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I've been doing some hard thinking for about a couple of years now and I've decided I want to travel to Japan. I've been checking the internets for people who've gone there as tourists to see what kind of budget you need to visit for 2 weeks, a month maybe (I'd really like to travel around the country as opposed to staying in Tokyo)? But most posts are horribly dated. If you've been to Japan (better yet, if you live there) could you give me a rough estimate as to how much money I should carry on myself, how much the trip would cost overall? Assuming I play it safe and I'm not a big spender (I really am not, I'm not thinking of making any major purchase, I assume most money will go on the tickets, lounging and eating whenever I'm on the edge of starving). By the way, this is a long-term plan, I'm thinking late 2013, early 2014.
 

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Johnny Novgorod said:
I've been doing some hard thinking for about a couple of years now and I've decided I want to travel to Japan. I've been checking the internets for people who've gone there as tourists to see what kind of budget you need to visit for 2 weeks, a month maybe (I'd really like to travel around the country as opposed to staying in Tokyo)? But most posts are horribly dated. If you've been to Japan (better yet, if you live there) could you give me a rough estimate as to how much money I should carry on myself, how much the trip would cost overall? Assuming I play it safe and I'm not a big spender (I really am not, I'm not thinking of making any major purchase, I assume most money will go on the tickets, lounging and eating whenever I'm on the edge of starving). By the way, this is a long-term plan, I'm thinking late 2013, early 2014.
You should ask Katatori-Kun [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/profiles/view/Katatori-kun] about this, I think the guy has lived there for years, so he would probably know best.
 

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Helmholtz Watson said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
I've been doing some hard thinking for about a couple of years now and I've decided I want to travel to Japan. I've been checking the internets for people who've gone there as tourists to see what kind of budget you need to visit for 2 weeks, a month maybe (I'd really like to travel around the country as opposed to staying in Tokyo)? But most posts are horribly dated. If you've been to Japan (better yet, if you live there) could you give me a rough estimate as to how much money I should carry on myself, how much the trip would cost overall? Assuming I play it safe and I'm not a big spender (I really am not, I'm not thinking of making any major purchase, I assume most money will go on the tickets, lounging and eating whenever I'm on the edge of starving). By the way, this is a long-term plan, I'm thinking late 2013, early 2014.
You should ask Katatori-Kun [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/profiles/view/Katatori-kun] about this, I think the guy has lived there for years, so he would probably know best.
I guess I'll... link him over here? Thanks!

(PS nice Brave New World reference)
 

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Katatori-kun said:
Good question!
Good answer!

So I've been doing some math but it's a little early to tell how much the overall trip would cost. I have a few other questions... are the Youth Hostels the cheapest lodging option? And what time of the year is best to travel? Can you elaborate on the cheap parts of visiting Japan? I don't have much of a budget to go on, and as a filthy tourist I can spare me anything to do with class or style. I'm aiming at a month's stay tops, or at least 3 weeks (travelling all the way up there for less seems a bit silly). I think my budget could afford the 3000/3500 a night; the more expensive, 21-day JR Pass, some cheapo $5 meals whenever my lifebar's blinking and the airline tickets. And even then that'd be pretty tight. Oh, and I'd like to visit the Shinto temples (do they charge an entry?) spread around the country, plus the historical bits of course. I'm mostly interested in travelling as much as I can, for as long as I can, I guess.
 
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Katatori-kun said:
Beffudled Sheep said:
Katatori-kun said:
I just wanted to ask a quick question of my own since you've been to Japan and (maybe?) know the language.
How difficult is it to learn Japanese?
That depends on a lot. Japanese is very different from English. I find the pronunciation to be quite easy. I find the grammar to be fairly straightforward. I find reading and writing to be nightmarish, even worse than most foreigners do.

It's perfectly possible to attain fluency, but you will have to work at it for years. And that may be an issue, because the most common way for western foreigners to find work in Japan is in the English teaching industry, and if you spend 8 hours a day teaching English then you aren't learning Japanese. It's also trivially easy to get by with basic survival Japanese, and if you start dating a Japanese person then a lot of people find it tempting to let the Japanese person handle all communication.

But if you get stuck by yourself in rural Japan, you'll learn the language fast. You'll end up having to eat pickled shit God never intended to exist and you'll see cockroaches, centipedes and wasps the size of small appliances, but you'll learn your Japanese.
So the spoken language is easier to learn than the written?
Any good ways to learn the language without being trapped in the Japanese country side avoiding wasps built like tanks? I'm a strapped for cash college student so I can't really afford good tutors or anything. And my college doesn't offer Japanese language courses either.
 
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Katatori-kun said:
Beffudled Sheep said:
Katatori-kun said:
Beffudled Sheep said:
Katatori-kun said:
I just wanted to ask a quick question of my own since you've been to Japan and (maybe?) know the language.
How difficult is it to learn Japanese?
That depends on a lot. Japanese is very different from English. I find the pronunciation to be quite easy. I find the grammar to be fairly straightforward. I find reading and writing to be nightmarish, even worse than most foreigners do.

It's perfectly possible to attain fluency, but you will have to work at it for years. And that may be an issue, because the most common way for western foreigners to find work in Japan is in the English teaching industry, and if you spend 8 hours a day teaching English then you aren't learning Japanese. It's also trivially easy to get by with basic survival Japanese, and if you start dating a Japanese person then a lot of people find it tempting to let the Japanese person handle all communication.

But if you get stuck by yourself in rural Japan, you'll learn the language fast. You'll end up having to eat pickled shit God never intended to exist and you'll see cockroaches, centipedes and wasps the size of small appliances, but you'll learn your Japanese.
So the spoken language is easier to learn than the written?
Any good ways to learn the language without being trapped in the Japanese country side avoiding wasps built like tanks? I'm a strapped for cash college student so I can't really afford good tutors or anything. And my college doesn't offer Japanese language courses either.
There's only two things you can do to learn any language:

1) Get a ton of comprehensible input. Listen to (and read) as much Japanese as possible, always pushing yourself to experience more and more difficult language. Note that you have to actually think about what you're hearing, so listening to the Japanese audio track of an anime DVD with English subtitles will not do much for you. And...

2) Produce as much meaningful language as you can. Speak and write Japanese for/with people who will actually understand what you're trying to say.

In the end it all comes down to those two things. Don't trust anyone who says otherwise, and don't listen to web ads promising some secret that linguists "hate". You learn a language by using the language and there is no shortcut to get around that.
Now where do I learn enough of the language in the first place to be able to use it? The most Japanese I "know" is the corrupted fanwank versions that over-zealous english speaking anime fans often use incorrectly.
 

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Katatori-kun said:
But if you get stuck by yourself in rural Japan, you'll learn the language fast. You'll end up having to eat pickled shit God never intended to exist and you'll see cockroaches, centipedes and wasps the size of small appliances, but you'll learn your Japanese.
That is hillarious Ж)

Beffudled Sheep said:
Any good ways to learn the language without being trapped in the Japanese country side avoiding wasps built like tanks? I'm a strapped for cash college student so I can't really afford good tutors or anything. And my college doesn't offer Japanese language courses either.
You should try Rosetta Stone [http://www.rosettastone.eu/learn-japanese] if you can afford it
 
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Hawkeye21 said:
Katatori-kun said:
But if you get stuck by yourself in rural Japan, you'll learn the language fast. You'll end up having to eat pickled shit God never intended to exist and you'll see cockroaches, centipedes and wasps the size of small appliances, but you'll learn your Japanese.
That is hillarious Ж)

Beffudled Sheep said:
Any good ways to learn the language without being trapped in the Japanese country side avoiding wasps built like tanks? I'm a strapped for cash college student so I can't really afford good tutors or anything. And my college doesn't offer Japanese language courses either.
You should try Rosetta Stone [http://www.rosettastone.eu/learn-japanese] if you can afford it
That's a lot more expensive than I remember it being when it first came out. Sadly it isn't an option for my perpetually broke ass. :(
Looks like I'm doomed to be stuck with English until I'm too old to be able to adequately learn another language.
 

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I believe this will shed some light on the subject:
http://www.cracked.com/article_20118_5-things-nobody-tells-you-about-living-in-japan.html
 

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Finally got pushed to make an account to reply to this. I visited Japan (almost exclusively Tokyo) for almost all of April in 2010. It was my first time out of the country, and I had only a SLIGHT passing knowledge of the language. The round-trip ticket (about three months in advance, flying from New Mexico) set me back about $1700. The full trip total cost me about $5,000, but let me elaborate a few things you should know that will save you money.

First, if possible, find a friend who can make the trip as well. My half for the hotel I was staying at (in Shinagawa, three weeks originally) only cost me around $250, split with my friend. For transportation, the first thing you want to do is buy a rail line card. It saves so much time and confusion- you put money on the card and scan it every time you use the subway (which you'll be using alot). You don't even have to take it out of your wallet- I would just sit my ass on the scanner and would be good to go haha.

As for the language, you don't have too worry TOO much inside of Tokyo. While there wasn't nearly as many people who spoke english as I thought there would be, the two of us got by just fine. Your best bet is to snag an english subway map and hit a few areas where you're bound to find some english speakers, and make some friends. Shibuya, Shinagawa, and Roppongi (especially), are your best bets.

For things to avoid...... I'm not sure how much you like the club scene (which is AWESOME in Tokyo), but there are a few ways to avoid spending as much money as I did. One: if you're going to the club (I can tell you how to get to some awesome english-speaking ones) pre-game beforhand. Alcohol in the club is EXTREMELY expensive (unless its happy hour, or "happy day," in which case expect it to be packed wall to wall). I was paying 900 yen for one bottle of Budweiser, wich at the time was about $11. Two: never...... NEVER trust Nigerians. For some reason there are a ton of them in Tokyo, and their whole purpose is to prey on forieners (or gaijin, as you'll learn). They'll offer you what seem like amazing deals, like all you can drink for 1500 yen an hour (less than $20), but don't fall for it. Make some japanese friends and you'll avoid this problem altogether.

All in all, after you've made a few friends who can show you the ropes, don't be afriad to drop money on a new experience. Plan it out a decent time ahead, and make sure to bring more money than you'd ever DREAM of spending. Even if you don't spend it all, you'll always have a fallback. Hell, if I could save up enough in time I'd make the trip again this year too. That month I spent there was the time of my life, and I wish you the best when you get there. Let me know if you have any questions, or want some more advice.
 

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I've been living in Japan for about 10 years now, so here's my two cents.

Vehlm said:
The full trip total cost me about $5,000
This was the amount that popped into my head.

@Katatori-kun has really good advice, although, personally I would avoid Golden Week or Obon (early May & August). Prices for everything sky rocket during those times, & Japan is plenty amazing even in the "off" season.

As for learning Japanese, Katatori-kun is right: the only way to learn a language is to use it. Get a job teaching English over here. Even though you'll be working a full time job, you'll be in the country & you'll have tons more opportunities to use the language.
 

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Katatori-kun said:
Thank you for the incredibly detailed answers. As you post back though I keep coming up with new questions, sorry if I'm pushing it a bit. I read somewhere that it's hard to get a lodge if you're travelling alone? Like the hostels have a high rate of turning down single guests and prefer couples/large parties, for some reason? Oh, also, about the subway card - that's different from the JR Pass, right? Do I need a subway card per metropolis, or can I simply get one to cover all subway lines? Besides nightlife preying on tourists is there some sort of... 'attitude' towards American gaijin? I should've mentioned this earlier, I'm from Argentina, but as a white, blond guy I get mistaken by American in my own country, so obviously they'll take me for one in Japan as well.

Vehlm said:
Well I feel honored to have pulled you off lurking mode and made an account just to answer my one post. Thank you.

I'm amused you make the second person to warn me against Nigerians in Japan. At least I'm glad this sort of thing seems to happen in the form of elaborate traps rather than all-in violent crimes? Traps I can handle. As a bloke from Argentina I'm used to getting punched to the ground and kicked in the face while returning home at night, I wouldn't mind getting conned out of my money for a change.
 

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Beffudled Sheep said:
Hawkeye21 said:
Katatori-kun said:
But if you get stuck by yourself in rural Japan, you'll learn the language fast. You'll end up having to eat pickled shit God never intended to exist and you'll see cockroaches, centipedes and wasps the size of small appliances, but you'll learn your Japanese.
That is hillarious Ж)

Beffudled Sheep said:
Any good ways to learn the language without being trapped in the Japanese country side avoiding wasps built like tanks? I'm a strapped for cash college student so I can't really afford good tutors or anything. And my college doesn't offer Japanese language courses either.
You should try Rosetta Stone [http://www.rosettastone.eu/learn-japanese] if you can afford it
That's a lot more expensive than I remember it being when it first came out. Sadly it isn't an option for my perpetually broke ass. :(
Looks like I'm doomed to be stuck with English until I'm too old to be able to adequately learn another language.
Have I got a perfect solution for you!
*PS: I suck at selling things :p*


www.textfugu.com is specifically designed for Self-study. The first season is free, and it really helped me :3. If you really are low on cash, and without any other option, I highly recommend you at least give Season 1 a try!
 

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Kyoto is wonderful, as long as you aren't arrogant and make some attempt to communicate in Japanese, people will love you (in general). Also, the signs for public transport are in English so it's easy to get around. Kyoto is packed with tourist sites of the historical variety which is great if you like history. Personal favorites are Ginkaku-ji and Honno-ji, the latter being where Oda Nobunaga died. Also, Nintendo HQ is about 11-12 blocks directly south of the major train station. It's a great city to build a trip around, because it's smaller than Tokyo so there isn't quite as much to experience, and it's extremely friendly to foreigners. I can't say enough about how nice the people are. It's also right next to Osaka which is the second largest city in the country.

For food, you can't go wrong with Okonomiyaki, and Katatori-kun is spot on with the prices. If you really want to treat yourself, go to a Korean BBQ place. It's pretty expensive, I think around $30 a person, but really good. If you want to travel, the JR Rail Pass is absolutely what you want to do. Taking the bullet train is crazy expensive otherwise. Just be sure to purchase the pass before you go because it's only available to foreigners.

As for other sights, I've only toured the southern region but Miyajima is gorgeous though probably a tad pricey, Nara is really fun to visit because of the older temples and the deer. Kinosaki-onsen makes a great mid-trip relaxation spot just be sure to do some research beforehand on proper customs of Japanese public baths because they take bathing very seriously and you don't want to be "that guy".

If manga and gaming are your thing, also be sure to visit a chain called "Book-off" because they've got a great selection for pretty cheap. Gaming is more expensive than in America, but manga is dirt cheap. Book-off sells high-quality secondhand manga volumes for only 105 yen and the new stuff is only 250-450 yen. I bought the entire series of Urusei Yatsura (32 volumes) for less than Pokemon Black 2, and the game was tax-free.
 

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majes said:
Kyoto is wonderful, as long as you aren't arrogant and make some attempt to communicate in Japanese, people will love you (in general). Also, the signs for public transport are in English so it's easy to get around. Kyoto is packed with tourist sites of the historical variety which is great if you like history. Personal favorites are Ginkaku-ji and Honno-ji, the latter being where Oda Nobunaga died. Also, Nintendo HQ is about 11-12 blocks directly south of the major train station. It's a great city to build a trip around, because it's smaller than Tokyo so there isn't quite as much to experience, and it's extremely friendly to foreigners. I can't say enough about how nice the people are. It's also right next to Osaka which is the second largest city in the country.

For food, you can't go wrong with Okonomiyaki, and Katatori-kun is spot on with the prices. If you really want to treat yourself, go to a Korean BBQ place. It's pretty expensive, I think around $30 a person, but really good. If you want to travel, the JR Rail Pass is absolutely what you want to do. Taking the bullet train is crazy expensive otherwise. Just be sure to purchase the pass before you go because it's only available to foreigners.

As for other sights, I've only toured the southern region but Miyajima is gorgeous though probably a tad pricey, Nara is really fun to visit because of the older temples and the deer. Kinosaki-onsen makes a great mid-trip relaxation spot just be sure to do some research beforehand on proper customs of Japanese public baths because they take bathing very seriously and you don't want to be "that guy".

If manga and gaming are your thing, also be sure to visit a chain called "Book-off" because they've got a great selection for pretty cheap. Gaming is more expensive than in America, but manga is dirt cheap. Book-off sells high-quality secondhand manga volumes for only 105 yen and the new stuff is only 250-450 yen. I bought the entire series of Urusei Yatsura (32 volumes) for less than Pokemon Black 2, and the game was tax-free.
You hit all the spots I'd love to visit. I'm definetely going to Kyoto, and I'm SO spending at least a full day inside Book Off. I'm a huge used books freak. I went to NYC last March and I stopped by the Strand Bookstore at least once a day for two weeks. I'm sure I'll love it. Also, is there an English section in Book Off, or is everything in Japanese? I might get a new console near the end of the journey, if the money's right and I can carry the extra luggage. The Nintendo HQ is another must-stop, do they do guided tours there? Also, do shrines charge an entry fee (how much)? And are there explanatory signs to go along with then?
 

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Hi Johnny,

I'm just back from a 2 week trip to Japan where I visited Tokyo, Kyoto and Hakone and I can recommend all three. Also, all are easy to travel to as well. I've added my blog below as it actually covers the two weeks there and it might give you some ideas about where to go and what to do. I also have a guide i wrote up if you're interested as well. In terms
of money, I probably spent about £1000 - £1500 for the two weeks but that includes the bullet train, good hotels, sightseeing and shopping as well. I will say that you can live fairly cheaply as well, if you want.

If you have any questions or want any advice, just message me (though everyone seems to have brilliant advice). I'll leave you with this: going to Japan was the best thing I have ever done.


http://robbe-basford.blogspot.com/
 

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Johnny Novgorod said:
I've been doing some hard thinking for about a couple of years now and I've decided I want to travel to Japan. I've been checking the internets for people who've gone there as tourists to see what kind of budget you need to visit for 2 weeks, a month maybe (I'd really like to travel around the country as opposed to staying in Tokyo)? But most posts are horribly dated. If you've been to Japan (better yet, if you live there) could you give me a rough estimate as to how much money I should carry on myself, how much the trip would cost overall? Assuming I play it safe and I'm not a big spender (I really am not, I'm not thinking of making any major purchase, I assume most money will go on the tickets, lounging and eating whenever I'm on the edge of starving). By the way, this is a long-term plan, I'm thinking late 2013, early 2014.
Hi there. I live in Japan and have been doing so for almost 5 months now. I'm currently living in Kyoto, but I'll be moving to just outside of Tokyo in a month's time from now.

I can write a heap load of stuff to you, but best to do it by PM rather than on a forum, but I'll give you a basic heads up.

- Most places in Japan DON'T accept credit cards. They only accept cash. So enter the country with cash, preferrably a big wad of cash so you don't have to withdraw from the bank often (which incurs lots of overseas charges). Luckily, if you're only staying in Japan for 2 weeks, this isn't a big problem.

-The cost of where you're staying depends on what kind of place you want to stay. If you're staying in a hotel, I suggest you google places. When I first travelled to Japan 2 years ago, I went to hostals in Kyoto. Very good. They cost between 1500-2400 yen per night. To find out how much that is in your currency, check out the converter here.

http://www.expedia.co.uk/p/currency-converter

You should find hostels equals very cheap, but of course you'll likely be sharing a room with other people.

- Regarding food, the cheapest places eating out, on average, are between 400-850yen a meal. These are usually places such as Sukiyaki, Nakau, etc. Places that sell rice or noodle dishes (I personally find these places rather tasty). Generally, sushi places will cost more. At least 1200 for a decent meal. More expensive sushi places cost amounts of money that will make your wallet cry.

- Buying food to cook is a mixed bag. It can be either super cheap, or super expensive. You will find that western food, in supermarkets, go through the roof. Blocks of cheese, for instance, are inexistant in Japan. pizzas cost a bomb most places (We're talking 2500yen at the cheapest, but regularly cost 4000yen on average). However, if you like rice or noodle dishes, there are plenty of places where you can buy the ingrediants for these meals for just 200-500 yen a go. Again, check out the converter to get an idea.

- Regarding travel, the best way to travel around the country is by train. There is a special train ticket you can buy PRIOR to entering Japan, that can be either 2 weeks or more, unlimited travel on just about any train in Japan (including the bullet train) for a set price. Someone once told me it was about £250, but I don't know if it costs more or less than that now, 2 years later. If you're seriously thinking of going around the whole of Japan, I highly recommend you check the internet about this ticket).

So, if you want to know how much it cost me per day, I would say, in Kyoto, I bought an all day bus ticket for 500 yen, spent about 1000-1400yen on food per day, and about 2000 average per night at a hostel. That's on average 3500-4000yen a day. Use the calc to find out how much that is in your country. This is living in Kyoto though, NOT Tokyo. So, 42000-48000yen over 2 weeks.

However, this REALLY depends on what kind of food you like to eat. Because I'll eat just about anything, sometimes I was spending less than 1000 a day on food. But if you like quality foods.... you could be spending a heck of a lot more.

FINALLY, take into account what you're wanting to do over there. If you're looking to going sightseeing a lot, find out how much places charge. Going to shrines, or historical places cost me about 300-600 entry fees each time.

Oh, yeah, if you do come, don't forget to give me a shout. If I'm still in Japan by the time you come over, I'll see if I can help make your time easier/ better here. Maybe we can meet up. Any more questions, give me a PM (or ask them on this thread if you'd prefer).

Regarding Kyoto, it's a fantastic place to go to in terms of safety, and if you love temples and shrines, you'll have a field day here. The people are generally pleasant, and a fair few people know English. The ones that don't, it's easy to get or do anything i.e. order foot, etc, but simply pointing or using hand gestures.
 

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Blondefool said:
Hi Johnny,

I'm just back from a 2 week trip to Japan where I visited Tokyo, Kyoto and Hakone and I can recommend all three. Also, all are easy to travel to as well. I've added my blog below as it actually covers the two weeks there and it might give you some ideas about where to go and what to do. I also have a guide i wrote up if you're interested as well. In terms
of money, I probably spent about £1000 - £1500 for the two weeks but that includes the bullet train, good hotels, sightseeing and shopping as well. I will say that you can live fairly cheaply as well, if you want.

If you have any questions or want any advice, just message me (though everyone seems to have brilliant advice). I'll leave you with this: going to Japan was the best thing I have ever done.


http://robbe-basford.blogspot.com/
Well I'm definitely getting psyched from all the advice and recommendations. Thanks for the input, I checked out part 4 of your blog and saw you went to the Ghibli Museum! How much does a ticket cost? The official site says I have to buy one in advance at "Lawson"? Can't I just buy one at the museum? Also, could you give me an estimate as to the price of admission for the Hama Rikyu Gardens? I'm travelling on a very tight budget and I would like to be able to account for all the activities I'm planning along... is it possible to get a tour of the Nintendo/Sony HQs?