Tomb Raider writer expressed an interest in making Lara gay?

[IamGamer41]

What makes me think Sam can speak for Lara? Well the fact that they are best friends. Im sure your best friends know what you would say or think of in most situations. But since you want to go on about this lets look at it closer.

I discovered I didn't know a lot of things about my best friends... and they don't know a lot about me.

It's not a rule that people MUST come out to their BFF's. It cam be the most difficult thing in the world to come out on something like that as they worry how it may jeopardise their freindship... or even possible intimate relationship. In a nutshell: IT'S COMPLICATED!

What Sam said implied Lara was surprised to see so many cute guys. Thus meaning Lara had some kinda interest in that happening. So one could surmise that Lara liked cute guys which means she isn't gay. Bi maybe and Im sure that would make everyone happy.

You are so clueless... it's like you've only ever seen the crudest stereotypes of homosexuality on low-rate TV shows.

Just... admit you have no clue. It's like trying to tell me that Venus Fly Trap plants are in fact animals, just because they can move and eat other animals.

Like I said before they do not need to reconn beloved characters into things just to please some minority.

Stop saying that as if it would somehow jeopardise how beloved she was, and stop acting like this is just to please a minority. It is the loud and bitter minority who is the only ones objecting to this.

Oh, and you have not responded to 80-90% of the post you quoted... what the hell.

The only thing I get from our back and forth is you want Lara gay and I don't. Opinions are like assholes as I'm sure you well know. You still cant prove that Sam was wrong about Lara liking said men. Just like how I can't prove Lara had a gay thing for Sam. I go by how I interpret their actions and what they say. That's what I got from it. Also the big thing that everyone is missing is that Lara is too damn busy to hook up with anyone because she's so into discovering all that cool shit she never believed in.

I'm to lazy to cut out that parts that I feel I should respond to.

 

[IamGamer41]

What makes me think Sam can speak for Lara? Well the fact that they are best friends. Im sure your best friends know what you would say or think of in most situations. But since you want to go on about this lets look at it closer.

I'm kind of envious that you and your best friend know each other to the extent that both of you are able to predict with certainty what the other would think or do in the majority of situations. Must be kind of boring though, considering almost everything the other does is that predictable.

What Sam said implied Lara was surprised to see so many cute guys. Thus meaning Lara had some kinda interest in that happening. So one could surmise that Lara liked cute guys which means she isn't gay. Bi maybe and Im sure that would make everyone happy.

Does anyone have the exact line so we can actually examine it and its implications? I don't want to doubt everyone else's interpretations of what the journal said, but it'd be easier to evaluate it if someone would actually quote it instead of allude to it.

That said, even if it said that they were both surprised by all the cute guys, that doesn't really exclude her homosexuality; she could have just went along with Sam because she didn't want to ruin her fun, or she played along because she's in the closet. Either way, hanging out with cute guys doesn't make it impossible for one to be homosexual.

Like I said before they do not need to reconn beloved characters into things just to please some minority.

They've already rebooted the franchise and, I assume, retconned some details about her life to do nothing but fit it into the story, so why not alter something that won't have any massive impact on the game to please some minority? Her being gay doesn't harm the game in any way; it's not like it'd suddenly have sex scenes or Lara constantly talking about how gay she is, and pleasing an underrepresented minority by showing them that the writers are aware that homosexuals aren't some alien thing is a plus.

So the only harm I really see is it pissing off homophobes and people really entrenched in their Tomb Raider fanfiction/fantasies; which I'm really okay with because the former don't deserve respect and the latter should just be ignored.

Ever hear that expression "Yeah that sounds like something he/she would say." Its like that. I said in most cases and Im talking about close friends that you hang out with all the time not facebook friends. You would know what they like and things they find cool and all that.


Its not word for word but I do know she said Her and Lara was surprised to run into that many cute guys.

I see this as a reboot that the series needed. Like what Resident evil 4 did for that series. If they do make her gay or bi or whatever they should have done it in this one not 2 or 3 games later like Bioware did with Shepard.



Fans have a right to be pissed if they totally change up everything they love about a character or story. Some disliked they fact they turned it into a shooter/stealth game with piss poor puzzle sections and lame multiplayer. I liked it myself.

 

[Asuka Soryu]

WHAT!? NOOO! She's supposed to be with Jason Vorheese so they can kill everyone for fun! >.<

 

[Asuka Soryu]

After reading some comments, I just wanna laugh that we're taking the love life of a fictional character so seriously and that she even has a sexuality. Next we'll find out that Lara has a tattoo on her ass and it'll throw the world into utter chaos.

 

[Elf Defiler Korgan]

*sigh* An I the only one feeling that heterosexuality is becoming unpopular? And our next generation we will have to make only love with our gender, or else your some kind of a weirdo?

It can feel like that when you run into people online who are really interested in making pop culture characters gay, lesbian (or bi) so as to re-invent characters, properly update the image in a progressive sense and represent a non-hetero demographic.

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[Tom Waits' hat]

It's a Tomb Raider games. Lara find treasures and fight wolves and dinosaurs.
There's no need to over analyse this. If the writer want to make her gay, so what?

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

Wouldn't such a cheap and obvious bit of pandering to the infamous (if I may quote a greater man) 'pocket mining demographic' have been the silver bullet between the eyes of all their other efforts to remove this Lara from the overt sexually immature image of old Lara?

Lesbian = pandering to males
"Almost rape scene" = pandering to males
Keeps wearing a tank top = pandering to males
FACT THAT SHE EVEN EXISTS = pandering to males

Anything I missed?

You being a smartarse aside, I am now totally reversing my opinion since I've been able to play the game (money being precious and all) since it dropped in price.

I would totally buy on a legit level that this Lara could be gay because it changes NOTHING about her development as a character. At worst it makes (potential) attraction to Sam one of many driving forces that compel her to ultimately dive in to fight demonic samurai, a mad cult and an enraged God queen spirit to stop her from dying. So what? Lara maybe being in love with her friend doesn't diminish how courageous the act is in and of itself. In truth, as soon as Sam was saved I was expecting a kiss.

I was wrong on this one, while Tomb Raider turned out great and Lara Croft has probably emerged with many new fans and hopefully drawn in existing old fans, I really see where it could have naturally and maturely given us Western gaming's first solid lesbian protagonist. Hell, a few changes to dialogue and it would have also been a pretty solid love story.

And not a panda to be seen

 

[thenoblitt]

my problem with all of it, is that devs are forcing lbgt into games instead of really thinking about them so instead of having actually good interactions its all forced and unnatural and crappy.

 

[aba1]

This does't surprise me at all, Sam does seem to be a little obsessed with Lara and out of all her friends that Lara takes to the island, Sam does seem to be her main concern.

I kinda like it that way, maybe there is something there, maybe they're just really close friends. But if they had just made Lara gay, it wouldn't of bothered me. Though I imagine that some fanboy/girl somewhere would have been upset about it.

I agree normally this stuff with established characters feels really forced but here I can actually kinda see it. Having read a few more comments I can kinda see where people are coming from. Saying they are against it because she was a sex symbol before the reboot and that being a awkward transition or that it was nice to develop the character and having her suddenly revolve around a relationship which would be tedious. So I am more undecided I can see it but I can see some stronger benefits from leaving her sexuality out of the equation for the most part.

This is actually a really interesting topic.

 

[StarFleet86]

I think it would add variety. I would not care that much, but others would.

 

[nexus]

I never asked for this.

Since when did sexuality even matter in video games to begin with? I never normalized myself with video games as a "heterosexual". I never identified myself with, or felt more comfortable with a game because of "heterosexual" mechanics or plot.

Bioware really cracked this one open with relationships. A really benign, nearly pointless addition to an otherwise excellent genre of games, that has completely tainted their work, and permanently opened a can of worms/pandora's box etc.

Every gaming site I go to, I feel I'm being "scolded" even as a neutral party, because I'm a male heterosexual, being led to feel guilty and being corralled into a sub-group of people I do not identify with. Here's the thing, I've never actually seen any worthwhile "romance" or mature sexual themes in any video game that was even worth noting, hetero/homo or otherwise. Does the hetero "family unit" count?

Is this one of those things where e.g. if you're white, you are just ignorant of all your privilege, so you need to shut up and accept whatever a person says?

 

[IceForce]

STOP CASTING THREAD NECROMANCY!

You realize you bumped this thread again when you posted that, right? Nearly 24 hours after the last post in this thread? And that you put this thread right back on page 1 of the forum again?

 

[TheRookie8]

Just played the game...

This may be odd, but I thought that she WAS gay. There was definitely something going on with Lara and Sam (especially that bit at the end).

I just assumed that the writers/designers decided not to glorify it...if that's the case, then it's refreshing subtlety.