ok Lost Boys is awesome..you need to watch Finding Forrester... it's awesome, and really gives some insight to what writers go through...especially suddenly successful ones.Rawne1980 said:
Transgender Q & A
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There's a bigger problem than you think: Penguins are actually running the world in secret, under the coalition of the penguin mafia. Here's one of the few photos that we know of:Rawne1980 said:
These guys mean serious business. Do not fuck with them.
I guess I'll bite again. Personally I consider myself biologically to be a MtF transsexual, mid-transition. Boring answer, but seriously. We have androgynous bodies, and essentially have an intersexual issue (can't find the right word atm). One should consider that the specialist doctors noted extreme similarities between intersexuals and transsexuals when it came to their view of their own body and desire to change it. Genereally speaking.CorvusFerreum said:Don't worry, I wouldn't call anyone trans-anything. I would call them by their name and refer to them as their gender (as in the gender they identify with). I was just curious how people would like to have their sex refered to from a biological standpoint. I'm sometimes just curious about the weirdest things (and also a biologist.)Angelowl said:In most cases yes, it's more or less how I percieve it. Regarding terminology it's pretty simple really. I'm a girl, if I need to clarify I would call myself a transgirl or TS-girl as I see fit. Some would demand to be recognized as the right gender pre-transition or be seriously offended it you call them trans-anything. Understandable, but give the "normal" people something to work with. It is pretty complicated if you're new to the concept.CorvusFerreum said:
I simply have to add something I noticed. On the local TS-forum and IRL in sweden I've encountered three general archetypes of transsexuals. Those who desire to be normal, the LBGTQ-activists, and Metal-heads/goths, who are fairly kinky and tend to be bisexual. I fall into this third category myself.
Thanks for the quick answer though.
as stated above, this wasn't my intent.an annoyed writer said:
I'm still curious about a rule of thump on how to tell transgender and transsexual apart. THe line just seems blurry (to me at least). And this thread is an oportunity to me to learn about this before accidently offending somebody out of ignorance.
See, this is where terms like "transgirl" and "TS-girl" comes into play. Because if you just use the ordinary terminology people end up confused and at the wrong conclusions.
Dafuq do I know. XD In sweden the term transperson is over-reaching and supposed to catch all abnormally-gendered individuals. With the different categories fitted into the box, side-effect being that people tend to think about extremely flamboyant drag-queens when they hear "trans" (my grandmother for instance thinks I'm a drag-queen). :S
Swedes consider the term transgender the english equivalent to transperson, a use I've seen in america amongst others. Then it gets messy, transgenders that don't like transsexuals and transsexuals who don't like trangendered indivuals. In a very ironic way there's a whole bunch of transphobic trans-people, they get absurd at times.
Don't go cheap and settle for ferrets in the sock drawer... they're vicious, they stink and they steal everything... it's like living with tiny Glaswegians.Rawne1980 said:
As a recently-out transvestite (horrible term, cross-dresser isn't much better. I'm working on androgynous), I think there's far too much emphasis on the 'rules' and labeling every permutation of the transgender spectrum. A lot of people don't necessarily want or feel the need for society to try and fit individuals into the 'normal' male/female paradigm and want to have the right to be as masculine or feminine as they like without it undermining how they are considered as a person.
One theory (which I subscribe to) is that there are 3 main facets of gender/sexuality.
Sexual Identity - This is the physical body that you are in and how you feel about it. For the majority of people it's relatively straightforward but it can be more complex for people who for whatever reason have a mix of male & female biological traits or those who wish to change their physical sex.
Gender Identity - This is in the mind, so to speak, and possibly the most overlooked and misunderstood area. This is not necessarily a case of 'I feel like a boy' or 'I feel like a girl', it is a scale. Plenty of people might consider may wish to express themselves as masculine or feminine as they like in any given moment, but feel completely happy in their body.
Sexual Orientation - So we know what this is, right? It is also a scale. So you're a 'straight' guy but you can't help but think that this one guy is cute? Does this make you gay? Bisexual? Bi curious? My response is - why the fuck does it matter? I've known a few guys who for intents and purposes were straight guys, but with the right mix of flirty fun and confidence, can find another guy attractive. Lets face it, we don't fancy people simply on the basis that they are of the gender that we've 'decided' we like.
Sorry for the wall of text, and apologies if this duplicates previous points, I read pages 1 & 2 then skipped to 5. Although I feel the discussion's gone off topic...
One theory (which I subscribe to) is that there are 3 main facets of gender/sexuality.
Sexual Identity - This is the physical body that you are in and how you feel about it. For the majority of people it's relatively straightforward but it can be more complex for people who for whatever reason have a mix of male & female biological traits or those who wish to change their physical sex.
Gender Identity - This is in the mind, so to speak, and possibly the most overlooked and misunderstood area. This is not necessarily a case of 'I feel like a boy' or 'I feel like a girl', it is a scale. Plenty of people might consider may wish to express themselves as masculine or feminine as they like in any given moment, but feel completely happy in their body.
Sexual Orientation - So we know what this is, right? It is also a scale. So you're a 'straight' guy but you can't help but think that this one guy is cute? Does this make you gay? Bisexual? Bi curious? My response is - why the fuck does it matter? I've known a few guys who for intents and purposes were straight guys, but with the right mix of flirty fun and confidence, can find another guy attractive. Lets face it, we don't fancy people simply on the basis that they are of the gender that we've 'decided' we like.
Sorry for the wall of text, and apologies if this duplicates previous points, I read pages 1 & 2 then skipped to 5. Although I feel the discussion's gone off topic...
That Penguin .... it wears a tie.an annoyed writer said:There's a bigger problem than you think: Penguins are actually running the world in secret, under the coalition of the penguin mafia. Here's one of the few photos that we know of:
These guys mean serious business. Do not fuck with them.
We're all doomed....
Also amused me in that i'm now picturing Reservoir Dogs with Penguins.
Is this the answer to the universe... Trans, cis.. none of that matters..we're all just Penguins deep down inside.
I need to see that ... Make it happen Slightly Miffed Writer .... make it happen.an annoyed writer said:
I'd pay to see that.
I'd donate a kidney to the Alcoholics Anonymous Failures Corner if you make it happen.
You've heard that saying "we're all pink on the inside"?Beautiful Tragedy said:
Well it isn't true.
We're black and white with beaks and little flipper feet.
Truth of the Universe is that we are all humans and should have love, caring and compassion for each other as this world is all we have and we have each other. We should make the best of that.Beautiful Tragedy said:
Even if you have a faith that has an afterlife why not make things on Earth as good as they can be? Stop creating divisions that lead to discrimination, suffering and even murder and genocide.
EESH! I was being silly, i know there's more to life than that.J Tyran said:
hehe we're so cute!
I know, I just have the vain hope that if I can post that as a response every time I can that enough people will read it and think about it and maybe spread the message too.Beautiful Tragedy said:
I wouldn't mind being a penguin, chances are with my luck I would end up as a male Gentoo penguin and be condemned to a life of constantly nicking stones from other penguins while they are stealing mine.
I hope you folks don't mind if I ask you some more personal matters. I hope you don't mind
Do you, or transgendered folks in general, ever face... advercity within the greater LGB community? Because I got that vibe in the "would you date a transexual" forum.
How did your family react to your decision to change your physical gender?
Are there any female to male transgendered amongst the Escapists? If so, don't be afraid to say so.
And lastly, how "feminine" do you prefer to be in terms of outwards appearance?
Do you, or transgendered folks in general, ever face... advercity within the greater LGB community? Because I got that vibe in the "would you date a transexual" forum.
How did your family react to your decision to change your physical gender?
Are there any female to male transgendered amongst the Escapists? If so, don't be afraid to say so.
And lastly, how "feminine" do you prefer to be in terms of outwards appearance?
Well maybe you are. I just so happen to be a Reptilian. I DO so wish David Icke would stop blabbing to everyone. It's so annoyingBeautiful Tragedy said:
LGBT groups are a bit "hit and miss" with us. Some are welcoming, while others are filled with hostility. With the ones filled with hostility, the general problem is what we already face in the larger world: misunderstandings are abound. Some think we work the same way as gay individuals: this is simply untrue. As such, some groups really don't like us.bioshockedcriticjrr said:
As for the second question, my parents didn't take it well: there's something of an undercurrent of loathing between us right now and I have to tread lightly to work with them. My brother was a ton more accepting though, as to him it explained a few things he found odd about me. That's just my experience though.
Yeah, since sexual orientation and gender identity aren't really related LGB people aren't really any more equipped than straight people when it comes to understanding trans people. The connection between LGB and T is a political alliance more than anything else, and while there are similarities there are also enough differences that LGB people can easily be just as transphobic as straight people. I personally haven't faced outright adversity, but it can be rather disconcerting to see something advertised as LGBT-friendly or LGBT-related or LGBT-whatever when it's actually entirely about sexuality.bioshockedcriticjrr said:
Edited in a few more questions I see.bioshockedcriticjrr said:
The majority of transgendered people answering this thread are Male-To-Female. And personally, I like my looks very feminine, with a Gothic touch.
As a transwoman who hasn't had the opportunity to start any form of transition, partly due to finances and partly due to just honestly not knowing where to start, I would appreciate it greatly if someone could answer (or at least as best possible, I know costs and such tend to vary a bit by region and all) these questions. It would be an incredible help to me and any others like me that may be around, I'm sure. ^_^Raika said:
An OP wrote, "...So it's a mental inability to grasp your true gender and a desire to fundamentally be the different gender...".
This remark, entirely by accident, perfectly conveys the fundamental struggle the TG faces: Most people think there's such a thing as "true gender" and that it is defined by whether one is concave or convex. This assumption is false. The best sociological, biological, and neurological science points up that we are all, to some degree, intersexed, in identity, in brain, and in genitalia; that gender is not entirely a cultural artifact; that both 'transsex' and 'transgender' carry semantic baggage that make them inadequate.
Taccer's comments on the three facets of sexuality back on page 4 are pretty spot on, though I'd like to add that none of these elements are binary, all are on a continuum.
More to come... but I must go feed my children...
This remark, entirely by accident, perfectly conveys the fundamental struggle the TG faces: Most people think there's such a thing as "true gender" and that it is defined by whether one is concave or convex. This assumption is false. The best sociological, biological, and neurological science points up that we are all, to some degree, intersexed, in identity, in brain, and in genitalia; that gender is not entirely a cultural artifact; that both 'transsex' and 'transgender' carry semantic baggage that make them inadequate.
Taccer's comments on the three facets of sexuality back on page 4 are pretty spot on, though I'd like to add that none of these elements are binary, all are on a continuum.
More to come... but I must go feed my children...