Transgenders, Transsexuals, and the Whole Gamut

[20thCenturyBoy]

I have to say, I'm impressed. Aside from the argument between Ell and Cat and the occasional trans/homophobic two-cents, the vast majority here has been polite, civil, and even those who've argued against transsexuals have at least admitted that they respect them for pursuing their own life goals. It's not close to universal equality, but, still, even a token gesture of understanding is enough in my book to pray for a little sliver of hope in the long run.

 

[B-rad747]

I have no problem with transsexuals. I normally go by "if it makes you happy and doesn't harm any one go a head and do it". Transgenders is where I'm a little fuzzy. I do harbor a little prejudice because of a bad experience with a gender neutral acquaintance. She changed her mind on what she was depending on who she was sleeping with. She went from gay to straight and back to gay several times while I knew her. The time she declared she was gender neutral and became offended when anyone talked about her without using gender neutral pronouns is probably where my prejudice comes from. It might also be that I find it hard to understand the whole transgender culture. I mean if you are a man that dresses like a woman you are still a man. You are what you are.

 

[Manthraxx]

Theres only male and female. Theres no inbetween. The "Transgenders" are just crossdressers with money for fake breasts.

and anyone who doesn't agree with you is a communist...

this is a return-troll

 

[Grand_Arcana]

I'll bite.

I don't have problems associating with Trangenders, or even dating a transwoman (if I met one that's attractive). What I don't understand is why transgender people become so offended when some men and women say "actually no, I don't want to date you". I understand that for some, dating a transgender person conjures too many questions and confusion about one's own sexuality, or sexuality and gender as a whole. For instance, can I honestly call myself a heterosexual if I'd be willing to date one? I'm not so sure, honestly, and while I've never been sexually attracted to a masculine voices, figures, hair, ect. I am attracted to people with an adequate degree of feminine features. At the same time, I think calling myself a tried-true bisexual is too extreme (I guess I'm between 0 and 1 on the Kinsey Scale).

 

[holy_secret]

genderqueer, transgendered and pre-op.

transgenders, transsexuals, genderqueers or other?

I have no problems with genderqueers, two-spirit folks, or even cisgender peopled.

Could you guys enlighten me on what these definitions mean?

 

[SovietSecrets]

If someone thinks they deserve to be a girl as a guy or the other way around, I have no issues.

 

[aegix drakan_v1legacy]

Personally, I think that as long as the person has given the matter serious thought and they are absolutely certain that this is the way they need to be in order to be happy, then they have my support.

Will I consider it a turn off? Yeah, probably, but I can't really help that. But I won't shun someone for being that way. Hell, a friend of mine recently came out about it and I had no issues about it. We're still friends.

So I have no issue with them. At all.

Next thing you know, tomboys will be 'wrong, selfish and immoral' (talk about a double-standard, eh?)

...I like tomboys. If someone says that about them, I will go to their house with my shuriken-and-lightning-gun. >: (

 

[dkyros]

Just saying, "Let the people do what makes them happy" doesn't really cut it in this situation. The fact of the matter is that they are being discriminated against and a google search reveals an article published in February of this year. So even if they 'do what makes them happy', I don't know too many people that are going to be happy about being treated as a second class citizen. Why they get treated like this is bc they aren't the societal norm.

Also, and correct me if I'm wrong I think the DSM IV TR still classifies it as a mental disorder which will make it, I think harder to accept. I say this bc once upon a time the DSM classified homosexuality as a mental disorder, which means that instead of accepting it people were looking to treat and cure it. I think that shows a fundamental absence of acceptance.

Anyway, what do I think? Well you know people are going to do what they want. They are ignorant if they do it and do not expect discrimination at this point in time and I would think for years to come. I however would not be those discriminating, takes too much energy to be hateful and its much easier to be accepting.

Also, on dating one of these people. I don't think I would for the fact that it would be a waste of time. I'm too old to date for fun, and I'm looking for someone that can have children.

 

[CommanderKirov]

Nothing against it, but after the last thread like that popped up on escapist I tried to do some reading in order to understand it more...

And I was left only more confused, is it considered to be a psychological disorder, mental illness, biological mistake? I'm so terribly confused and the internets seem to present many conflicting answers.

Edit:

I feel sorry for these people. Most of them will never be satisfied with their looks, mostly because of how their larynx, hands and bone structure will always betray them. I imagine that makes finding a partner hard, basically you have to rely on fetishists and desperates.

Also what this guy says. QFT

 

[Alordo]

What I find interesting is that everyone jumps on the 'it's their choice' bandwagon, yet immediately throws a hissy fit on someone who has stated they don't like it. Which is that person's choice. So, as long as they agree with your choice, it's acceptable? You need to figure out if someone having an opinion/choice is acceptable or not, people. Because what's good for the goose should be good for the gander. Acceptance or not is a choice people make about quite a few things, be it cars, music, sex, etc. If you respect someone's choice to change their sex, don't play the defender of the weak against someone else who chooses to dislike that choice. Belittling someone else's choice while upholding another's smacks of being a troll and a tard trying to be a hero.

 

[Grand_Arcana]

Nothing against it, but after the last thread like that popped up on escapist I tried to do some reading in order to understand it more...

And I was left only more confused, is it considered to be a psychological disorder, mental illness, biological mistake? I'm so terribly confused.

No one knows for sure because what causes it is currently unknown. It doesn't interfere with one's life like true mental or personality disorders do, so long as they make the transition. The only issue is the issues people have with transgendered folks.

 

[Varchld]

What I find interesting is that everyone jumps on the 'it's their choice' bandwagon, yet immediately throws a hissy fit on someone who has stated they don't like it. Which is that person's choice. So, as long as they agree with your choice, it's acceptable? You need to figure out if someone having an opinion/choice is acceptable or not, people. Because what's good for the goose should be good for the gander. Acceptance or not is a choice people make about quite a few things, be it cars, music, sex, etc. If you respect someone's choice to change their sex, don't play the defender of the weak against someone else who chooses to dislike that choice. Belittling someone else's choice while upholding another's smacks of being a troll and a tard trying to be a hero.

You're reading what they are typing but not really seeing what at least some of them mean.
"It's their choice, unless it harms or oppresses someone else (or sometimes if it's overly destructive)" is what they mean, which is when they cry out against it.

It's a little hypocritical, but there is a distinct line.

 

[feycreature]

I have my opinions on the matter, and I honestly think that anyone who says they wouldn't be just a little bit creeped out at first is full of shit. I know everyone loves to put their liberal hat on when internet time rolls around, but picture this -

Your son comes home and introduces you to his new 'girlfriend' - A post-op tranny. When we speak about equality and rights and all that stuff, we rarely put the situation at hand into our own gardens. Think on that.

That said, I'd never be so rude as to publicly belittle or demean anyone, and I think it no business of mine what someone wishes to do with their own body. But not in my house.

My biological dad is transgendered. People ask me whether I have a problem with it, to which I respond "I'm not sleeping with her." Our relationship hasn't changed. Also, one of my exes was in the process of transitioning when we were going out. I met her as a boy. I had no issue with it, and in the end she broke up with me. At a dance a little while ago I met the most blindingly gorgeous FtM transgendered fella and happily planned to go out on a real date sometime later.

Is that in my own garden enough?

 

[Dana22]

What I find interesting is that everyone jumps on the 'it's their choice' bandwagon, yet immediately throws a hissy fit on someone who has stated they don't like it.

And whats wrong in this ? I will defend your freedom to say whatever the fuck you want, but that doesn't mean I will automatically accept it with politeness, or that it will stop me from saying what I think of you and your opinions.

 

[zehydra]

I have no problem with them at all.

That being said, I have a difficult time calling someone who is physically a "he" a "she".

 

[LuckyClover95]

I think it's fine to dress as another gender and act as another gender, but actually going through operations doesn't seem right :/

 

[Ian Caronia]

What the hell? Okay, I'll tell you right now the only thing I hate/have a problem with is all these fucking confusing classifications! DX

Look, to me, there's pre/post-op individuals- wait a tick
*googles*
Oh! Oh that's what transsexual is! Okay then.

I think that transsexual porn is as gross as gay porn. And...um... Yeah, that's pretty much it. Nothing gross about transsexualism aside from the blatant laziness of the patients' psychiatric treatment and the easy buck the gender-transforming docs make off them.
_I believe that every pre/post-op transsexual needs psychiatric care. They are men and women trapped in the "wrong" body? You tell me that's not something that deserves serious care and I can tell you that, well, I disagree. I don't mean this in an ignorant "they're crazy fuckin' tards, MAN" way. I'm very serious about this. This type of surgery is just like the kind of surgery done on patients who have a severe psychiatric disorder where they hate their limb so much they demand to have it lopped off!
I don't have it out for transsexuals. I have it out for the doctors that don't give a shit to help those people find another way before they go changing themselves.

Actually I don't care about transsexuals themselves. Again, not in a mean way. I don't care if homosexuals get married and I don't care if transsexuals do the same. Doesn't matter to me since it's not hurting anyone really.
_And I thought transgender was the term used for people who are born with both sets of genitalia. I have nothing against them either and I'm sure the porn is gross to me too. See the pattern here?

Now what in the blazing blue fuck is genderqueer, cisgender people, and-no. Unless you're possessed or part of an old Native American tribe the words "two-spirit" should not be used to define you. That's stupid to me.
Anyway, I'm done posting my thoughts! Do I get a cookie?