Today's Piracy report
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There is always a thread on the first page about piracy. There's only so much you can say, and I'm sick of seeing so many people trying to justify something that is not only illegal but quite obviously wrong. I'm fairly certain that if I started a thread every week that attempts to justify physical assault some of you might get a little annoyed.Gindil said:
I like solution of the iTunes link in the bottom.
That should be standard procedure: if you acknoledge you (1)don't own this work, (2)aren't making any money off this work, and (3)recommend people go out an buy the original work
... then there should be no grounds for a Cease and Desist Order.
I mean, Chrono Trigger is available on the Nintendo DS they could recommend they go out an buy that though many don't have a DS and only want to play CT on their PC. I don't get why Square-Enix is coming down so hard on PC ROM versions, unless if they actually sold a PC port of the game. What is stopping them? Does Nintendo partially own the Chrono Trigger IP and won't allow it to be released on anything but Nintendo? Apparently not with the (broken) PS1 port.
Come of SE, you've released games on PC before. Why not release a PC port of Chrono Trigger? Make it lightweight so it works on even netbooks. Hell, they could make an ad funded browser based version.
That should be standard procedure: if you acknoledge you (1)don't own this work, (2)aren't making any money off this work, and (3)recommend people go out an buy the original work
... then there should be no grounds for a Cease and Desist Order.
I mean, Chrono Trigger is available on the Nintendo DS they could recommend they go out an buy that though many don't have a DS and only want to play CT on their PC. I don't get why Square-Enix is coming down so hard on PC ROM versions, unless if they actually sold a PC port of the game. What is stopping them? Does Nintendo partially own the Chrono Trigger IP and won't allow it to be released on anything but Nintendo? Apparently not with the (broken) PS1 port.
Come of SE, you've released games on PC before. Why not release a PC port of Chrono Trigger? Make it lightweight so it works on even netbooks. Hell, they could make an ad funded browser based version.
The point to your post was to tell me that my post had no point. I explained my post.Gindil said:
I know all you kids think piracy is just awful and bemoan the sad state of the gaming industry... and link the two.
But let me tell you something, the gaming industry and piracy were both doing just fine... up until around the time the xbawks 360 came out. That's right, it wasn't piracy and the imaginary dollars that lost in some suit's wet dream that made everything go to shit.
But let me tell you something, the gaming industry and piracy were both doing just fine... up until around the time the xbawks 360 came out. That's right, it wasn't piracy and the imaginary dollars that lost in some suit's wet dream that made everything go to shit.
Today is a look at a few games I thought might be great to view.
First is Cave Story:
It's available on the Wii, but you can still get it on the PC for the low, low price of free. This is a game I actually like and it's amazing how the Wii version came about because of the dedication of Pixel's fans.
Piracy has affected this game in a great way. People shared it to the point that everyone and their mother knows about Cave Story be it the music, the gameplay, etc.
Pixel got inspiration from Metroid among other games, but the game plays like nothing people have ever seen. You have a variety of weapons, various ways to play, and a story that adapts organically to the choices you make.
Then, people have taken that and put the game on the Wii with Pixel included. The most awesome thing? Not one person sued.
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Next is probably the one game everyone knows quite well. I don't know how popular the original material is but if I were to show this:
EVERYONE knows the game I'm discussing.
If you don't know this:
Go. Play. NOW!
Or just start here and pray for your sanity and that of the people playing:
First is Cave Story:
It's available on the Wii, but you can still get it on the PC for the low, low price of free. This is a game I actually like and it's amazing how the Wii version came about because of the dedication of Pixel's fans.
Piracy has affected this game in a great way. People shared it to the point that everyone and their mother knows about Cave Story be it the music, the gameplay, etc.
Pixel got inspiration from Metroid among other games, but the game plays like nothing people have ever seen. You have a variety of weapons, various ways to play, and a story that adapts organically to the choices you make.
Then, people have taken that and put the game on the Wii with Pixel included. The most awesome thing? Not one person sued.
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Next is probably the one game everyone knows quite well. I don't know how popular the original material is but if I were to show this:
EVERYONE knows the game I'm discussing.
If you don't know this:
Go. Play. NOW!
Or just start here and pray for your sanity and that of the people playing:
Square just lost points in my eyes. That fan made game was pretty awesome. Its not like they stole Squares code, they just reused some of there sprites.
yeah yeah blah blah its there art etc, fine I get it, they still own the sprites. That does not change the fact that they destroyed a work of art themselves.
Do you know were copyrights came from in the first place? They were put in place to prevent factories in the industrial age from stealing inventors designs and using them w/o paying the inventor. AKA, to PROTECT the little guy. Copyrights are now being used by the BIG guys to SQUISH the little guys that are showing there appreciation for the BIG guys work by making a parody game out of it.
If they were going to sell the game that would be one thing. But some little fanmade JRPG parody game IN 2D is not going to hurt the sales of any of squares current projects these days.
yeah yeah blah blah its there art etc, fine I get it, they still own the sprites. That does not change the fact that they destroyed a work of art themselves.
Do you know were copyrights came from in the first place? They were put in place to prevent factories in the industrial age from stealing inventors designs and using them w/o paying the inventor. AKA, to PROTECT the little guy. Copyrights are now being used by the BIG guys to SQUISH the little guys that are showing there appreciation for the BIG guys work by making a parody game out of it.
If they were going to sell the game that would be one thing. But some little fanmade JRPG parody game IN 2D is not going to hurt the sales of any of squares current projects these days.
Actually, no, that isn't explaining anything.Geekosaurus said:
What my post and exasperated sigh was about is your bigoted opinion. You deride piracy and yet you won't change your mind or look at newer evidence because it conflicts with your own personal belief. More power to ya.
But then that wasn't the point of this thread where I do explain [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.258389-Todays-Piracy-report?page=2#9744383] to someone else what others can do. So it really isn't a "justification" thread regardless of what you think of the matter.
Then, you conflate piracy to physical assault on a public forum. Last I checked there are TWO 2nd Amendment threads on the first page. So someone who has a problem with the 2nd Amendment would probably have a problem with a topic of over 30 pages.
First, the two aren't related. As I've explained before, you have your belief pretty set, so really there was no point except to try to deride this into a negative view. I can't stop you from doing what you want, I'm just calling out the behavior that I see.
I won't be posting to you again based on this analysis. It just disappoints me that you won't actually find evidence for your position and have to resort to an appeal to ethos where your logic may perhaps be flawed.
You're right, I have no evidence to support my dislike towards piracy. Oh, wait, yes I do - it's morally wrong and illegal.Gindil said:
Alright [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning]. Have a nice day.Geekosaurus said:
-Edit- Obviously, Geekosaurus refuses to answer any questions and we've had this discussion start at the same place as last time with his personal belief in piracy being morally wrong and illegal. Rather than answer the questions I've put up, he continues to merely stomp his foot around like a child and try to say "I'm better than the rest of the world."
So yes, I did promise that I wouldn't respond to him anymore, and it seems I can keep my promise with no regrets. Should he ever choose to respond to the valid reasons given about piracy, I'll be more than happy to debate. Until then, I'll hope he finds a better answer than the one below.
My opinion isn't based on assumption so that doesn't really stand. Piracy is illegal. That's just a fact. As for it being morally wrong, morals are based on personality and opinion. It just happens that my moral compass aligns with the law. So that was a nice use of Wikipedia, but I'm afraid it stands for nothing.Gindil said:
Link [http://www.opcoder.com/projects/chrono/]
This was another project shut down by Square in 1999.
The reason was because someone actually had the audacity to make Crono Trigger into the 3D realm. For a CT invention, they got the style pretty damn accurately.
The walking animation needed some work. Even if they were imitating the sprites of CT, it just looked lopsided as they were continuing the animation.
I'm not sure of the exact reasoning on this one as I was with Crimson Echoes.
Still, as you can view the other videos on the left, this is yet another example of the complexity of copyright law preventing progress.
This was another project shut down by Square in 1999.
The reason was because someone actually had the audacity to make Crono Trigger into the 3D realm. For a CT invention, they got the style pretty damn accurately.
The walking animation needed some work. Even if they were imitating the sprites of CT, it just looked lopsided as they were continuing the animation.
I'm not sure of the exact reasoning on this one as I was with Crimson Echoes.
Still, as you can view the other videos on the left, this is yet another example of the complexity of copyright law preventing progress.
I'm taking that and putting them in the first post.EcksTeaSea said:Ah another piracy topic. These go well here.
Today is a look at The Silver Lining.
Sometimes, a work gets notoriety because of the fact that it gets shut down. TSL [http://www.tsl-game.com/] is all about continuing the threads of story from King's Quest and giving them closure.
I may have never played a King's Quest game so I won't be able to do it justice. Still, it's another game that was damn near shut down when its resources were supposed to be destroyed through copyright infringement.
Sometimes, a work gets notoriety because of the fact that it gets shut down. TSL [http://www.tsl-game.com/] is all about continuing the threads of story from King's Quest and giving them closure.
I may have never played a King's Quest game so I won't be able to do it justice. Still, it's another game that was damn near shut down when its resources were supposed to be destroyed through copyright infringement.
And that is an issue. However, the devil is in the details. If I am a fan, who makes something off of your work, should I be penalized for doing so? Take the Crimson Echoes game for instance. Three fans, three years of work, all based on a rom hack of the snes game. I have seen all 90 parts to the first link. I went and saw the songs used. I am a fan of the music now.VanityGirl said:
All destroyed because it infringed on Square's copyright.
Another thing to consider, Crono Trigger was 10 years old with nothing in the terms of innovation. As soon as they took these games were taken down, they "released" CT. Minimal upgrades, and nothing to distinguish it from the PS1 or snes versions. True fans got screwed IMO.
Today is a great look at a great game that no one will have heard of unless you were a fan.
So obviously, people have heard of this character here:
Is he awesome? Not as awesome as the previous incarnate, but still we can't get him to come out save for one Brawl game. There's reasons for that.
First is the fact that Earthbound, while a cult success, didn't garner the numbers that Nintendo was looking for. Sure, if you ever go to Starmen.net, you'll find a very vocal minority that thinks this game is the bomb-diggity. Still, the problem comes up there are huge problems with bringing it to the US market at the very least.
First is copyright law. A LOT of music is taken as reference from the Beatles. You can see it all here [http://cruiseelroy.net/2009/01/mother-3-musical-allusions/]. It's very interesting to see all that just the music has done.
Second, Nintendo may be hesitant to put the final game of the Mother series into American hands. After EB came out, they looked at the series as one that they would put on the shelf. Sadly, it would work great on the Virtual Console, but Nintendo STILL won't put this game out, even though there is quite a following to the game.
What's mind boggling is the fact that the fans of Mother actually translated this series. While I can tell you all day about this series, I can't tell you what a travesty it is that you can't play the game save for through copyright infringement. It would be one of the reasons to get a Game Boy Advance, if only to play the last great game of Shigesato Itoi.
In regards to the game itself, it's absolutely phenomenal. The music/combo system I personally haven't seen before and it allows for you to really pay attention in battle rather than be a passive participant. You are literally listening for tones to attack and make a larger combo for more damage. The music never got old and no matter the area, you would have a fun time with the game.
Storywise, I understand that darker and edgier is out. But this game seems cutesy on surface. It's not until you begin to play it that you really see the darkness of such a place... I was quite surprised and shocked by some of the things on here. There is absolutely one boss you CAN NOT defeat! I know what you're thinking, "But I'm the chosen One!" Well, tough! You can try, and you will die.
Personally, I'll show my favorite room in the game along with my favorite boss.
But the fact remains that only copyright infringement will allow someone to see this game outside of Japan. Enjoy the vids:
So never mess with the penultimate raging beast and always remember... Great games have always been made regardless of their "legality"
So obviously, people have heard of this character here:
Is he awesome? Not as awesome as the previous incarnate, but still we can't get him to come out save for one Brawl game. There's reasons for that.
First is the fact that Earthbound, while a cult success, didn't garner the numbers that Nintendo was looking for. Sure, if you ever go to Starmen.net, you'll find a very vocal minority that thinks this game is the bomb-diggity. Still, the problem comes up there are huge problems with bringing it to the US market at the very least.
First is copyright law. A LOT of music is taken as reference from the Beatles. You can see it all here [http://cruiseelroy.net/2009/01/mother-3-musical-allusions/]. It's very interesting to see all that just the music has done.
Second, Nintendo may be hesitant to put the final game of the Mother series into American hands. After EB came out, they looked at the series as one that they would put on the shelf. Sadly, it would work great on the Virtual Console, but Nintendo STILL won't put this game out, even though there is quite a following to the game.
What's mind boggling is the fact that the fans of Mother actually translated this series. While I can tell you all day about this series, I can't tell you what a travesty it is that you can't play the game save for through copyright infringement. It would be one of the reasons to get a Game Boy Advance, if only to play the last great game of Shigesato Itoi.
In regards to the game itself, it's absolutely phenomenal. The music/combo system I personally haven't seen before and it allows for you to really pay attention in battle rather than be a passive participant. You are literally listening for tones to attack and make a larger combo for more damage. The music never got old and no matter the area, you would have a fun time with the game.
Storywise, I understand that darker and edgier is out. But this game seems cutesy on surface. It's not until you begin to play it that you really see the darkness of such a place... I was quite surprised and shocked by some of the things on here. There is absolutely one boss you CAN NOT defeat! I know what you're thinking, "But I'm the chosen One!" Well, tough! You can try, and you will die.
Personally, I'll show my favorite room in the game along with my favorite boss.
But the fact remains that only copyright infringement will allow someone to see this game outside of Japan. Enjoy the vids:
So never mess with the penultimate raging beast and always remember... Great games have always been made regardless of their "legality"
Today's game was never released and comes to us via Lost Levels [http://www.lostlevels.org/200402/200402-rcr.shtml]
River City Ransom 2 - The game that never was. It's better to let the developer tell the story:
River City Ransom 2 - The game that never was. It's better to let the developer tell the story:
So there you have it. It coulda been a contender. I would love to see what he's doing now but...
That's only because it involves us. It's like how getting kitty treats matters more than third-world starvation. Most of us have suffered more grief via DRM than Somalis, so we worry more about internet piracy than the waterborne kind. It's human nature.The King of Rock and Roll said: