Tokyo's Anti-Loli Bill has Passed in Committee.

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Well, I can honestly say that it is good to restrain viewers from certain media. The one thing that I never liked was the confusion of the term lolita. Obviously loli refers to the hentai of small children. But lolita fashion (which is something that I like) is completely different and has almost nothing to do with loli hentai.
 

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DazBurger said:
So... How is this bad?
Because the actual wording of the bill is so vague that the government can essentially choose to censor any content it finds objectionable as long as it is deemed damaging towards today's youth.
 

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In absolutely no way can I support a bill that blatantly attempts to apply a generalized blanket of censorship to an entire medium or medium subset, particularly after reading into the specifics of the bill. This is a step in the wrong direction, regardless of how people might feel about the content in question.

People need to step back for a minute and look at the actions being taken here rather than the content it addresses. This level of policing without precedence or precision guidelines is little more than a thinly veiled effort to subvert and subdue an industry that one group has a grudge against; nothing more, nothing less. There is no higher-minded value at work here. There is only a narrow-minded drive to oppress something that is not understood and, therefore, must be dangerous.

Just like rock and roll. Just like D&D. Just like Harry Potter and umpteen scapegoats before.

Regardless of how you feel about the content in question, this just isn't how it should be dealt with. That man has already admitted to feeling that homosexual people shouldn't even be allowed to present themselves in mainstream media. All he's done is taken that opinion and spread it to as many subsets as he can manage. Some of you still support that kind of thinking? Disturbing, indeed.

Live and let live, folks. It's not that hard.
 

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You do realize that this will essentially cripple the japanese anime, manga, and games industries, right?

If there's an anime, manga, or game you like, chances are it'll be either banned or discontinued due to fear of being regulated under this law. Even if they would be safe.

Also, Japan's economy is already on the verge. Severely crippling such large industries is practically suicidal.

Yes it is restricted to Tokyo, but the fact this is happening at all is just ridiculous. I'm against child-porn and all that, but banning all forms of sex/porn is just ridiculous. Under very vague terms no less.

Wonder how this will affect Atlus. I'd hate to see them stop making games because of this.

Also, why is it only going after anime/manga/games? So they're saying real sex with real people is fine, but fake sex isn't?

All this "think of the children!" bullshit needs to stop.
It's not about the children. It's about some of this shit that isn't currently regulated being pretty offensive. And instead of being mature about it, this is an industry just like Fox news and current mainstream journalism that MUST go for the lowest common denominator in order to maintain their audience.
 

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If the content is being regulated so that hypersexualized media as well as obscure sexual fetish media are simply not available to children, good for them. Welcome to civilization. If this content is being blamed for adult deviant behavior and banned entirely, then Japan, you and I need to talk.

Sexual repression never helped anyone. The harder you try to outlaw something, the more it becomes dirty and dangerous. It happens with drugs and prostitution in the West, and it would be quite scary to have that happen to fetish porn. That's how we end up with "snuff" porn. (BDSM porn in the extreme to the point where the submissive is tortured to death)

Porn is a fact of life, and as long as it's limited to people who have the proper context to understand that it's a fantasy, real women don't behave like that, etc... then it harms nobody, and prevents some of the scarier kinks from getting people hurt.
 

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I see no problem in restricting marketing of clearly adult material of limited appeal to interested adults.

As long as it's still available (i.e. practically possible to get hold of) to those of legal age who might want to seek out such material, I certainly don't mind loli hentai being far away from my eyes.

I'm hoping "harmful" would be determined based on whether it causes identifiable harm to any actual persons, and not whether it makes the Japanese equivalent of baby Jesus cry or whatever. "Harmful" and "repulsive"/"offensive" are conceptually worlds apart, this seems more like latter would be the actual criteria than the former.
 

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Being a child molester absolutely does warrant severe punishment, but merely being a pedophile doesn't make anyone a monster in my book.
It may not be entirely on topic, but I absolutely agree. Those who would actually go out and abuse or harm a child definitely deserve to be stopped and punished, but it's a bit of a shame that the much larger, harmless variety get piled in with the worst. It's not an easy thing to express sympathy for, but it is a bit sad how deep the hatred is seeded in most cultures.

On a purely theoretically note, I find it a little strange that homosexuality and paedophilia were openly accepted a couple of thousand years ago, then became taboo and hated. Nowadays, homosexuality is more accepted but paedophilia is more hated. That progression seems a bit strange to me. I want to be clear though, I'm not trying to equate the two or preach support for paedophilia at all. It's a bit on a tangent, but it's just one of those things that's kind of interesting from a historical perspective. It just makes me wonder where things are going.

Ah right, and the arguments about sympathy equalling association. This is something that really frustrates me, especially when used by people that really should know better. For example, it's the argument Senator Conroy is using to push the mandatory filter on Australians. Essentially his argument is that the Internet has child porn, therefore government should have the power over what Australians can access on the Internet. Anyone against the filter supports child porn. I wish I was using that as emphasis, but I'm really not; he's said this on camera, despite overwhelming opposition. It's just something that many people use to get their own way (especially politicians), which is all-too-often paired with the 'think of the children!' offence. I guess that's kind of the case here.

It's past 2am here, I'm kind of slipping on and off topic so I'll just wrap up. I pretty much agree with everything you're saying; this is misplaced attention that's really not serving it's claimed purpose, but rather is working to provoke more problems than it solves. More relating back to where this thread has gone than where it started, though.
 

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Vidiot said:
If the content is being regulated so that hypersexualized media as well as obscure sexual fetish media are simply not available to children, good for them. Welcome to civilization. If this content is being blamed for adult deviant behavior and banned entirely, then Japan, you and I need to talk.
Officially, the former. However, I think that anything and everything may be covered by the bill. For sake of argument, suppose the politicians declare that images of children playing video games are "detrimental to the development of children". Bam, any and all anime featuring children playing video games get cast off into the AO rating. Of course, this is an exaggerated example, but from my understanding of the law, there's nothing to stop that from happening.
 

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vaguely worded bills are a blank check for any politician, and should be discouraged, but unfortunately I don't possess the credentials to vote in Japan (like citizenship) and can't do much about that part besides ***** on the internet
 

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Julianking93 said:
Seriously though, I don't see the big deal. It's just loli. It's not like it hurts anyone. I can understand why people wouldn't want it as it's... you know, loli, but no one has ever been harmed because of it. At least not to my knowledge.

And seriously, why is furry hentai looked down upon so much? I can understand the people who dress up are kinda... weird, but how is just the furry art bad? I've never got the big deal with it :/
I feel this way about loli. It's not like it hurts anyone, and being a young-looking girl, I tend to end up with guys inclined towards loli. It's not as though they literally want a 12 year old - they just find the loli looks attractive. We cute ones make the best DIDs, anyways.

As for furries, I don't know why people feel an aversion. I disliked the group who lived near me, mainly because they DID dress up, and one wore a collar religiously which not only looked terrible on him, but also bothered me on a lifestyle level... didn't help that he and his friends admitted on several occasions to being creepy and yet weren't comfortable enough to admit that their fursonas were mostly a sexual stimulant. And his parade of furry lovers was... not great. Imagine walking into your kitchen at midnight to find a dripping wet furry in a speedo... yeah. So I was living near a bad batch of 'em, but most are normal people, so I don't know...
 

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From what I can tell they aren't banning it so much as restricting sales to children. I don't know how that might work in Japan but if it's a case of sticking an 18 sticker on it like the UK/Europe or whatever they do in the US (R rated?) then I don't really see any problem with it. I suppose the system may be different in Japan so maybe it will have an effect.
 

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ajemas said:
The anti-loli bill (bill 156), which has since mutated into a general anti-crazy-sex bill
There will be an anti-crazy-sex-bill in JAPAN?!
I sense another country's economical breakdown coming up...
 

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The day they ban soiled panties vending machines is the day I'll excepts this, not the other way around.
 

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Hail Fire 998 said:
While I'm all for getting rid of all that... dirty loli stuff, I wonder if it will start biting into other things.
Depending on the wording it can mean A LOT of thing can be deemed bad and gotten rid of.

Which can mean a drop in manga like Negima.
And anything else like it.
Which is.. VERY VERY BAD.

But if it just bans loli H and the like, then HELL YEAH!
not quite, the ban is on the manufacturing or sale of any sexual content that may be deemed harmful to children. so while loliH will be on the strictly banned list, soft ero's like Negima, love hina and the rest in a kinda grey area that will require strict moderation and control.

and that's only in amine and manga, the game development business is going to take a hit as i can't see this allowing catherine to be released unless it's finished by April (when the bill takes effect)
 

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1) Attempts at governmental censorship like this make me paranoid. I'm scared enough of G-men to have to worry about the Japanese version busting down my door. Damn, now I'm gonna have nightmares.

2) Drawings of people ARE NOT people. There should be no law protecting drawings of people, because those drawings are just an extension of the artist's mind. There are no victims. What's next, Thought Police? Will people be arrested for mere thoughts?

3) Why is this kind of thing being censored, but brutal violence is not? The government is literally telling us that it is morally and socially acceptable to disembowel or behead people (see God Of War) but it isn't OK to show a young girl's chest. Seriously, wtf.

I believe that most people in support of this kind of censorship either haven't thought about it very hard, have ulterior motives, or they doth to protest too much, methinks... if you know what I mean.
 

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scumofsociety said:
From what I can tell they aren't banning it so much as restricting sales to children. I don't know how that might work in Japan but if it's a case of sticking an 18 sticker on it like the UK/Europe or whatever they do in the US (R rated?) then I don't really see any problem with it. I suppose the system may be different in Japan so maybe it will have an effect.
I would imagine that the problem is that if you're media is affected by this law, it's like getting a BBFC R18 rating: only available in specially licensed (sex) shops. And websites, obviously, but that's beside the point.
 

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Delusibeta said:
I would imagine that the problem is that if you're media is affected by this law, it's like getting a BBFC R18 rating: only available in specially licensed (sex) shops. And websites, obviously, but that's beside the point.
Fair enough, that is more problematic, taking it out of general distribution I imagine would lead to a pretty dramatic drop in sales.