Trailers: Star Wars: The Old Republic - Jedi Consular Trailer

[FlameFromBeyond]

Two Steps from Hell, you show your wonderful face again...

 

[Deathlisk]

"I will act with calm and clarity... What? an enemy? RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGEEEEEE!"

 

[Not Enough Gun]

So, a Consular is basically the worlds most bad ass medic.

 

[Neotericity]

Was anyone else thinking Two Steps From Hell, awesome!!!?

 

[manythings]

Using Two Steps From Hell music? The Old Republic just got 20% cooler.

That still leaves 80% more until I would actually purchase it, though.

I don't think you understand how percent works as a concept.

 

[Vrach]

One little thing bothers me about this trailer...

A Jedi uses The Force for knowledge and defense. NEVER attack.

How come the following doesn't then:

Yoda: Always two there are, no more, no less. A master and an apprentice.

Maybe because this is set 3000 years before the movies and the teachings change in that period?

 

[Not G. Ivingname]

Nobody is going to be this class, NOBODY, because how lame the force attacks look, even though being the medic class he would be the most important person on the battlefield.

 

[2xDouble]

One little thing bothers me about this trailer...

A Jedi uses The Force for knowledge and defense. NEVER attack.

How come the following doesn't then:

Yoda: Always two there are, no more, no less. A master and an apprentice.

Maybe because this is set 3000 years before the movies and the teachings change in that period?

Because none of that is showcased in this trailer, but since you bring it up... Every Sith I've seen in footage of this game has/had either a master or an apprentice at some point (typically ending up killing him/her [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/trailers/3412-Star-Wars-The-Old-Republic-Return]). Supposedly they are at least one support character in each Sith's story line. (Also the "prequel trilogy" sucked.)

Teachings may change, but basic tenets do not. Proper use of The Force is the fundamental difference between Jedi and Sith, Light Side and Dark. Jedi don't use The Force to attack or destroy. Sith do.

 

[Vrach]

One little thing bothers me about this trailer...

A Jedi uses The Force for knowledge and defense. NEVER attack.

How come the following doesn't then:

Yoda: Always two there are, no more, no less. A master and an apprentice.

Maybe because this is set 3000 years before the movies and the teachings change in that period?

Because none of that is showcased in this trailer, but since you bring it up... Every Sith I've seen in footage of this game has/had either a master or an apprentice at some point (typically ending up killing him/her [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/trailers/3412-Star-Wars-The-Old-Republic-Return]). Supposedly they are at least one support character in each Sith's story line. (Also the "prequel trilogy" sucked.)

Teachings may change, but basic tenets do not. Proper use of The Force is the fundamental difference between Jedi and Sith, Light Side and Dark. Jedi don't use The Force to attack or destroy. Sith do.

You might want to read up on the Rule of Two. It's a tenet and explains that at one time there may only be a total of two Sith in existence in the entire universe. It's one that's introduced at a certain point in Sith teachings (and is valid through the movies) and abolished later.

 

[2xDouble]

You might want to read up on the Rule of Two. It's a tenet and explains that at one time there may only be a total of two Sith in existence in the entire universe. It's one that's introduced at a certain point in Sith teachings (and is valid through the movies) and abolished later.

Sith really put "teach only one apprentice" on the same level as "seek to increase your power"? wow...

Fine, I guess you're right. Everything about this game is wrong. Thank you for pointing that out.

 

[Tireseas_v1legacy]

Nobody is going to be this class, NOBODY, because how lame the force attacks look, even though being the medic class he would be the most important person on the battlefield.

Bioware has (supposedly) made every class capable of being the healer in a group, though it's clear that the Jedi Knight and Sith Warrior (the melee-focused equivalent of the Jedi Councilor/Sith Inquisitor) will probably be easier to set up as tank rather than a healing class.

One little thing bothers me about this trailer...

A Jedi uses The Force for knowledge and defense. NEVER attack.

How come the following doesn't then:

Yoda: Always two there are, no more, no less. A master and an apprentice.

Maybe because this is set 3000 years before the movies and the teachings change in that period?

Because none of that is showcased in this trailer, but since you bring it up... Every Sith I've seen in footage of this game has/had either a master or an apprentice at some point (typically ending up killing him/her [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/trailers/3412-Star-Wars-The-Old-Republic-Return]). Supposedly they are at least one support character in each Sith's story line. (Also the "prequel trilogy" sucked.)

Teachings may change, but basic tenets do not. Proper use of The Force is the fundamental difference between Jedi and Sith, Light Side and Dark. Jedi don't use The Force to attack or destroy. Sith do.

On the other hand, those that played KotOR I and II know that there's a significant and often skizm-inducing debate within the Jedi on what constitutes "defense," particularly when it comes to the defense of the Republic. During the events leading up to the KotOR series, the break-away faction within the Jedi Order led by Revan believed early intervention in the Mandalorian-Republic conflict would have been more appropriate and would have prevented escalation of the war with less bloodshed then when that faction finally entered late in the conflict. In my opinion, full and endorsed intervention by the Jedi Council (which appeared to reject the option based on a recent war with Exar Kun that made the council war weary rather than any specific teachings) within that conflict may have prevented that break-away faction from pursuing the Mandalorians into the unknown regions where they became a minor Sith empire.

 

[2xDouble]

On the other hand, those that played KotOR I and II know that there's a significant and often skizm-inducing debate within the Jedi on what constitutes "defense," particularly when it comes to the defense of the Republic. During the events leading up to the KotOR series, the break-away faction within the Jedi Order led by Revan believed early intervention in the Mandalorian-Republic conflict would have been more appropriate and would have prevented escalation of the war with less bloodshed then when that faction finally entered late in the conflict. In my opinion, full and endorsed intervention by the Jedi Council (which appeared to reject the option based on a recent war with Exar Kun that made the council war weary rather than any specific teachings) within that conflict may have prevented that break-away faction from pursuing the Mandalorians into the unknown regions where they became a minor Sith empire.

Of course, but there's a big difference between swift and decisive action using knowledge gleaned from the Force, and using the Force to throw things at people. In space, did Revan use the Force to sabotage ships, or to supplement his battle tactics? On foot, did Revan drop avalanches and heavy equipment on the Mandalorians? or did he use those things to set up barricades and defensive positions? (incidentally, why can't Mr. "I love shoulder pauldrons" Consular over there do that? why is it only Smugglers/Imperial Agents can create cover? ...because only smugglers and agents can take cover?)

Nobody ever said Jedi never attack. Jedi never use the Force to attack.

I suppose gameplay has to trump lore in this case. Unfortunate, but understandable. I just wish the Consular would use his lightsaber more. He's not a wizard, after all. He's a Jedi.

 

[Tireseas_v1legacy]

On the other hand, those that played KotOR I and II know that there's a significant and often skizm-inducing debate within the Jedi on what constitutes "defense," particularly when it comes to the defense of the Republic. During the events leading up to the KotOR series, the break-away faction within the Jedi Order led by Revan believed early intervention in the Mandalorian-Republic conflict would have been more appropriate and would have prevented escalation of the war with less bloodshed then when that faction finally entered late in the conflict. In my opinion, full and endorsed intervention by the Jedi Council (which appeared to reject the option based on a recent war with Exar Kun that made the council war weary rather than any specific teachings) within that conflict may have prevented that break-away faction from pursuing the Mandalorians into the unknown regions where they became a minor Sith empire.

Of course, but there's a big difference between swift and decisive action using knowledge gleaned from the Force, and using the Force to throw things at people. In space, did Revan use the Force to sabotage ships, or to supplement his battle tactics? On foot, did Revan drop avalanches and heavy equipment on the Mandalorians? or did he use those things to set up barricades and defensive positions? (incidentally, why can't Mr. "I love shoulder pauldrons" Consular over there do that? why is it only Smugglers/Bounty Hunters can create cover? ...because only smugglers and bounty hunters can take cover?)

Yeah... uh... Revan was a little more adapting of some questionable tactics if the Star Wars Wiki is any accurate, so it actually might had been better if she had.

Besides, what would Battle Meditation classify as?

Nobody ever said Jedi never attack. Jedi never use the Force to attack.

In a narrow sense, I guess this is true. On the other hand, using the Force to bend someones will or enhance an attack appears to be totally okay.

I always found the difference between the Jedi and Sith is less than how they use it (although there are clear differences in that) and more how they approach it. The Jedi believe to understand the force requires peace and stoicism, whereas the Sith believe that understanding is found through conflict and passion. Personally, I think that both have significant deficiencies and that the ideal understanding of the force lies in the middle.

I suppose gameplay has to trump lore in this case. Unfortunate, but understandable. I just wish the Consular would use his lightsaber more. He's not a wizard, after all. He's a Jedi.

An entire tract is devoted to more-lightsaber heavy combat, though force powers are still the focus of the class so those will get top billing in an ad.

 

[Okysho]

It looks like Star wars ate up WoW and Mass effect. Yes I know bioware did this, but shouldn't there be some consistency in the Star Wars Universe?

And seriously WHAT is with those shoulders?! No jedi has had shoulders that big!! Those could Rival Samus' Varia suit!! Seriously!! The varia suit!

 

[Smertnik]

Nobody is going to be this class, NOBODY, because how lame the force attacks look

Agree, throwing pebbles at enemies isn't very impressive.

 

[Not G. Ivingname]

Nobody is going to be this class, NOBODY, because how lame the force attacks look, even though being the medic class he would be the most important person on the battlefield.

Consulars are not the only "medic class" in the game, every other class (with the exception of Jedi Knights and Sith Warriors) can heal as effectively as the consular.

Oh, didn't know that. This was the only trailer that showed a healing ability.

 

[Hero in a half shell]

I'd be able to take that guy more seriously as a defender of justice and honor if he didn't look suspiciously like C&C's Kane.

So THATS where he went after C&C 4, It all makes sense now, he was just a Jedi trying to get back to his own universe far far away. Now if he only had all his glowy tanks with him the Sith wouldn't stand a chance!

Sorry Star Wars. You look awesome, but you've fallen under the sway of the Dark Lord Darth EA. Allowing you into my computer will only lead to ruin.

EA leads to Greed, Greed leads to DRM, DRM leads to suffering!

On topic: A character that relies in diplomacy, in an MMO? Good luck with that. (He actually looks quite good, apart from the shoulderpads. Saving the galaxy can be somewhat hindered by having to walk sideways through every door.