If you had paid closer attention to that specific story. You would know that the information given by Dr. Gene Spafford, was hearsay and nothing other then he read it on an e-mail mail list. Spafford did not and currently does not have any first hand knowledge of how Sony's system was set up.

That is hardly enough information to go around posting it as fact.

 

[artanis_neravar]

This wouldn't happen. Not now. Not ever. The vast difference between Sony's resources and Microsoft's is one reason. There is also the fact that Live is a subsidiary of Microsoft. Microsoft, you know one of the largest corporations on Earth owned by the second richest man in the world that you would have to be brain dead to take on or try to hack. Theres also the fact that people knew that Sony's servers were insecure. You hear all these people saying they knew they were insecure, but you don't hear that about Live. And another reason is that the hated "You have to pay" feature makes it where their are a lot of people dedicated to it and gives it a higher priority within Microsoft than the PS3 has in Sony, because the Xbox and it's services ae a money maker unlike the PS3 which is still losing money on its consoles.

tl;dr Live wont be hacked

Now I wait, because this site has many more PS3 fanboys than Xbox.

Challenge Accepted!!!!



[sub][sub][sub]not intended to be a factual statement[/sub][/sub][/sub]

 

[burningdragoon]

Anything can be hacked.

Boom. Answer. Thread should end here, but it won't. So... carry on everyone.

 

[artanis_neravar]

General Custard
Napoleon
The Titanic
The Third Reich

Really I could go on and on. My point is that history is full of people and things that were supposedly unstoppable. People who were subsequently proven wrong. The only lesson we can glean for all of this is that regardless either through shitty luck or pissing off enough of the right people or a combination off both, you will eventually go down.

I think the most telling thing of all is how Microsoft isn't running it's mouth off. I have yet to read a press release from them stating that this could never happen to them. You know why that is? Its cause they aren't stupid they understand the gravity of the situation and the long lasting effect it will have on the industry as a whole.

No one is coming out of this unscathed.

"The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair."
"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools."

 

[lacktheknack]

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And my last point will be that you have horrible grammar. A bad thing when trying to sound serious.

It should be a semi colon, not a full stop; it doesn't currently make grammatical sense. Ouch...

I laughed. Sentence fragments hurt even the best of 'em...

 

[Ghengis John]

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There was of course a huge difference in the scale of the damage and the speed of the response. The difference being the MS security division actually appears competent and diligent while offering disclosure and managing to protect personal information.

Again I offer their counterparts at Sony for comparison, who allowed a hacker access to their network for three days then waited nine to let us know anything about it and who ran their network as such:
http://www.industrygamers.com/news/playstation-network-disaster-key-parts-had-no-firewall-installed/

Even the most flamboyant fanboy has to admit, that's pathetic.

 

[spartan231490]

Anything can be hacked.

Yes, Sony were idiots, but even if they had protected themselves, they could have been hacked.

Probably not as easily and fast, but they could still have been hacked.

There is no such thing as a foolproof system.

Yes anything can be hacked. the OP's point is that live isn't worth the effort because it's security is good enough to make the hacking difficult and dangerous.
Anyone can also be assassinated if you put enough effort into it. That doesn't mean the the Secret Service is useless. they make it hard enough that almost no one is going to try and even fewer will succeed.

 

[RoBi3.0]

General Custard
Napoleon
The Titanic
The Third Reich

Really I could go on and on. My point is that history is full of people and things that were supposedly unstoppable. People who were subsequently proven wrong. The only lesson we can glean for all of this is that regardless either through shitty luck or pissing off enough of the right people or a combination off both, you will eventually go down.

I think the most telling thing of all is how Microsoft isn't running it's mouth off. I have yet to read a press release from them stating that this could never happen to them. You know why that is? Its cause they aren't stupid they understand the gravity of the situation and the long lasting effect it will have on the industry as a whole.

No one is coming out of this unscathed.

"The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair."
"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools."

I like you.

 

[Azure-Supernova]

tl;dr Live wont be hacked.

Once [http://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/view/17086/xbox-live-policy-directors-account-hacked/]
Twice [http://playsquad.commongate.com/post/Xbox_Live_hacked_accounts_stolen/]

Just two examples thanks to Google. It's a simple fact there: nothing is 100% hack proof. Even precious Xbox Live with its gold plated servers.

 

[Sam Doctorman]

could happen but iam a xbox userer and have a freind that works on the servers
the are always making sure the are not extra files or people in there that shouldn't be.
could happen, but i think it would have to be a inside job

 

[etherlance]

Dude, I own a 360 myself and pray to Liberty Prime that what happened to Sony, doesn't happen to Microsoft too.

But The things that you are saying have no connection to microsoft. whether the 360 does/does not make more profit than the PS3 has no bearing on it's potential to be hacked or not.


No hacker in the world is going to wake up screaming in the night thinking:

"OH GOD......FOR A MOMENT I THOUGHT I ATTEMPTED TO HACK SONY!!!........oh.....oh thank goodness it was just a dream, no one in their right mind would hack the company of one of the worlds richest men".


P.S.
Anyone who is curious about the church of PRIMETOLOGY just send me a message and I'll fill you in about my newly created religion.

 

[Ghengis John]

Dr. Gene Spafford, was hearsay and nothing other then he read it on an e-mail mail list. Spafford did not and currently does not have any first hand knowledge of how Sony's system was set up..

Spoken like a true apologist. You seem to be equating a professional newsletter to a chain letter and for that matter, nobody has first hand knowledge because Sony has refused to testify before the subcommittee. We can only presume then that they would have been forced to either confirm this information, supply something similarly incriminating or purger themselves.

 

[Dr. Feelgood]

The thing I was trying to say is that Microsoft is a larger corporation by a pretty substantial margin and that there was still more money focused on security and Live in general than what is on the PSN.

no.

Sony is actually "bigger" than Microsoft, not the other way around.

According to Wikipedia:

Sony: Total assets ¥11.22 trillion / $137.694 billion (2010)
Microsoft: Total assets US$ 86.113 billion (2010)

Wouldn't Microsoft have more devoted to Xbox Live security though, as it's a big part of their profit? It makes sense to think they would protect one of their biggest assets better than a free service.

 

[RoBi3.0]

Dr. Gene Spafford, was hearsay and nothing other then he read it on an e-mail mail list. Spafford did not and currently does not have any first hand knowledge of how Sony's system was set up..

Spoken like a true apologist. You seem to be equating a professional newsletter to a chain letter and for that matter, nobody has first hand knowledge because Sony has refused to testify before the subcommittee. We can only presume then that they would have been forced to either confirm this information or purger themselves.

Professional newsletter or not there is no proof as of yet other then hay I read that some people that worked for Sony said the system was out dated. I am not say it wasn't it very well could have been exactly the case as far as I know. Third hand information is hardly a fact. Now if those individuals that Spafford was quoting want to step up and talk then that is another story.

And yes Sony didn't show put to the hearing. I don't know why. I personally would love to know why this happened and eventually all this will come to light. Until then I am not going to go around touting hearsay as fact.

 

[soapyshooter]

Y U SO MAD BRO?

Seriously, who even said Live could get hacked? Oh, not mention you are wrong by the way. Everything in the world that is connected to the internet can be hacked, its only a matter of time and someone's determination. The OP is baiting everyone

 

[Hgame]

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I would guess that Sony is a bigger company than Microsoft. You know they do more than games, they make appliances, TVs, sounds system ect.
Also saying that no one would hack Microsoft because it happens to be owned by Bill Gates makes no sense. Do you honestly think that hackers give a shit who owns a company they're hacking?

"because the Xbox and it's services ae a money maker unlike the PS3 which is still losing money on its consoles"
What year are you from anyway? Sony started churning a profit in early 2010. You know, A FUCKING YEAR AGO. Do you even follow gaming news?

And my last point will be that you have horrible grammar. A bad thing when trying to sound serious.

However microsoft is a software company, and so has a much, much bigger programming talent base with which to secure a system. Sony is a big company as well (though still quite a bit smaller than microsoft), but is a hardware company, and so has a far smaller talent base to draw upon.

 

[funguy2121]

This wouldn't happen. Not now. Not ever. (1)The vast difference between Sony's resources and Microsoft's is one reason. There is also the fact that Live is a subsidiary of Microsoft. Microsoft, you know one of the largest corporations on Earth owned by the second richest man in the world that (2)you would have to be brain dead to take on or try to hack. Theres also the fact that people knew that Sony's servers were insecure. (3)You hear all these people saying they knew they were insecure, but you don't hear that about Live. And another reason is that (4)the hated "You have to pay" feature makes it where their are a lot of people dedicated to it and gives it a higher priority within Microsoft than the PS3 has in Sony, because the Xbox and it's services ae a money maker unlike the PS3 which is still losing money on its consoles.

tl;dr Live wont be hacked

(5)Now I wait, because this site has many more PS3 fanboys than Xbox.

(1) Heh? You're aware that Sony is also one of the biggest corporations on Earth as well, right? I don't understand this argument.

(2) Have you ever heard of Microsoft Internet Explorer, or Microsoft Windows Vista? Apple may not have the moolah that Micro has, but Mac owners don't have the spyware, malware and virus concerns that every other computer-owning person has. Because it's better software.

(3) Conjecture, and conjecture. Neither has any merit on its own.

(4) More speculation. That it is a pay service has no real bearing on dedication; the people that prefer the cheaper system with the paid online have their own reasons for their choice, just as the people who prefer the more expensive system with the free online have theirs. You have no information that points to less dedication from Sony than from Microsoft in defending against hacking, other than the fact that Sony went down, which it did shortly after some of the most bad-ass guerilla hackers out there (Anon) swore to do exactly that.

(5) But you're proving yourself to be a Microsoft fanboy here. There's nothing wrong with that, I'm something of a ___ (cookies for the guess) fanboy myself, but like all fanboys, our enthusiasm can sometimes color our perspective. Microsoft is not infallible, and your saying that their online component is has no bearing on whether XBL will go down or not.

 

[Altorin]

This wouldn't happen. Not now. Not ever. The vast difference between Sony's resources and Microsoft's is one reason. There is also the fact that Live is a subsidiary of Microsoft. Microsoft, you know one of the largest corporations on Earth owned by the second richest man in the world that you would have to be brain dead to take on or try to hack. Theres also the fact that people knew that Sony's servers were insecure. You hear all these people saying they knew they were insecure, but you don't hear that about Live. And another reason is that the hated "You have to pay" feature makes it where their are a lot of people dedicated to it and gives it a higher priority within Microsoft than the PS3 has in Sony, because the Xbox and it's services ae a money maker unlike the PS3 which is still losing money on its consoles.

tl;dr Live wont be hacked

Now I wait, because this site has many more PS3 fanboys than Xbox.

First off, I'm not a PS3 fanboy. I don't own a PS3. I own a 360 and am more of a 360 fan then a PS3 fan.

1. Every system can be hacked. If the government can be hacked, then a corporation certainly can be.

2. Sony is also one of the largest corporations on earth. It is to hardware and new hardware designs what Microsoft is to software.

3. Bill Gates doesn't own Microsoft anymore. He's a major shareholder, but he hasn't had anything to do with microsoft professionally for a long time. Even so, the penalties for hacking Microsoft would be the same as the penalties for hacking Sony.

4. You're probably right about Live's payment plan allowing more people to work on Live and keep eyes out for security issues. So that's one point in your favor.

All in all, I think Microsoft is better to its customers then Sony. That's the whole reason this debacle happened apparently. Even if Anonymous wasn't behind Sony's breach (they were, Anonymous is hardly a thing, it's a mask almost anyone can wear, that's the point.), They HAVE been doing DDoS attacks against them for months because of their policies.

That's why Live is less likely to get hacked.

 

[Amberella]

tl;dr Live wont be hacked.

Once [http://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/view/17086/xbox-live-policy-directors-account-hacked/]
Twice [http://playsquad.commongate.com/post/Xbox_Live_hacked_accounts_stolen/]

Just two examples thanks to Google. It's a simple fact there nothing is 100% hack proof. Even precious Xbox Live with its gold plated servers.

Was waiting for you to say something, dear. <3

And nothing is foolproof, that's my opinion.

 

[KiraTaureLor]

Don't mean to offend anyone, but it's the xbox fanboys that are putting the idea of hacking LIVE into the mind of the hackers by belting out that it can never be hacked, and that it's much better the psn, and blah blah blah...

FYI. this topic is trending pretty fast, and it might catch the attention of capable hackers.