Topless Women Not Breaking The Law, Says NYPD

[Tr3yk1ng]

Well first neither of these women are near as big as jay cutler he is 300 pounds and not even the biggest around not even near it.Second i wanna see the serena williams bodied man.And third look up virtually any record such as highet jump,fastest sprint,stongest lift(thats not in a female only category)your gonna find a mans name.Its nothing to be ashamed of either its just nature.You see the female t-rex was larger and stronger than the males same is true for the black widow spider.Its just fact.I hear a females brain is better at multitasking im not upset its just the way it is.

Since I come across this exact mentality, I offer you what I offer everyone who says something like that, to avoid derailing the thread further: there are studies that show that the difference in physical potential between men and women is largely environmental (due to child-rearing and cultural ideals), and therefore it is very possible that women can reach the same potential as men if we changed the way we rear children.

So if you want to continue this line of discussion, please let's take it to PMs.

The idea of a rigid gender binary is a myth. It's a popular myth throughout much of the western world, but that's it.

I could not possibly agree more.

One more and we can be done i doubt we are gonna convince the other of anything but how would culture or child raising affect physical ability.And how does it affect creatures in the wild who like the black wido female is not even arguebly bigger than the male counterpart.Is it just a human thing?Is it cause girls play with dolls when they get older it stunts there growth or something.Ill accept less wanna do it because of it but not that it affects there physical abilitys.But there a good bit of women who work outfrom the time there young id think at least some would be near breaking a mans record.Although the bench press world record was recently rebroken by...you guessed it a man.

 

[Something Amyss]

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But that doesnt really matter in terms of rights. See i find womens forearms pretty attractive. Most guys dont. Like the breasts the forearms are not a sexual organ. You do not use them for sex. People LIKE breasts yes, much like i like forearms. But just because i like something on a woman that doesnt mean she should cover it up. Thats silly. Even if EVERYONE liked womens forearms thats our problem not theirs. I can get over having something attractive being shown to me, it wont cause me to freak out and it doesnt hurt anyone. Im an adult. I can control myself. And just because i enjoy forearms i cant get mad when women have them out.

Im fine having sex organs illegal to show in public. But boobs arnt a sex organ. It seems weird to want to stop women showing their chests because they are lumpy and we find them hot. Women find our chests hot too and they dont complain we can be topless, so lets offer them the same. Sure the average physical difference is there but why does it matter really?

You do know that breasts are there in part as a sexual signal, right? They're more or less a replacement for sexual indications of the vulva in quadrupeds. We developed this way because women's rears are no longer at eye level in the human animal. To equate this to your interest in forearms is pretty ridiculous. It downplays the actual nature of the bodyparts we're talking about.

If we're talking genitals, I still support general coverage of them for health and sanitation issues, and I'm fine with breasts being exposed because I think "hurhur they make me horny" is a stupid reason to cover something up. It's derived from the same logic that accepts raping a woman as okay because she wasn't wearing a burqa.

The fact is, we need to grow up as a society. But that doesn't mean that breasts aren't inherently sexual.

 

[Thaluikhain]

You do know that breasts are there in part as a sexual signal, right? They're more or less a replacement for sexual indications of the vulva in quadrupeds. We developed this way because women's rears are no longer at eye level in the human animal. To equate this to your interest in forearms is pretty ridiculous. It downplays the actual nature of the bodyparts we're talking about.

That is hypothesised, yes, however there are cultures in which the female breasts are not sexualised.

 

[Something Amyss]

The only opinion I have is to chuckle a bit awt the dissonance.

Real life: "Yay I can wear less clothing!"

Gaming: "Damnit she needs to put more cloths on!"

There's no dissonance here unless you really force it. The option of self-determination as opposed to widespread portrayal by the media is no more dissonant than a woman who believes women should have the right to work choosing to be a homemaker.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

You do know that breasts are there in part as a sexual signal, right? They're more or less a replacement for sexual indications of the vulva in quadrupeds. We developed this way because women's rears are no longer at eye level in the human animal. To equate this to your interest in forearms is pretty ridiculous. It downplays the actual nature of the bodyparts we're talking about.

If we're talking genitals, I still support general coverage of them for health and sanitation issues, and I'm fine with breasts being exposed because I think "hurhur they make me horny" is a stupid reason to cover something up. It's derived from the same logic that accepts raping a woman as okay because she wasn't wearing a burqa.

The fact is, we need to grow up as a society. But that doesn't mean that breasts aren't inherently sexual.

I wasnt aware of the biology behind this no. Thats interesting, thanks for informing me. The more you know

My point, despite being fallacious, was making the same thrust of "hurhur they make me horny is a stupid reason to cover something up" though. Some people find other body parts as hot or hotter than breasts despite, as you said, breasts being intended to be the sexual indicator. My point was that these people have as much right to demand their part of choice is covered than the majority do demanding THEIRS is covered.

Its also slightly ironic that as a species we develop the desire for an organ to assist us in reading other peoples sexual ques for us to immediately decide to make covering it the social norm thus rendering this signal an inconvenience at best. Nice work society.

You present a better case than me making my own point though. Thanks.

 

[Something Amyss]

That is hypothesised, yes, however there are cultures in which the female breasts are not sexualised.

In the same sense that there are cultures where genitals aren't "sexualised." We have cultures where people are grown-up enough not to whig out over them, but they still treat them as sexual behind closed doors (or a fair equivalent).

The fact is, just because we don't respond to them doesn't mean they're not sexual indicators. I used to go to nude beaches. Is my laid back attitude towards people's genitals mean they're not sexual?

 

[Something Amyss]

Realy your gonna take it like that all right cupcake ill rephrase it.Would you date a girl who showed her boobs like that.I mean realy i ask a serious question and you take it to the hate women malarchy.Your just doing the TYPICAL feminist thing of overly reading in(or misinterpurating)my words in order to make you feel like women are all VICTIMS OF THE PATRIARCHY.

Yeah, how dare he take your words at face value like they have an actual meaning to them!

To the question, my girlfriend can display her "boobs" all she wants, because it's not my freaking body. I think missing out on such a wonderful person based on whether or not she shows off her funbags would be a horrible decision on my end.

And yes, the underlying question here sounds fundamentally controlling.

 

[Tr3yk1ng]

Forearms?Just curious what you like forearms for lol.and the reason i brought up gameing is to point out the stupidity of feminist going look a women(who is not real)in a bikini thats so offensive but hey lets all take our shirts off and pretend were not just strippers who dont get paid and that its realy impowering.Alright here is a question why is it ok to show boobs but not vagina?Because its sex organs?Why does that matter?No real reason its all about decency.There is no other reason we cant walk around completely naked(other than cold or something).I got another question would you let your girlfriend walk around topless.You might be cool with it not me however.

No idea, its a weird thing ive just always had. It doesnt bother me really though, i dont walk around constantly turned on because women have their arms out. The context isnt sexual.

To be honest there isnt any practical reason why not. Its weird and random and cultural and ive learned to dislike the idea from my parents. Its a tradition, which is a shit reason to do anything really but every civilisation since forever has them so its easier to try and manage them to not be harmful than get rid of them altogether. But i figure if we have weird random traditions lets make em apply to everyone the same way. Otherwise its just not fair. Not to mention there are practical reasons to remove your shirt. Like heat, getting stuff on the shirt and stuff. These things CAN apply to underwear too but not as many to be honest.

She can do as she wishes? How do you STOP your girlfriend if she wanted to? Physically STOP her? Threaten to break up? Tell her not to? I dont command my girlfriend. She can do as she pleases, it doesnt hurt anyone.

Well i dont mean like stop her i ment like date her personally i wouldnt date a girl like that.

 

[kyuzo3567]

I live in Ontario.... The Area I live in has a By-law allowing both men and women to be topless outside. Obviously stores/restaurants can refuse service without wearing a shirt, but its always been allowed to be topless outside in my city for as long as I've been alive

 

[Tr3yk1ng]

Realy your gonna take it like that all right cupcake ill rephrase it.Would you date a girl who showed her boobs like that.I mean realy i ask a serious question and you take it to the hate women malarchy.Your just doing the TYPICAL feminist thing of overly reading in(or misinterpurating)my words in order to make you feel like women are all VICTIMS OF THE PATRIARCHY.

Yeah, how dare he take your words at face value like they have an actual meaning to them!

To the question, my girlfriend can display her "boobs" all she wants, because it's not my freaking body. I think missing out on such a wonderful person based on whether or not she shows off her funbags would be a horrible decision on my end.

And yes, the underlying question here sounds fundamentally controlling.

Alright would you date a girl that actively fucked other people?

 

[Darken12]

One more and we can be done i doubt we are gonna convince the other of anything but how would culture or child raising affect physical ability.And how does it affect creatures in the wild who like the black wido female is not even arguebly bigger than the male counterpart.Is it just a human thing?Is it cause girls play with dolls when they get older it stunts there growth or something.Ill accept less wanna do it because of it but not that it affects there physical abilitys.But there a good bit of women who work outfrom the time there young id think at least some would be near breaking a mans record.Although the bench press world record was recently rebroken by...you guessed it a man.

The studies I have on hand to PM you show that there are no gender-based differences in children when it comes to their GH (growth hormone) levels, and that GH is drastically affected by exercise (in both intensity, type and frequency), and that high GH levels are absolutely critical for children to reach their full size, height and muscle development by the time they're adults (and that if you don't capitalise on this potential as a child, no amount of exercise or steroids in adulthood will change that). Given that we don't raise girls and boys in the same way (we discourage girls from engaging in more intense, frequent and "aggressive" exercise; we teach them that the ideal of female beauty is either skinny or voluptuous, not muscled; we even have stereotyped nutrition, with eating large amounts of meat being considered "manly", while vegetarianism and dieting being considered "girly"). It's extremely hard to find women who were raised in traditionally masculine ways (because of societal backlash against children who step away from traditional gender roles) and who has also gone on to fully realise her physical potential (by being a bodybuilder or athlete). Practically all women who have gone on to become bodybuilders or athletes have been raised, at least to some degree, as society expects girls to be raised.

As for how it works in other species, it's actually the same way. The main difference is that animals have no culture (as that is considered an entirely human trait), and therefore animal behaviour is far more reliant on reaction to external stimuli (so if the external stimuli remains equal, the reaction is likely to be the same). Though there are exceptions to that, of course (though that's more of an ethological matter). Genetic expression being changed by external factors is proven fact. This happens and we use it in science to achieve specific goals (particularly with bacteria). Though we still haven't entirely figured out the consequences of altering genetic expression in humans, we've got some things figured out pretty solidly, and the fact that genetic expression is changed by environmental factors is one of them.

Realy your gonna take it like that all right cupcake ill rephrase it.Would you date a girl who showed her boobs like that.I mean realy i ask a serious question and you take it to the hate women malarchy.Your just doing the TYPICAL feminist thing of overly reading in(or misinterpurating)my words in order to make you feel like women are all VICTIMS OF THE PATRIARCHY.

Yes, yes I would date a woman who showed her breasts publicly, if she was a kind person and we had plenty in common. Did you see the pictures I posted about the type of outfits women wear in my country? They're a step away from toplessness already. And many of them go topless every summer at the beach. Hell, I wouldn't care if she walked around fully naked, since a lot of thongs and bikinis are one step away from that already.

What a woman wants to do with her own body is her own choice. A woman does not "lose value" or somehow becomes less eligible for dating for showing her body in public. If she wants to wear an overcoat at all times, that's fine. If she wants to go naked, that's fine. Whatever she does with her body is fine.

Alright would you date a girl that actively fucked other people?

People who do porn are just as entitled to a meaningful, loving relationship as everyone else. While I admit that I might have insecurities (just like any other guy) about the other men in her work life, I have the maturity to consider those problems to be wholly mine and not hers in any way. Just because I might feel insecure about not being as good in bed as the other men she's been with, it has nothing to do with her or her profession in any way.

 

[Sandernista]

Alright would you date a girl that actively fucked other people?

Depends, have we agreed to be sexually exclusive? If yes, then my answer would be no. If no, then why the hell would I care?

 

[Tr3yk1ng]

One more and we can be done i doubt we are gonna convince the other of anything but how would culture or child raising affect physical ability.And how does it affect creatures in the wild who like the black wido female is not even arguebly bigger than the male counterpart.Is it just a human thing?Is it cause girls play with dolls when they get older it stunts there growth or something.Ill accept less wanna do it because of it but not that it affects there physical abilitys.But there a good bit of women who work outfrom the time there young id think at least some would be near breaking a mans record.Although the bench press world record was recently rebroken by...you guessed it a man.

The studies I have on hand to PM you show that there are no gender-based differences in children when it comes to their GH (growth hormone) levels, and that GH is drastically affected by exercise (in both intensity, type and frequency), and that high GH levels are absolutely critical for children to reach their full size, height and muscle development by the time they're adults (and that if you don't capitalise on this potential as a child, no amount of exercise or steroids in adulthood will change that). Given that we don't raise girls and boys in the same way (we discourage girls from engaging in more intense, frequent and "aggressive" exercise; we teach them that the ideal of female beauty is either skinny or voluptuous, not muscled; we even have stereotyped nutrition, with eating large amounts of meat being considered "manly", while vegetarianism and dieting being considered "girly"). It's extremely hard to find women who were raised in traditionally masculine ways (because of societal backlash against children who step away from traditional gender roles) and who has also gone on to fully realise her physical potential (by being a bodybuilder or athlete). Practically all women who have gone on to become bodybuilders or athletes have been raised, at least to some degree, as society expects girls to be raised.

As for how it works in other species, it's actually the same way. The main difference is that animals have no culture (as that is considered an entirely human trait), and therefore animal behaviour is far more reliant on reaction to external stimuli (so if the external stimuli remains equal, the reaction is likely to be the same). Though there are exceptions to that, of course (though that's more of an ethological matter). Genetic expression being changed by external factors is proven fact. This happens and we use it in science to achieve specific goals (particularly with bacteria). Though we still haven't entirely figured out the consequences of altering genetic expression in humans, we've got some things figured out pretty solidly, and the fact that genetic expression is changed by environmental factors is one of them.

Realy your gonna take it like that all right cupcake ill rephrase it.Would you date a girl who showed her boobs like that.I mean realy i ask a serious question and you take it to the hate women malarchy.Your just doing the TYPICAL feminist thing of overly reading in(or misinterpurating)my words in order to make you feel like women are all VICTIMS OF THE PATRIARCHY.

Yes, yes I would date a woman who showed her breasts publicly, if she was a kind person and we had plenty in common. Did you see the pictures I posted about the type of outfits women wear in my country? They're a step away from toplessness already. And many of them go topless every summer at the beach. Hell, I wouldn't care if she walked around fully naked, since a lot of thongs and bikinis are one step away from that already.

What a woman wants to do with her own body is her own choice. A woman does not "lose value" or somehow becomes less eligible for dating for showing her body in public. If she wants to wear an overcoat at all times, that's fine. If she wants to go naked, that's fine. Whatever she does with her body is fine.

Alright would you date a girl that actively fucked other people?

People who do porn are just as entitled to a meaningful, loving relationship as everyone else. While I admit that I might have insecurities (just like any other guy) about the other men in her work life, I have the maturity to consider those problems to be wholly mine and not hers in any way. Just because I might feel insecure about not being as good in bed as the other men she's been with, it has nothing to do with her or her profession in any way.

Well thats it isnt,children are the same but when we hit puberty thats when it changest men become bigger broader and stronger womens skin softens there hips widen and they minstret to chalk up men being stronger to society ideals is idiotic.Its like hey Go play with dolls and her liftime bench press record goes from 600 to 200.

And GH levels as a kid only makes you grow into an adult what you think ronnie colmen just grew that big cause he ate meat and played rough sports.You shouldnt believe every study you see as fact there was a professor not to long ago through studies believed that earth didnt have gravity but that the gases in the atmosphere held us down.

I dont Even feel like i need to address those last two parts cause i cant see many people seeing them and going"I would totally be ok with with my girlfriend or boyfriend fucking other people".

 

[Tr3yk1ng]

Alright would you date a girl that actively fucked other people?

Depends, have we agreed to be sexually exclusive? If yes, then my answer would be no. If no, then why the hell would I care?

Not realy your girlfriend if your fucking other people(unless its in name only)just someone you have sex with.

 

[Sandernista]

Alright would you date a girl that actively fucked other people?

Depends, have we agreed to be sexually exclusive? If yes, then my answer would be no. If no, then why the hell would I care?

Not realy your girlfriend if your fucking other people(unless its in name only)just someone you have sex with.

I don't understand, if I had sex with someone who wasn't my girlfriend this morning, does that mean the aforementioned girlfriend is now just some chick I have sex with?

I can still do everything I do with my girlfriend and still have the exact same relationship with her while also having sex with other people.

 

[Tr3yk1ng]

Alright would you date a girl that actively fucked other people?

Depends, have we agreed to be sexually exclusive? If yes, then my answer would be no. If no, then why the hell would I care?

Not realy your girlfriend if your fucking other people(unless its in name only)just someone you have sex with.

I don't understand, if I had sex with someone who wasn't my girlfriend this morning, does that mean the aforementioned girlfriend is now just some chick I have sex with?

I can still do everything I do with my girlfriend and still have the exact same relationship with her while also having sex with other people.

Well in my opinion yea but people are different so idk it just seems hollow to call one of the girls you have sex with your girlfriend to me.

 

[KelDG]

I really can't believe al the negative comments about this law, its as if the US are afraid of the human body, and death and chaos will ensue if boobs are shown.

Come to Europe and chill out, nudity everywhere and no one cares, because nudity is not demonised and seen as obscene, a body is a body, so what? Even in the UK I have seen parades and gatherings with topless women all over the place, and the brits have an image of being prude. What does that tell you about the US?

ps - All the shapes and sizes / attractive and not attractive / big and small / thing is nonsense, if you go down that route i'll have to tell a few people to wear a bag over their heads because they are fugly and the sight of them offends me.

pps - This has been completely derailed, it is about nudity, not sex. Seriously, they are not the same thing. If you think they are you better not help your kids in the public changing room, or you could just shoot yourself in the head, which ever is easiest really.

 

[Phasmal]

I wonder if this will stop people freaking out about breastfeeding in public?
Probably not, funnily enough.

And lol at the `but what about men LOOKING at the boobs that might not be pretty?` comments.
Like I want to look at some dude's glistening man-baps.

 

[Sandernista]

Well in my opinion yea but people are different so idk it just seems hollow to call one of the girls you have sex with your girlfriend to me.

But she's not one of the girls I just have sex with. She's the girl I take out for romantic dinners, who I drive across the country with, the chick I watch play Skyrim and jump whenever the Draugr pop out.

 

[Thaluikhain]

I dont Even feel like i need to address those last two parts cause i cant see many people seeing them and going"I would totally be ok with with my girlfriend or boyfriend fucking other people".

Er, polyamory is a thing. It's not even a new thing.