Diablo 3 will sell better, no question.Nautical Honors Society said:It won't touch Diablo. Diablo is a legend. Gamers need to realize that SC, WoW, and Diablo are just going to be around and popular for a while longer.
Diablo 2 servers are still up and going after what,10-11 years? We don't know how things will end up. After all,a single patch can solve the DRM issue if they decide that it's not proffitable anymore to keep the servers going.Signa said:I can't speak for everyone, but for me the stability of my internet is irrelevant to the argument of Online DRM. The question that no one will answer is what happens to my game in 10-15 years? I can still play Baldur's Gate because I have my disks, and Diablo 2 is perfectly functional in single player and LAN play without ever talking to Blizzard's servers. There will come a time in the future where Diablo 3 will not be allowed to run, and Diablo 2 will.Aposthebest said:Funny how everything announced about this genre has at least one or two people crying about D3's DRM,every single time. Seriously now?
To each their own, but I would never tell my fellow PC gamers to throw $60 at a game they won't be able to play every time in their lives that they feel like it. There's other, usually cheaper games that won't pull that shit on their customers.
Yes, but the Halo 2 servers have been down for a few years already. Obviously, it's a case-by-case matter. My point still stands that features of the games you buy with your hard-earned cash may not be around for as long as you'd like. No other medium does this, because I can still watch my VHS tapes and play CDs if I really want to.Aposthebest said:Diablo 2 servers are still up and going after what,10-11 years? We don't know how things will end up. After all,a single patch can solve the DRM issue if they decide that it's not proffitable anymore to keep the servers going.Signa said:I can't speak for everyone, but for me the stability of my internet is irrelevant to the argument of Online DRM. The question that no one will answer is what happens to my game in 10-15 years? I can still play Baldur's Gate because I have my disks, and Diablo 2 is perfectly functional in single player and LAN play without ever talking to Blizzard's servers. There will come a time in the future where Diablo 3 will not be allowed to run, and Diablo 2 will.Aposthebest said:Funny how everything announced about this genre has at least one or two people crying about D3's DRM,every single time. Seriously now?
To each their own, but I would never tell my fellow PC gamers to throw $60 at a game they won't be able to play every time in their lives that they feel like it. There's other, usually cheaper games that won't pull that shit on their customers.
And I mean,seriously, people have managed to put stress on companies after crying about a bad ending (*cough* *cough*), not even for demanding to actually be able to play the game. So,ye...I'd personally worry whether the game itself would actually last that long.
Blizzard has very stable servers, I have almost never experienced lag on their end when in WoW or SC2, and I can't imagine why D3 would be any different. The D3 beta server(s) were simply not meant to handle the sudden flood of new players.Baby Tea said:Diablo 3 will sell better, no question.Nautical Honors Society said:It won't touch Diablo. Diablo is a legend. Gamers need to realize that SC, WoW, and Diablo are just going to be around and popular for a while longer.
Diablo 3 is a worse game than Torchlight 1.
Why? Well I played the open beta this weekend. My wife was streaming content over the net to our TV. The game LAGGED. I was playing singleplayer, and the game LAGGED. I played and got lag from THEIR servers too. Lag. Playing by myself: Lag. Not 'Your computer is shitty' lag. Internet lag. And I have 25 mpbs internet.
I also got 'timed out' requests when trying to pick my character.
Also: The skill tree sucks and the combat is severely limited.
Diablo 3 will sell better, but only by brand name alone. The game itself is embarrassing.
It was awful in closed beta as well. It's been awful for months.Exocet said:I really don't think it's fair to judge D3's server reliability with an open beta.
Nor the entire game on just a part of an act.
The open beta is not really what the game is going to be like...it was kinda a segmented demo-thing they let us play to test their servers.Baby Tea said:Diablo 3 will sell better, no question.Nautical Honors Society said:It won't touch Diablo. Diablo is a legend. Gamers need to realize that SC, WoW, and Diablo are just going to be around and popular for a while longer.
Diablo 3 is a worse game than Torchlight 1.
Why? Well I played the open beta this weekend. My wife was streaming content over the net to our TV. The game LAGGED. I was playing singleplayer, and the game LAGGED. I played and got lag from THEIR servers too. Lag. Playing by myself: Lag. Not 'Your computer is shitty' lag. Internet lag. And I have 25 mpbs internet.
I also got 'timed out' requests when trying to pick my character.
Also: The skill tree sucks and the combat is severely limited.
Diablo 3 will sell better, but only by brand name alone. The game itself is embarrassing.
Somethings will change, I'm sure. I don't doubt Blizzard's servers will be pretty strong. You can't run the world's most popular MMO without knowing something about server stability. However, if they bring their servers down for maintenance (Which happens) you can't play your single player game. That's bullshit.Nautical Honors Society said:The open beta is not really what the game is going to be like...it was kinda a segmented demo-thing they let us play to test their servers.
You shouldn't judge a game that isn't out yet.
As a small note to combat, if you were using melee in Diablo past level... I don't know, 15? You were doing it wrong, especially if it was the sorceress. They specifically made caster combat to have abilities which were near-free to never have any need of entering the fray (lest you used the melee Signature spell, in which case, swords in front of your face all you want). It's a design change to the whole game. Every class has abilities that either cost nothing or generate their primary resource for combat. Auto-attacks were NOT relevant in D2, and all Blizzard did was emphasize that here.Baby Tea said:Somethings will change, I'm sure. I don't doubt Blizzard's servers will be pretty strong. You can't run the world's most popular MMO without knowing something about server stability. However, if they bring their servers down for maintenance (Which happens) you can't play your single player game. That's bullshit.Nautical Honors Society said:The open beta is not really what the game is going to be like...it was kinda a segmented demo-thing they let us play to test their servers.
You shouldn't judge a game that isn't out yet.
If you have a shitty net connection, your game WILL lag. Even when playing alone. The game you've installed on your PC, is still, in effect, running off their servers. Shitty internet? Shitty game. That won't change. That's bullshit.
Both those things are pretty big deal breakers. If I wanted an MMO, I'd buy one.
Beyond the fact that the combat is so limited. I was playing as a wizard, and as far as I can tell: you can't even use your weapon. The weapon stats are linked to your default attack, but you don't actually swing the weapon. That's freaking retarded. Even the Sorceress in Diablo 2 could split some skulls with her staff if the need arose. Now I get to lug around a big sword, but never ever use it.
All that on top of some serious gameplay changes to the series that aren't inherently bad, but that I personally don't like.
The game was sorta fun, sure, but am I going to pay $60 for that 'always connected' mess?
Eff no. Torchlight 2 has multiplayer, MODs (Which Diablo 3 does NOT have), LAN support, huge single player, deep skill trees, no DRM, and it's $20.
I love the Diablo series. I have been playing since the first one came out. I was there to see the Monk's debut in the 'unofficial' Hellfire Expansion. I killed Diablo, Baal, and Mephisto. I love the shit of the series. But that love can't get over the fact that this game is a mess.
It's an eff-you to fans and paying customers, and it's an absolute pass.