Trailers: Tomb Raider - E3 Trailer

[NinjaDeathSlap]

Well, I'm very much for opening up a new side to Lara Croft besides the completely unlikable ice queen we've seen before. That said, this trailer suggests they've gone way too far in the other direction and made her just as one-dimensional, just the weepy kind of one-dimensional. A middle ground would be nice.

 

[NinjaDeathSlap]

@Sixcess, you don't get it, do you? This is a prequel explaining how Lara developed into what she is in the earlier game. If you'd watched to the end of the trailer you'd've seen that emerging within her. She isn't brutalised as a woman, she's brutalised because she's a *normal person* swept up in whatever the game's plot is.

Then they should have went with a new IP instead of trying to ride on whatever recognition the Tomb Raider name has left, because Lara isn't a normal person - she's a video game action hero in a series that deals in adventure in exotic locations, not 'realistic' psychological drama. This trailer feels as jarring to me as Halo 4 would if it focused mainly on Master Chief suffering post traumatic stress disorder.

Well, speaking as a Halo fan, I'm hoping that the new trilogy will actually focus more on giving the Chief's character more depth like some of the books have done, showing how even an all but invincible super-soldier isn't immune to the psychological trauma that decades of constant war and loss can do to a person.

I know this is only tangentially related to your point, but I'm just saying that dramatic changes in focus on a character aren't necessarily a bad thing, especially when it comes to characters that have been dismissed by many as shallow.

 

[Tharwen]

She makes a lot of chicken noises in this...

 

[Ninjat_126]

Well, speaking as a Halo fan, I'm hoping that the new trilogy will actually focus more on giving the Chief's character more depth like some of the books have done, showing how even an all but invincible super-soldier isn't immune to the psychological trauma that decades of constant war and loss can do to a person.

I know this is only tangentially related to your point, but I'm just saying that dramatic changes in focus on a character aren't necessarily a bad thing, especially when it comes to characters that have been dismissed by many as shallow.

Master Chief in the games is basically a gun on legs. Lara Croft is basically a set of tits on legs, holding guns. Nathan Drake is a pretentious Indy clone on legs, also holding guns.

This should not be considered a good thing.

There's no reason to keep all our favourite characters bland and flat as sheets of paper just because that's how they've always been. I know Other M was disappointing, but here I think we just need to hope that Crystal don't fuck up too badly.

So yeah, Mr. DeathSlap, I sincerely agree with you there.

 

[Kargathia]

And it is because she's a woman. Show me one action game trailer ever that puts a male protagonist in a situation of implied sexual assault if you want me to believe otherwise.

You tell it, as if the sexual assault situation was the guiding reason for the choice of character in the game.

No, my point was that the situation is only there because of the choice of character.

I am simply saying that if the game developers want to give her a very real traumatic experience that will build her personality, then sexual assault is a valid choice.

A reasonable and well informed opinion.

But when I watch that trailer I don't get the feeling that was their motivation. It all comes across like an exploitation movie - like the 70s/80s revenge flicks that used rape/attempted rape as the reason for the female hero to pick up a gun and start killing people, exactly as shown in the trailer. Of course we're seeing it out of context, but I'll bet any money that that's the first point in the game where Lara picks up the pistol(s) that are iconic to her character. That's not a traumatic experience, that's an excuse.

It's a theme as fresh and creative as "family member or S/O gets captured; hero has to come to the rescue", which is to say that while viewed in a vacuum it's perfectly believable, they certainly went for the low-hanging fruit.

Not even mentioning that if this trailer is any indication, then it'll be QTE galore. Bleurgh.

 

[Ickorus]

Fuck me, can't win with some people.

I'm not seeing any problem with this trailer, it's clearly going for a more realistic approach where the bad guys are actually really bad guys rather than stereotypical comic book bad guys.

Don't read Game of Thrones if this gets your knickers in a twist.

This might be the first Lara Croft game I ever invest in.

 

[Deadyawn]

I'm going to lay my cards on the table here. Never played a tomb raider game before, but this looks kind of interesting.

Still not really sure though.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Well, speaking as a Halo fan, I'm hoping that the new trilogy will actually focus more on giving the Chief's character more depth like some of the books have done, showing how even an all but invincible super-soldier isn't immune to the psychological trauma that decades of constant war and loss can do to a person.

I know this is only tangentially related to your point, but I'm just saying that dramatic changes in focus on a character aren't necessarily a bad thing, especially when it comes to characters that have been dismissed by many as shallow.

I agree with this, characters like Master Cheif aren't characters because they have no real... well character.

Having a super invincible uber-macho tank-like super solider run around is a crappy character type IMO.

We need more games like this new Tomb Raider were our character get thier asses beat by everything around them.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

This?

This is the trailer that's getting everyone's knickers in a twist?


...

And I thought I lived a very sheltered life

I really can't see what the big fuss is about. She's a woman overcoming obstacles, where's the 'sexism?'

 

[SajuukKhar]

This?
I really can't see what the big fuss is about. She's a woman overcoming obstacles, where's the 'sexism?'

The sexism is that there is a woman in video games that isn't a uber-macho Invincible tank like super-solider but instead a real person......


if that makes any sense to anyone, cuz it doesn't to me.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

This?
I really can't see what the big fuss is about. She's a woman overcoming obstacles, where's the 'sexism?'

The sexism is that there is a woman in video games that isn't a uber-macho indivisible tank like super-solider but instead a real person......


if that makes any sense to anyone, cuz it doesn't to me.

Yeah, I mean, apparently evil men aren't supposed to attempt to rape women when they're stranded on a deserted island with no chance of suffering negative consequences for their actions.

Portraying rape isn't a sexist act, especially in the guy gets kneed in the baby batter makers.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Yeah, I mean, apparently evil men aren't supposed to attempt to rape women when they're stranded on a deserted island with no chance of suffering negative consequences for their actions.

Portraying rape isn't a sexist act, especially in the guy gets kneed in the baby batter makers.

I would like to see more stuff like this in games.

Like I want to see Nathan Drake get beat, not like hollywood beat were he just comes out of it like a badass and it doesn't affect him at all in the long run, like James Bond or something, but REALLY beat.

Like captured by some guys and just get the ever loving crap beat out of him, to the point it really messes him up or something.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Yeah, I mean, apparently evil men aren't supposed to attempt to rape women when they're stranded on a deserted island with no chance of suffering negative consequences for their actions.

Portraying rape isn't a sexist act, especially in the guy gets kneed in the baby batter makers.

I would like to see more stuff like this in games.

Like I want to see Nathan Drake get beat, not like hollywood beat were he just comes out of it like a badass, like James Bond or something, but REALLY beat.

Like captured by some guys and just get the ever loving crap beat out of him, to the point it really messes him up or something.

I know what you mean.

Not once when I was playing Uncharted, did I ever get the feeling Drake was scared for his life.

 

[SajuukKhar]

I know what you mean.

Not once when I was playing Uncharted, did I ever get the feeling Drake was scared for his life.

It is the problem with most games nowadays, nothing characters suffer through actually causes any real impact on them.

They just shrug it off like 3 minuets later and go back to being guns with legs.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

I know what you mean.

Not once when I was playing Uncharted, did I ever get the feeling Drake was scared for his life.

It is the problem with most games nowadays, nothing characters suffer through actually causes any real impact on them.

They just shrug it off like 3 minuets later and go back to being guns with legs.

Hell, I hated the original Tomb Raider games, Lara was so damned boring.

I might actually pick this game up, since she actually seems to act like a person now, instead of a pinup of one.