Trilogy's--bad things come in threes

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RentCavalier

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Ladies, Gentleman, Gentleman pretending to be ladies, let me--for a moment--take a break from my usually blindly optimistic reviews of the latest hot releases to take a moment to review something a little larger--Hollywood, franchises, and more importantly, franchises based around trilogies.

This could be seen as a follow-up to my Indiana Jones Review, as I've had a good while to mull over the film, and others like it. Also, I'm considering, in lieu of the upcoming Etrian Odyssey sequel, to post a review of the first one. Would anyone be interested in reading one? I'd like to know.

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Hollywood's biggest blockbusters of late have been one of two things--adaptations of popular comic books or novels, or else sequels to 70's and 80's franchises long thought dead. Remakes also fall into the second category.

But I've never understood something. Why is it that, when somebody decides to build a franchise, they build a franchise into the form of a trilogy? When have trilogies been proven to be the best way to do sequels? Why are trilogies so god damn popular?

Pirates of the Carribbean is a swell example. The original movie is a wonderful film. It's action-packed, funny, and had a wide-reaching scope. It sat comfortably with just about every audience, because there was something for everyone. For adults, it was a gritty story with interesting characters, violence, and a sense of realism behind it. For younger, post-fetal spawn, there was magic, skeletons, pseudo-musical moments, and plenty of laughs. The movie walked a narrow line, but it walked it well, with a drunken, ambling swagger, and proved itself to be the most popular movie of the year.

Two years later, by popular demand, we came to know that a sequel was being made. But not just any sequel, nay--the second movie would, in fact, be the second chapter in an eventual trilogy! Fans poured in from either side, vitrolic and furious on one, hopeful and optimistic on the other, and everyone started raving about how it was our generation's Star Wars.

The movies came and went, and what was left in their wake was sheer, unbridled disappointment. There were a lot of aspects of the original PotC film that were ill-suited for a large, continuous plot. For one, the story effectively was over at the end. Every plotline was resolved, the villains were dead or brought to justice, and the heroes all reached happy mediums that allowed them to exit the stage without ambiguity. Because the ending was, in fact, so nicely brought together, in order to justify a sequel, shit had to change. The neat romance of Orlando Bloom and Keira Knightly was challenged, twisted, wrenched apart and redone with all the extra angst and guilt and whatnot that was wonderfully absent from the original, and Captain Jack Sparrow turned from a lovable rouge to a manipulative, self-serving git. This, of course, is a symptom of a disease known as "unintended star syndrome" where a SUPPORTING CHARCTER (all caps, yes, but Jack Sparrow was, in the original, a supporting charcater) is made into the star/lead role of a sequel due to his popularity. This bothered me a fair bit, because Jack Sparrow was the perfect supporting character. He was the balance to draw attention away from the inherent sappiness that is present in the hero archetype--he was darker, edgier, wackier and more over the top, providing great instances of comic relief and he also was a great plot device, constantly being a sort of literary juice mixer to blend seperate characters and plotlines together in order to make the movie cohesive. He was, in a way, a better version of Han Solo, and this worked because the story was NOT about him. He was a very large part, as he was the principal supporting character, but he was not the main character. Will was. Orlando Bloom, rather. HE was the main character, he was the main plot device, he was the one who made the story happen, and Jack Sparrow SUPPORTED that, DROVE that, and thus, he was a great SUPPORTING character.

So, when the last two films of the trilogy focused on HIS exploits, HIS antics, I found myself at a loss, because in order to make Jack Sparrow more interesting and dynamic--more of a main character--he had to be altered. He was no longer a lovable rouge, he was a conflicted, self-serving **** who seemed to delight in backstabbing everyone he could for no better reason than just because he cared only about himself. Throw in some insipid love triangle between him and Keira Knightly and Orlando Bloom and the movie just about fell apart, because the main formula was altered. The easily accessible PotC film was changed into a dark, convoluted and almost obnoxiously NERDY epic, involving more monsters, more magic, and far, far less realism or believability, to the degree that even DEATH wasn't a threat to these people anymore. Literally, people die and it doesn't really seem to stop them. I mean, has the threat of death REALLY become so passe that it just isn't enough to justify danger? The ending of the second PotC movie doesn't really help matters because it also rips off Empire Strikes Back to a fucking T. Jack Sparrow/Han Solo apparantly dies/gets frozen in cryptonite (essentially the same thing), which leads the erstwhile "protagonists" to seek out and rescue him from Davy Jones' Locker/Jabba the Hutt.

This sets up the third movie in both respective trilogies, but while Star Wars had the sense of restraint to keep the main focus (kill the Empire) prevalent throughout the trilogy, PotC, being forced into a cohesive plot when it really shouldn't have been, had no greater focus. We didn't really know who the bad guys were, what the ultimate goal is, and the fact of the matter is, by the end of the third movie, you are hopelessly lost. In fact, the only way to enjoy the third movie is to watch it a second time, because now that you know what happens, you can try desperately to figure out WHY. The trilogy collapses upon itself UTTERLy by the third movie because, in its impatience, the narrative loses everything that made the first movie great in the first place. The lamentable fact was, if they DIDN'T try to make it a trilogy--if they, instead, opted to make it like Indiana Jones, a series of seperate adventures involving the same characters--the movies would have been much better. Alas.

On the subject of Indiana Jones, it was a great unintentional trilogy. The film makers never TRIED to make it a trilogy, a trilogy just sort of happened, and it works because the stories are really just three seperate movies with the same characters, and each one is brilliant--even Temple of Doom has some truly excellent moments. Now, twenty years later, they decide to make a sequel for absolutely no reason besides curiosity or desperation. Desperation, certainly, on George Lucas' part, because the man has proved time and time again that he actually serves no purpose in existence except to make things that we all HATE. The fact that Star Wars, the original trilogy, is so damned good has turned out to be the exception, not the rule, and not even Spielberg can really prevent Indiana Jones from putting the final nail in its own coffin, and cracking the wood in the process. The newest Indiana Jones flick has, effectively, ended the series. if they do try to go anywhere with it, the result will be trashy, stupid and even more half-hearted than before. But, at least Indiana Jones had the decency to wait twenty years before killing itself. PotC never even let itself get that old--all hopes of it becoming a classic franchise have been killed by its stupid attempt to be a trilogy, which returns us to the point of: Why a trilogy?

The Matrix had to be a trilogy. Why? Who knows. I never saw it coming--a sequel seemed unneccessary, but break it down far enough and there's actually some really good storytelling behind it. The Matrix at least keeps a focus throughout the series, complicating things only enough to keep them interesting, and ends on a cheesy, but relatively deep note. Sure, the original film's extremely deep symbolism and allegory gets muddied a bit, and stretched out too far, but at the end it is certainly still there, and we got the Animatrix out of it, which is simply brilliant, but why a trilogy? The original didn't NEED a sequel. It was a one-shot action movie, and in that regard it was brilliant. Why keep going? If the only reason to continue a story is for it generate profit, than it is a poor reason to do so. Stories are written to be complete, to say what they have to say and then leave. If you try to take a story and stretch it out, the end result is something like the Wheel of Time series, which became so ponderous that I couldn't read past the fifth book--but if something takes more than five books to tell me something, I start to doubt just how interested I am in really finding out what that something is.

Star Wars was a trilogy, fine. That worked. Honest to God it did, even if Return of the Jedi was mostly idiotic, it still bloody worked, because the entire trilogy resolves the major plotlines--Luke Skywalker becomes a Jedi, and the evil Empire is defeated. It takes three movies, but it happened, and it worked. The prequel trilogy SHOULD have worked, but it didn't. Why? We can blame the acting and the writing, sure, but the honest answer is because it was unneccessary. It really was. Look, there have BEEN prequels to Star Wars written. There have even been sequels. They are called the Extended Universe, and they fill comic books, novels, video games, etc. They fill in gaps, they tell us what we want to know, and most of them do it FAR better than the prequel movies did. Boba Fett, for example, has a very well-written backstory told across a number of books which is almost completely washed out by Lucas' films, which add so much idiotic, inconsequential fluff that they fail to really do more than show off how fucking PRETTY we can make compuertized images look.

What about Lord of the Rings? That was a trilogy, and it was brilliant, but the ONLY reason it was was because the story itself has survived 70+ years and retained an extremely healthy fanbase. The story itself WAS a novel, it WAS intended to be a trilogy from the get-go, and J.R.R. Tolkein did the hard part for us by already giving us the story beforehand. All Peter Jackson had to do was film it and make sure it didn't lose any of its original beauty, and thank heavens for him, because it didn't and it worked.

We don't NEED trilogies. We don't need sequels. Really, we don't. PotC didn't. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade didn't. Hell, it was even called the LAST CRUSADE. Last, being the key word. The Matrix didn't. Movies only need sequels--no, STORIES only need sequels if there is a legitimate reason for them, if there is still a story left to tell, and if that story can expand or enhance the original. That is the only reason we need to make a sequel out of anything, ever, period. I mean, god damn, LOOK at video games. Seriously? 13 Final Fantasy games? Of those, only 5 are actually worth your time--those 5 are VI, VII, IX, X (arguably) and XII. MAYBE IV, but I really don't see what the big fucking deal about FFIV is. That means that there are eight other entries in the series that aren't really neccessary. The first game is, hell, it's basically just a better version of Dragon Warrior! And the Dragon Warrior...sorry, Dragon QUEST series is arguably better than the Final Fantasy series, because if you can stomach the cumbersome menu system, you'll find that each iteration expands the original formula while retaining the basic things that made the games good in the first place, and it does it with a "story arc" format that genuinely works.

I apologize for how long this has been. If you've sat through all of it, you are truly a person of high caliber. Ultimately, my point is this: We need to stop thinking everything needs a sequel. We need to stop fucking making Trilogies. Hell, even the HOBBIT is getting a sequel--it's getting two movies! I have news for you--the Hobbit HAS a sequel, and it's called the FELLOWSHIP OF THE FUCKING RINGS.

Stop making trilogies. Stop driving every good idea into the ground for profit. Stop trying to have too much of a good thing. I know nobody important is going to read this, but you all might, and you all are the folks that encourage them to do this, because you all--we all, because I'm just as guilty--will go out and WATCH Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, we'll watch Attack of the Clones, we'll watch Matrix Revolutions, we'll watch Pirates of the Carribbean: At World's End, we will DO IT, and until we stop, they are going to keep pulling the same shit over and over again until anything we once valued in movies, in stories, in ANYTHING is driven into the ground and beaten to fucking DEATH.
 

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Bravo!, At least someone here has the stones to admit he hates trilogies.
I love the second last paragraph, and that your last paragraph speaks to me in more ways than one.
 

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I enjoy trilogies, it means the set has a definite beginning , middle, and end. I enjoyed the Pirates of the Carribean movies 1 ,2 ,and 3. Things like books movies, games, etc. are meant to be enjoyed for thier strengths. Pirates of the carribean had funny lines, interesting swordplay, and great effects. I'm not going to crap my brains out because story-wise they didn't need to be continued, I never saw that as a strength. Will you say all mario games past the first one are crap because after Mario saves Peach the story doesn't need to continue? of course not. we don't play the Mario games for story, Just as people don't watch Pirates of the Carribean for story as much as they do for its effects,action, and overall funniness. While some are crappified by being quick cash-ins, not all trilogys are bad.

Also try to curse less when typing and condense your thoughts I only had time to read the top and bottom and skim some of the rest, but finding an curse word every other line doesn't help anyone take you seriously seeing as anyone can curse on the internet or related services because of its mass anonimity.
 

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Trilogies are actually pretty simple to fan out.

(The same applies for games - hello dues ex)First Movie sold well, everyone thought it was the best movie ever and they want another one exactly like it to win their hearts again.

Second movie sucks. Really just sucks. Sucks really bad. Hatred cannot even begin to define it. In reality, the second movie wasn't bad at all, but the producers wanted to change some One thing and all the hardcore fans thought the series was ruined.

So, they make a third movie to redeem themselves, they resort to doing Exactly what everyone liked in the first one and end up making a movie that was a little better than the second one but still "nowhere near as good" as the original.

Sometimes, the second and third movies could have been seen and loved the same by someone who never saw the first, as they aren't expecting that more of the same.
 

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tagMaverick said:
Second movie sucks. Really just sucks. Sucks really bad. Hatred cannot even begin to define it. In reality, the second movie wasn't bad at all, but the producers wanted to change some One thing and all the hardcore fans thought the series was ruined.

So, they make a third movie to redeem themselves, they resort to doing Exactly what everyone liked in the first one and end up making a movie that was a little better than the second one but still "nowhere near as good" as the original.
Except, of course, in the case of Star Wars and Rocky.

Anyways, I may be all alone, but I understood and enjoyed Pirates 2 and 3 the first time through. But aside from that I agree with everything you said.
 

MrMisfit

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Let us not forget the Terminator trilogy. God, what a mistake that 3rd movie was!
 

RentCavalier

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MrMisfit said:
Let us not forget the Terminator trilogy. God, what a mistake that 3rd movie was!
I had forgotten that. You know though, retrospectively, Terminator 2 wasn't all that great either.
 

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I agree with all of this...apart from the recent indian jones movie. I think it was very well done. A bit over the top, mind you, but once you get over the fact that indian can survive a nucleur explosion by climbing into a fridge (I'm honestly not joking) then anything is possible, and the movie becomes much more fun. Its certainly better than temple of doom, if not the other 2 films, and is deffintly worth seeing.

I agree that a lot of really fantastic movies have been spoilt by their sequels. But one that you didn't mention, but has been an even bigger disappointment than Pirates is Shriek. Poor, poor shriek. I could just about stand Shriek 2 but Shriek the 3rd is one of the worst movies I've ever seen at the cinema, only just missing out on the top stop because I saw Hulk years earliar.
 

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I agree, Some trilogies are just plain unnecessary, some are just needed because the whole story can't be told in one movie, and some franchises just fuck it up because they try too hard.
TagMaverick put it perfectly; the way he described it is excactly the way it goes with (almost) every trilogy ever made.

However, I don't agree with you on th Matrix; there was a whole city going to be destroyed, a prophecy had to be fulfilled. They just found the guy who could save them. Not finishing the story would leave all the fans utterly infuriated.

I do applaud you on the long post, I read the whole thing through and recognise a lot actually happening with both movies and games. I myself am guilty of numerous sequel cravings, like Jade Empire and Fable.
Although the rule specifies these should fail miserably since the story is finished and sequels are usually less good than their predecessors, people never stop hoping that this might be the exception to the rule. And if not, you can still call the developers rude names and go back into your nostalgic state and play the original.
 

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One thing I noticed while during the trials and tribulations of my life is that trilogies work if they don't start out to be a trilogy. The set of books 'Tales of the Otori' by Liarn hearn are a perfect example of a trilogy. Each book can stand out on its own without having to rely on the previous books as a back story. Also the 'Deed of Paksenarrion' by Elizabeth Moon really does work as a trilogy also. I can't think of a single video game series that has the same depth to a sequel that those books have. Except maybe half life.

The main problem is that when a film becomes successful it has to live up to expectations if a sequel is made. And as films make lots of money and cost lots of money, producers don't like to risk. With risk could come the price of failure, which is something the movie producers really are not ready to try. Name a sequel that's better than the first? Not going to happen, because it will always be based on the first, and won't have the fascination factor that original movies can control. Trilogies can work, but only if you don't set out to make a trilogy, if you set out to make a film, then another film, if it makes a trilogy, great! Stop there if the story is over, if the ideas have stopped. If they haven't, then keep going. Some say three is the magic number, but I think that 3 is the number of the desperate, the capitalist.
 

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Gotta hand it to Cavalier, you're a good writer. Maybe lay off the CAPS a little, but still, a very well-written piece never-the-less. According to me, of course.

As for your content, I must say that I agree with you. Trilogies only work if the different parts can hold their own and fit into the bigger picture. In that regard, many sequels fail, and thus, Hollywood rakes in the money while the consumer walks away without any gain.
 

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Sennz0r said:
However, I don't agree with you on th Matrix; there was a whole city going to be destroyed, a prophecy had to be fulfilled. They just found the guy who could save them. Not finishing the story would leave all the fans utterly infuriated.
But none of that prophecy business/city destruction bit was in the original Matrix. I did mention that the storyline for the trilogy was good, yes, but the only sequel the Matrix needed was the Animatrix--compared to how bloody brilliant that thing is, the other two fall a fair bit short.

Rewatching the trilogy, though, makes me appreciate it more. There IS a good story being told, tying in with the excellence of the Animatrix, but the major flaw is the writing--in Revolutions it's fine because every sentence is an epic statement, which keeps things simple, but in Reloaded? Jesus Christ, every character has a monologe, but those monologes say NOTHING. There is actually no plot advancement in what they are saying, and if there IS, it is so cumbersomely delivered that if it wasn't for one character (Neo) idiotically repeating the main point of every sentence he hears, we would have no clue what's going. Hell, there are places where I STILL don't know what was going on. The Matrix isn't so bad a trilogy as much as it is just poorly written.
 

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Actually the prophecy WAS mentioned. The destruction of the city wasn't I'll grant you that, but Morpheus did talk about a prophecy that needed to be fulfilled. Else I wouldn't know why they'd search for Neo in the first movie in the first place. Seems a bit weird to shoot a whole movie about finding and training one person and you don't get to know why they do all that.
 

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Sennz0r said:
Actually the prophecy WAS mentioned. The destruction of the city wasn't I'll grant you that, but Morpheus did talk about a prophecy that needed to be fulfilled. Else I wouldn't know why they'd search for Neo in the first movie in the first place. Seems a bit weird to shoot a whole movie about finding and training one person and you don't get to know why they do all that.
But we didn't need to. End of the movie, Neo's like "We're going to open these people's eyes"

Or something like that. Yes, they could have made a sequel, but it was NOT neccessary, and the sequels themselves just weren't as entertaining as the original. They were drawn out, overly full of themselves, and ultimately just excuses for the Wachowskis to make even sillier special effects.

Of course, I say that, but I like Speed Racer.

...don't judge me!
 

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The thing about the original Matrix is the ending did fulfill the prophecy. Neo was able to control the Matrix on a level not possible by even the machines that created it. What was irritating about the sequels was it fell into a rut that is very well known in the anime crowd. Neo reached the ultimate level, but we want more. I know, let's make Neo inexplicably less powerful in the next movie and introduce an even more powerful enemy just to keep things interesting. Neo went from being able to stop bullets and literally delete machine constructs in the Matrix to an extended sword fight scene that had no purpose other than just to add an action sequence.

Neo was too powerful for his own good after The Matrix finished, which doesn't bode well for any sequels.
 

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Sorry the Speed Racer thing is gonna cost ya :p
Well yeah I guess it would have kept the mystery out there but hey if you can muster an attention span longer than with your average hollywood movie you might appreciate all the great theories that the Matrix put out there. It's actually a sci-fi version of Plato's allegory of the cave (without the whole Zion's gonna be destroyed thing)
Yes, Reloaded was the duller one of the three, but that's always the case with trilogies; Good, bad, bit better but not as good as the first.

Ah well, all comes down to if you dig the franchise or not, and I'm not a big fan of sequels either, but hey, the Matrix had some of the best fighting and special effects I've ever seen in a movie.
 

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LaughingTarget said:
The thing about the original Matrix is the ending did fulfill the prophecy. Neo was able to control the Matrix on a level not possible by even the machines that created it. What was irritating about the sequels was it fell into a rut that is very well known in the anime crowd. Neo reached the ultimate level, but we want more. I know, let's make Neo inexplicably less powerful in the next movie and introduce an even more powerful enemy just to keep things interesting. Neo went from being able to stop bullets and literally delete machine constructs in the Matrix to an extended sword fight scene that had no purpose other than just to add an action sequence.

Neo was too powerful for his own good after The Matrix finished, which doesn't bode well for any sequels.
Yeah I had this discussion a lot with people when the 2nd movie came out; went something like this:

"When the main character, the chosen one and all that, tells "the powers that be" that he's going to unleash people's minds and then FLIES AWAY... well _it's over_ and _that's that_.. I don't really need to *see* how exactly that all goes down.. I can imagine much more amazing things than they can shoot/generate/dream up.."

That being said, the many-smiths fight was cool, as was the final "rain let's us show cool trails" fight was too. There's around 45 minutes of solid coolness spread out across the 2nd and 3rd movies, and that's pretty good. The first movie honestly feels kinda 'slow' when you go back to watch them all again.

I blame George Lucas for the trilogy thing.. how about we just make movies, see how they're received and IF POSSIBLE revisit their 'worlds' in a sequel?
 

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What's wrong with Speed Racer? I liked Speed Racer....then again I liked the original cartoon Mach Go Go Go!...(Speed Racer's name in Japan...wow I'm a damn dork)

Where I agree that Trilogies aren't needed, they do work when they're not. It can be argued that Episode IV could stand alone with out the other movies... All important plot lines get tied up in the end of that one, it's only with the advent of the other movies that other arc's get opened up
 

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Isaac Dodgson said:
What's wrong with Speed Racer? I liked Speed Racer....then again I liked the original cartoon Mach Go Go Go!...(Speed Racer's name in Japan...wow I'm a damn dork)

Where I agree that Trilogies aren't needed, they do work when they're not. It can be argued that Episode IV could stand alone with out the other movies... All important plot lines get tied up in the end of that one, it's only with the advent of the other movies that other arc's get opened up
Which is why I said that the original Star Wars is almost a fluke, because it works really well. I mean, the Empire is NOT defeated in the first one--it loses a huge superweapon and a lot of morale, but it is far from dead, and we see in the second movie just how bad-ass the Empire is when they go after the Rebels with a vengeance...only to be defeated by teddy bears in the final movie.

<_<
 

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LaughingTarget said:
The thing about the original Matrix is the ending did fulfill the prophecy. Neo was able to control the Matrix on a level not possible by even the machines that created it. What was irritating about the sequels was it fell into a rut that is very well known in the anime crowd. Neo reached the ultimate level, but we want more. I know, let's make Neo inexplicably less powerful in the next movie and introduce an even more powerful enemy just to keep things interesting. Neo went from being able to stop bullets and literally delete machine constructs in the Matrix to an extended sword fight scene that had no purpose other than just to add an action sequence.
Neo was too powerful for his own good after The Matrix finished, which doesn't bode well for any sequels.
Totally agree with this. At the end of the first Matrix film, it would seem Neo is untouchable. He's just stopped bullets by thinking it, he's just jumped inside Smith and basically obliterated him out of existance, and then he flies off into the clouds. How is it possible to make him more impressive?

The problem with making the sequel is the first fight scene had me completely baffled.
I believe they are at a meeting or something, and suddenly along come some agents, and a fight scene ensues. After seeing him stop bullets in the final minutes of the first one, we then see that the agents are actually holding their own against him. Afterwards he mutters 'upgrades' - or words along those lines.

Does anyone else just find this retarded, or just me? He's realised he's the one, he's just overcame death by shooting, then single handedly ass-raped agent Smith. I must admit I walked into the cinema a little confused as to how they would keep me in awe of Neo's powers. Sure there were some intense, incredible fight scenes - like the one with the multiple smiths in the playground, but I was just left disappointed. It's like they dumbed down Neo's powers, simply to make more money from another two films.

P.S. RentCavalier: excellent post dude, read it all, and agree completely with everything you said.