Torture is only a slightly redeemable action if there is something to be gained from it, but there's no reason to torture anyone for satisfaction. That's pretty fucked.
Torturing Mega-Hitler
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Indeed, torture is an awful method for gaining information. Not that other methods do much better, even the famed Reid technique leads to an astonishing amount of false positives.Owyn_Merrilin said:
But the point was that if torture has a somewhat noble goal at least it has a moral justification, however shaky it may be. In fact, I'd even put the Japanese <url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731>Unit 731 experiments, which already are basically some the most horrible human experiments imaginable, above turture for inflicting pain's sake.
Oh, of course. Couldn't agree more. Sorry, just didn't understand where the comments where directed.nuttshell said:
You mean Mega-Bolton, right? I'd hate to see you get Mega-Flayed.Silvanus said:
OT - I wouldn't torture but if he really is that evil killing him outright wouldn't bother me.
We may think we're above it, but when someone has wronged you, your family, or your neighbour, there's a certain psychological need to reciprocate harm done and understand why. Why fight it?
I'd want him to die regretting his actions, or even torture out an apology or an explanation. I wouldn't even care if it was genuine or not, just enough to convince myself that my loved ones could rest in peace. Then I could let him die in merely moderate pain as he reflected upon his evil deeds - if he had any mental faculties left, that is.
But something tells me that this "Mega-Hitler" may have himself had a tragic existence as a human being... we like to create demons to externalise evil. For example the Angra Mainyu. None had a more tragic existence than the innocent man who was tortured and filled with the world's evil. I'd really need to know his entire history, the context of his actions.
I'd want him to die regretting his actions, or even torture out an apology or an explanation. I wouldn't even care if it was genuine or not, just enough to convince myself that my loved ones could rest in peace. Then I could let him die in merely moderate pain as he reflected upon his evil deeds - if he had any mental faculties left, that is.
But something tells me that this "Mega-Hitler" may have himself had a tragic existence as a human being... we like to create demons to externalise evil. For example the Angra Mainyu. None had a more tragic existence than the innocent man who was tortured and filled with the world's evil. I'd really need to know his entire history, the context of his actions.
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Well, first I'd put on the nipple clamps on him
Then, I'd blindfold him and lightly tickle up his legs until I reach his di-
Oh, physically torture?
That shit's bad son, I do not like >.>
Then, I'd blindfold him and lightly tickle up his legs until I reach his di-
Oh, physically torture?
That shit's bad son, I do not like >.>
Would it be right to torture him?
After he's committed genocide, rape to male/female/children, tortured people physically and mentally and just been and all around psycho?
No, it wouldn't. I never understood this mentality of 'Oh he did something bad, let's do it back to him because what he did is wrong and that's justice'. To me that's circular logic, would it be right to kill him/lock him up indefinitely? Yes if it would save lives and he's clearly a danger to others.
And I know this is a hypothetical Hitler but that's the thing about the actual Hitler, he did it to further an ideology, he had a plan and any man or woman can do some fucked up shit in the name of ideology.
After he's committed genocide, rape to male/female/children, tortured people physically and mentally and just been and all around psycho?
No, it wouldn't. I never understood this mentality of 'Oh he did something bad, let's do it back to him because what he did is wrong and that's justice'. To me that's circular logic, would it be right to kill him/lock him up indefinitely? Yes if it would save lives and he's clearly a danger to others.
And I know this is a hypothetical Hitler but that's the thing about the actual Hitler, he did it to further an ideology, he had a plan and any man or woman can do some fucked up shit in the name of ideology.
I firmly believe if a criminal has no benefit to society and is proven guilty without a doubt, off them. Then and there.
Don't waste time or resources (resources include people) with torture.
Unless they have information that will save/help/benefit people. If they do, have at those fingernails.
Otherwise, quick easy shot to the head.
Don't waste time or resources (resources include people) with torture.
Unless they have information that will save/help/benefit people. If they do, have at those fingernails.
Otherwise, quick easy shot to the head.
If it was any normal person, I'd say no. But you say this guy commited every atrocity ever? from stomping on kittens and concentration camps to eating that doughnut he clearly saw me call dibs on?
My vengeance will be sated, *****. No one breaks the dibsies rule.
But for realsies, The way i see it, if one man could commit every evil and every crime imaginable, he doesn't deserve the sweet release of death. He shouldn't get off with just an execution, that's hardly a slap on the wrist in comparison. Hell, now that I think about it really we should leave it up to the victims (the survivors at least) they were the ones affected, they should be the judges
My vengeance will be sated, *****. No one breaks the dibsies rule.
But for realsies, The way i see it, if one man could commit every evil and every crime imaginable, he doesn't deserve the sweet release of death. He shouldn't get off with just an execution, that's hardly a slap on the wrist in comparison. Hell, now that I think about it really we should leave it up to the victims (the survivors at least) they were the ones affected, they should be the judges
As much as id love to get into a hitler themed kinky sex adventure with strap ons, whips and ball gags id say violence breeds violence, even if its kinky violence, send him to a tropical island with beautiful women and all body massage therapy with plenty of rum, and lets see if we can breed a better class of dictator, one who doesn't take themself too seriously and doesnt feel then need for genocide,
edit: Just thought of this earlier, why the fuck did no Nazis have beards? Never seen a single nazi with a beard, just some useless question that yahoo answers couldn't handle, but interesting no?
edit: Just thought of this earlier, why the fuck did no Nazis have beards? Never seen a single nazi with a beard, just some useless question that yahoo answers couldn't handle, but interesting no?
Torture has a bad track record of generating truth but at the same time it has had a record of generating truth on occasion.Owyn_Merrilin said:
It often fails, but it doesn't ALWAYS fail.
And if you're dealing with the hypothetical mega-Hitler I don't think I would have any qualms about us attempting to extract information from that particular individual using torture.
I don't like torture in that way but if it's to get vital info. Ends justify means.
But for mega-hitler...maybe watch a fight to the death with him vs something mean. I think gladiator combat has such a large audience we could gain on.
But for mega-hitler...maybe watch a fight to the death with him vs something mean. I think gladiator combat has such a large audience we could gain on.
I with the definitely wrong to torture, and killing is the right thing on the hes a living bio-hazard. The thing that really throws me is the piss killing the innocent and pure can you imagine the incredibly messed up ramifications of having a empirical definition of pure from the who and what survived and who did not. Also just the price of the piss of Mega-Hitler on the black market to "prove a girls purity" would be sickening.
Torturing him would lend credence to his existence, importance to his actions. Mega-Hitler is nothing more than a detriment to life on the planet, spending more effort than is required to efficiently dispose of him is absolutely beneath any of said life.
So yeah... kill him (most likely with a firearm), dissolve the body with acid, dump the resulting sludge in a landfill... and only mention him in passing in educational materials, as one would a historical natural disaster. Honestly, I think this is how we should deal with any and all mass-murderers. No glorification, minimal media coverage, treat them as the worthless wastes of oxygen that they have made themselves into.
So yeah... kill him (most likely with a firearm), dissolve the body with acid, dump the resulting sludge in a landfill... and only mention him in passing in educational materials, as one would a historical natural disaster. Honestly, I think this is how we should deal with any and all mass-murderers. No glorification, minimal media coverage, treat them as the worthless wastes of oxygen that they have made themselves into.
I say yes, go for it. Make him suffer as much as he has caused suffering for the world. Have him know suffering beyond human comprehension. Just killing him is letting him out the easy way. Blah blah, moral high ground, we're supposed to be better than him, blabedy blah, we become the monster etc. Screw it, scum deserve to be treated like scum. And super-scum deserve a super-scummy treatment. And I mean "I have no mouth and I must scream" scummy.
And hey, I've even got justification from the bible: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". This guy clearly did it, so let's let him have it.
And hey, I've even got justification from the bible: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". This guy clearly did it, so let's let him have it.