Tolkien, Overrated?

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Mcupobob

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Well I loved the hobbit but could never get into his other books. It was his over description and the elegant way his writing flows that got me sucked in.

Well I'm assuming the other books were just as good, I just never had the heart to go out of my way for them.
 

Anachronism

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As a novelist, Tolkien is overrated. That is not to say, however, that I dislike his novels; on the contrary, I adore them. It has to be said, though, that he was not a novelist, first and foremost, and it shows; The Lord of the Rings is overly descriptive, has serious pacing issues, and there are so many references to events in The Silmarillion, which wasn't published for 20 years after LotR, that it can be more than a little daunting.

Where he is not, and could never be overrated, is in his world-building, which has had an astonishing amount of influence on modern fiction; practically every epic fantasy novel, film, game and comic is indebted to his work. It's certainly telling that the best high fantasy films are adaptations of The Lord of the Rings. He wrote his novels not so much for the sake of telling a story, but more as a way of putting his world to paper and making it, in a sense, real; this is the reason why The Lord of the Rings can be a little tiresome to read. He created a history for Middle-earth which goes back thousands of years; he gave it gods and a detailed cosmology; he wrote creation stories for all the races, and explanations of why they are the way they are; he drew up maps of his world and gave it realistic and consistent geography; as such, the depth and complexity of his world simply cannot be overstated. It is this world-building which created the fantasy genre as we know it today, and in this regard it is impossible for his work to be overrated.
 

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ThirdEye95 said:
Sniped for being far too long
Just so you know, There is a 15 minute inside look on tonight before the season finale of Boardwalk Empire (I just realized it starts in 38 minutes) but I don't know if you will be getting it over there. If not I'll have it up in this user group http://www.escapistmagazine.com/groups/view/Winter-is-Coming.

laststandman said:
GrimTuesday said:
My problem with Tolkien is I feel that he draws things out, especially descriptions. Also he has gone so in much detail that it kind of ruins the experience for me. It's one thing to develop you're world but there is such a thing as over developing it. It makes it so the reader is less involved in the telling of the story, you can't even think about what the rock looks because he has already spent half a page describing it.
I hear a lot of people say that this is why they dislike Tolkien, yet I can't see that in his writing. Do you think you could give me an example of what you're talking about? I don't doubt you, or anyone else, but people saying this about Tolkien is one of the things that shied me away from reading LOTR in the first place. However upon reading LOTR I did not find it to be entirely accurate.
Sadly I don't have any copies of the books handy at the moment as my brother took them on his way out.
 

Cookie-darling

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Personally, I love how Tolkien goes into so much detail. He is a very descriptive man, but not to the point that is becomes boring. There are many books I have read that I cannot get into because of that reason, but Tolkien's writing is simply beautiful. It flows like a river from page to page, in my opinion. Of course, everyone is entitled to theirs.
 

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Fumbleumble said:
+1 internets to the first person who says what his biggest literary influence was.

(..and no googling :p)
Was it George MacDonald? Or was that just C.S. Lewis's biggest influence?