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Chani07 said:
In the past few days, i've encountered a few topics about transhumanism. I'm talking about human enhancement, augmentations, cybernetic implants, mechanical limbs, and so on.

Here is an article about how the EU confronts this issue through a program called Technolife.
http://singularityhub.com/2010/09/28/eu-confronts-transhumanism-with-technolife-project-video/

But what i want to ask is: what do you think about it? How do you see the future from this point of view?
Ever heard of body-ascension? It's pretty much the same as Transhumanism, mostly concerned with scarring, branding, piercings, tattoos, but also thinks like the "lizard-skin" some people have adapted to them (through surgery) or fitting spikes underneath their skin as "hair" on the head.
If we had cybernetic technology, very close to how it looks in cyberpunk, or Splicing (altering your genes to grow new body-functions), I would do it.
 

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Wouldnt mind a new back, neck, knees and my right ankle as iv kinda screwed all those joints but id never mess with my brain or nervous system.
Replacing your back and neck would most likely require MASSIVE modification to your central nervous system.

I ment more numbing or inhancing it behond the average human i dont want to be super human, just beable to bend would be nice.
To fix those issues, you'd have to replace parts of your spine, which in turn would most likely require patch work to be done on your spinal cord, if not entire sectional replacements (Which they have in today's medicine, in a crude sort of way).

Its a very tough place to work on.

Yeh il wait a bit till it becomes a standard surgery or sounds less likley to go wrong.
Why not just go through spinal fusion on your back? It'll probably even relieve a lot of your neck pain.
Will sound very childish but i hate doctors and id rather have the pain than go though surgeory.
Your going to have a problem getting a cyber spine if you hate Doctors, guy.

Honestly, I'd get that shit taken care of now, before you end up with a degenerative spinal condition like me.
 

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Realitycrash said:
Chani07 said:
In the past few days, i've encountered a few topics about transhumanism. I'm talking about human enhancement, augmentations, cybernetic implants, mechanical limbs, and so on.

Here is an article about how the EU confronts this issue through a program called Technolife.
http://singularityhub.com/2010/09/28/eu-confronts-transhumanism-with-technolife-project-video/

But what i want to ask is: what do you think about it? How do you see the future from this point of view?
Ever heard of body-ascension? It's pretty much the same as Transhumanism, mostly concerned with scarring, branding, piercings, tattoos, but also thinks like the "lizard-skin" some people have adapted to them (through surgery) or fitting spikes underneath their skin as "hair" on the head.
If we had cybernetic technology, very close to how it looks in cyberpunk, or Splicing (altering your genes to grow new body-functions), I would do it.
Yeah, i've heard of it and seen pics and a documentary as well. I have the same opinion about it as i have about transhumanism: people can do whatever they like with their bodies. If they don't survive it (in any way), tough luck. And yes, up to a point, i believe in the survival of the fittest. But only up to a point.
 

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If I could replace my tendons with something synthetic with minimal repercussions, I would do it. I'm all for transhumanism.
Yeah, i have the same thoughts. I have had lots of problems for 10 years now. And even when they seem healthy, something happens and they hurt and swallow. So those i would replace. :D
But i am skeptical about other things related to transhumanism.
 

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AccursedTheory said:
Khaun said:
AccursedTheory said:
Khaun said:
AccursedTheory said:
Khaun said:
AccursedTheory said:
Khaun said:
Wouldnt mind a new back, neck, knees and my right ankle as iv kinda screwed all those joints but id never mess with my brain or nervous system.
Replacing your back and neck would most likely require MASSIVE modification to your central nervous system.

I ment more numbing or inhancing it behond the average human i dont want to be super human, just beable to bend would be nice.
To fix those issues, you'd have to replace parts of your spine, which in turn would most likely require patch work to be done on your spinal cord, if not entire sectional replacements (Which they have in today's medicine, in a crude sort of way).


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Yeh il wait a bit till it becomes a standard surgery or sounds less likley to go wrong.
Why not just go through spinal fusion on your back? It'll probably even relieve a lot of your neck pain.
Will sound very childish but i hate doctors and id rather have the pain than go though surgeory.
Your going to have a problem getting a cyber spine if you hate Doctors, guy.

Honestly, I'd get that shit taken care of now, before you end up with a degenerative spinal condition like me.
Do you have trouble moving or is the pain unbarable so you use a wheel chair, Iv had this back for around 4 years now i cant see it getting worse but iam not a Do you have trouble moving or is the pain unbarable so you use a wheel chair, Iv had this back for around 4 years now i cant see it getting worse but iam not a chiropractor nor have that much knowlegde about the skeletal system other than the names of bones.
 

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Chani07 said:
Realitycrash said:
Chani07 said:
In the past few days, i've encountered a few topics about transhumanism. I'm talking about human enhancement, augmentations, cybernetic implants, mechanical limbs, and so on.

Here is an article about how the EU confronts this issue through a program called Technolife.
http://singularityhub.com/2010/09/28/eu-confronts-transhumanism-with-technolife-project-video/

But what i want to ask is: what do you think about it? How do you see the future from this point of view?
Ever heard of body-ascension? It's pretty much the same as Transhumanism, mostly concerned with scarring, branding, piercings, tattoos, but also thinks like the "lizard-skin" some people have adapted to them (through surgery) or fitting spikes underneath their skin as "hair" on the head.
If we had cybernetic technology, very close to how it looks in cyberpunk, or Splicing (altering your genes to grow new body-functions), I would do it.
Yeah, i've heard of it and seen pics and a documentary as well. I have the same opinion about it as i have about transhumanism: people can do whatever they like with their bodies. If they don't survive it (in any way), tough luck. And yes, up to a point, i believe in the survival of the fittest. But only up to a point.
Not about Darwinism, more about trying to become more than you are, in as many ways as possible. There are mental components to it as well. I study philosophy, for instance.
Most forms of body-ascension don't affect your way to function in any way (an exception might the people with lizard-tongues, which affects your sense of taste I would imagine).
 

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If I can replace limbs or joints for cybernetics and shit. Yes, if I can afford it. My left knee's shit and its pissing me off.
 

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We've had plenty of time to determine the effects of excess in any aspect (mind alteration); why not cyber-tech too (body alteration)?

Though I admit when I first saw the title, I was thinking "Oh no, the furries are coming".
 

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Atmos Duality said:
Though I admit when I first saw the title, I was thinking "Oh no, the furries are coming".
Yeah...though, there's not much difference, is there? I mean, lots of furries have had braces to change the shape of their teeth as kids, or stuck crystalline lenses onto their faces to improve their eyesight or protect themselves from excessive light.

Some of them even aren't content with their own skin, and put artificial skins made of woven plant fibre on top.

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Seriously though, I don't see the problem. The whole point of technology is to extend the influence of the human body, this is no different other than seeming novel at the moment.
 

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Yeah...though, there's not much difference, is there? I mean, lots of furries have had braces to change the shape of their teeth as kids, or stuck crystalline lenses onto their faces to improve their eyesight or protect themselves from excessive light.

Some of them even aren't content with their own skin, and put artificial skins made of woven plant fibre on top.
Funny. Those furries all seemed so...human at the time.
If you excuse me, I have to get back to my personal hell of living as the Omega Man.
 

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Atmos Duality said:
thaluikhain said:
Yeah...though, there's not much difference, is there? I mean, lots of furries have had braces to change the shape of their teeth as kids, or stuck crystalline lenses onto their faces to improve their eyesight or protect themselves from excessive light.

Some of them even aren't content with their own skin, and put artificial skins made of woven plant fibre on top.
Funny. Those furries all seemed so...human at the time.
If you excuse me, I have to get back to my personal hell of living as the Omega Man.
As long as you don't end up as Will Smith in I am Legend. Gah...
 

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I was considering laser eye surgery for a while, until I figured out that I would need to rob approximately 25 convenience stores to come up with enough money. Still, I love the idea of it. I love how we as a species can modify our bodies, to correct flaws, or even have a sex change. I'm an avid transhumanist, and I would download whatever you wish to call the contents of my brain into a machine without a moment of hesitation.
Yet, I fear humanity is doomed. We like to think of ourselves as the dominant species, yet we do not direct our evolution towards even greater perfection. We are still limited by our most basic instincts, hence we produce more offspring than our environment can support, all the while medical advancements increase our lifespans (ie overpopulation and world hunger). We continue to let the alpha male rule instead of the smartest. We have environmental crises that are hardly addressed, because of our inherent disinclination towards cooperation with other tribes/nations/people. We still fight wars out of petty ideological differences. Religion still exists. We rely on finite resources for our economies.
At the same time, the collective knowledge of humanity grows exponentially. We have been to the moon, probes are at the edge of our solar system, we have glanced inside the atom, and inside things that make up the atom, we are developing fusion reactors, we have a world wide communication system, and we have supercomputers that can do calculations that would have been impossible a mere 20 years ago.
What I'm trying to say here is this: transhumanism is a literal term for me. I wish to transcend all the limitations of our species, our instincts, our pitifully limited intellect, our weak senses, our mortality. I truly do see it in this order. Instincts, then intellect, then sensory augmentation, then immortality. Ultimately we will have to do this, as a species, to ward off extinction. Overcome the self, then behold a universe of opportunities.
(man, I read too much Nietzsche...)
 

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As the first prototype of the new race, I say to you: Obey us or be desroyed!
Thank you.
 

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I don't see why articifial enahncements should be a problem.
We already have artificial replacement for lots of stuff, glasses/lenses/corrective eye surgery ehances subpar eyes, artificial hips/knees etc. replace broken/inefficient ones.
Pace makers fix broken hearts (in the non-poetic sense)

Theres drugs that enhances muscle growth, reduces fattigue, reduces pain, increases concentration etc.

Theres plastic surgery and body-modding like tattoos, piercings, and some of the examples from the video that'll alter peoples looks.

Are these people less human?

We already have the stuff, it's just taking steps forward all the time.

Same actually goes for both biometrics.
DNA and fingerprints are beeing used, nkt just by the police, lots of computers have fingerprint readers, the kinect have facial recognition and mood recognition, the airports and borders already use passports, so it's just a matter of having an easier, more efficient way to do what is already beeing done.

And for global mapping.
Scientists are tracking everything from temperature, sea levels, animal populations, human populations, use of electricity, migration, birthrate, weather, income, money spend etc.
Your credit card usage is beeing tracked, your cell phone usage is beeing tracked, your internet usage is beeing tracked.

So i don't see how any of this stuff is new or ground-breakingly sci-fi-ish, it's just steps forward in a direction alrady taken.
 

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Ghost in the Shell anyone?

That being said, I'm all for replacing/upgrading "Certain Body-Parts" with mechanical ones...

"Lazer-Eyes for everyone!!"
 

zehydra

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lol I didn't read the article, but I saw the part:

"Europen Union nations hope to foster meaningful debate on ethics by showing people pop culture and SciFi inspired videos and getting them to comment on an open forum on the internet. Sure, why not, it worked for 4Chan, right? "

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I don't think this author's ever been to 4chan...
 

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I approve of the changing of the human body, if your parents had bad genes, why should you be stuck with them?

Unhappy people with pale skin, extremely short or tall people, ugly people, people with problems getting high grades, retards and disabled people can now all have a say in what their bodies should do and no longer need to be stuck with whatever it is that makes them unhappy.
 

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I wouldn't enhance anything about myself in that way. It only makes me weaker in body and mind. To learn to cope with shortcomings and deal with them for what they are builds a lot more strenght than any enhancement can ever produce.
 

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Sure why not, i'd love to have purple eyes and be able to remember everything, but im guessing if they did come up with this technology, the average joe wouldn't be able to afford it.