TV News & "Expert" Blame Violent Games For Teen Killer

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Arec Balrin

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Has anyone noticed how these teen killers are always obsessed with crap games?

They're never reported to own a copy of or play a Valve game and for all the DIY hidden blades on Youtube, people fixated on Assassin's Creed don't ever use them for murderising.

Revelation: CRAP games cause crime. Crap games should be banned and publishers forced to only push a developer for release when they're actually done. I'm sure we can all agree.
 

DarksideFlame

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And the wave of old idiots attacking new trends they don't understand with vague or no evidence at all to back their claims just keeps continuing...Well, ain't that just fucking fantastic?

I think Mark Petric is still blinded by the loss of his wife and kid to see the facts that he and he his wife probably screwed up on being responsible parents

off-topic:

Captcha: reducifi 2001.

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MaxwellEdison

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Hal10k said:
"Chalmers went on to blame the rise of juvenile crime on 'the rap music', and the fall of Troy on the written word."
Quoting just to keep that one going XD

OT: Anyone who can honestly think that Halo turns you into a violent madman frightens me.
 

roguetrooper96

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"and he claims that the boy had two of the "top ten causes" of teen shootings: depression and "an obsession with violent media/videogames.""
Fuck me... I never knew I was a killer in training -_-
 

Wandrecanada

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Did anyone else not read the part about his father being a pastor and the son running away from home? When a child runs away from home and takes with him an artifact designed to immerse you in another reality... doesn't that set off any red flags? Especially in a home where one of the parents is a community leader with strong socially conservative image?

Any child psychologist worth their salt would immediately check for child abuse.
 

Fbuh

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You cannot take a depressed person's ooutlet away from them. They become violent.
 
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Guys, calm down and read the article again.

[HEADING=1]IF SOMEONE IS ALREADY MENTALLY ILL, VIOLENT VIDEOGAMES ARE ABSOLUTELY SOMETHING THAT CAN SEND THEM OFF THE DEEP END.[/HEADING]

Note that this guy isn't blaming violent videogames, he was blaming the kid's OBSESSION with violent videogames. There's a huge difference. And it sounds like the kid WAS obsessed. That's not the game's fault, but I don't think anyone is saying that it IS.
 

TitanAtlas

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I blame bad parenting. Games don't make you violent... hell ive played the scariest games and the most violent games (from GTA, to the twisted metals and more), and i never became a violent person... why?

Because my parents, teached me the difference between virtual worlds and reality and the consequences of you're actions in both, with strong karmic values that allow me to make a distinction between good and evil...

Better yet, even tough they're christians (ive been baptized), they always told me the different religions, in a hopes i would find my own path, with a religion i felt more connected with (even tough i don't belive much in religion and prefer science, i still like buddism).


Also the kid could have mental problems. What i mean, is that if the kid had some kind of compulsive behavior that could also lead to bad results if not controlled...
 

Scout Tactical

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SamuraiShinrai said:
Seems like this guy would fit right in with fox news.
Or any news source, really.

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Various (popularized by Mark Twain)

It is easiest to profit off of stories surrounding hysteria-- especially if you can make it look like people are supposed to be afraid of something in their own home. You best believe people were profiting off of hysteria stories that your neighbor might be a communist back in the Cold War.
 

Twilight_guy

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He he exhibits obsession and an affinity for violent material not to mention the kind of explosive rage that would lead him to think killing is a proper response to parental punishment, then yeah he's a nut-job. The particular form of media doesn't matter though the fact that he was ticking time bomb that used violence as an outlet is what matters. The guy was screwy. I'm sure he probably watched violent TV and movie too but nobody points to a specific movie or show and blames them. That's just a myopic view of trying to pigeonhole the problem on one concrete item. He was a fruit basket with psychological issues.

Also, Halo should totally make their new ad campaign: A game so good, people will kill to play it!
 

ReiverCorrupter

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Littaly said:
Why is it that every time a study backs the relation between violent video games and violent behavior, it is wrong because it opposes studies that show theres no relation. But whenever there's a study that shows there's no relation, it is always right, no matter how many studies oppose it?

I hate to sound like I'm defending this news report, but are we really any better? We sing the same old song every damn time this discussion is brought up. How many people on this forum claiming there's no relation between virtual and real violence are any more qualified to defend their point than all these people that figure in the media? "I've been playing shooters since I was a kid and I've never shot someone" or "It's just alarmist nonsense" aren't exactly scientific proof either...

Not saying they're right, they may very well be wrong, but why does it feel like we're assuming that they're wrong by default?
Well, people who argue that there is no relation are just as bad really. However, I think the majority of gamers will be more likely to recognize nuance than their conservative counterparts. If you just look at the posts above many people are saying that violent video games can have a negative effect, it's just that the person has to already be pretty disturbed in the first place. The statistics don't lie, if it was just video games by themselves we would see a lot more violence. Instead, nearly all of these incidents involve kids who are already severely disturbed beside their video game usage.

At most I think violent video games act as a catalyst when there are already other negative influences in place, e.g. genetics, depression, bad family background, negative social forces etc.
 

Mercury Knight

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I had heart surgery at 5 for a congenital heart defect, and suffered brain damage that turned me from the quietest kid you know to having violent episodes on anyone who touched me and an explosive temper. Over the course of a decade I got it under control, now 26 I haven't hit anybody in 10 years. I played video games like mad the whole time, dozens of hours a week, most very violent. And I overcame all that while playing.

Games make people violent? For me, they are an outlet that helps me NOT be violent. Games are obviously not an automatic cause of violence, and if someone is obsessed with violence, that is a symptom, not a cause just because the obsessive target happens to be a form of violent media. I'm sure the Romans thought gladiator bloodsport was perfectly acceptable to watch, and even then not every roman was a murderer. But THIS is causing it? Give me a break.

I think it's bad mental health and while I feel worse for the victims, I feel great sympathy for the people who snap and whatever punishment they have to endure. A lot could be avoided by just reaching out when you see someone in trouble. Takes guts, but saves lives, maybe one you love.
 

General BrEeZy

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they don't make us want to kill people, they just teach us nifty ways to hurt or kill people. Basically no one actually tries it, but theres the rare extremely pissed off person that actually does kill someone. and if they're a gamer, then that definitely becomes part of the accusings.
 

Dane Tesston

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While it certainly isn't justified, I can see the reason why people would blame games for things like this. It's all about the need for a blame figure, and games just happen to be the most readily available target. The thought that some kid could just up and murder his parents is too scary for people to process, so they need something to blame. The kid played Halo, so they latched onto that.

It's not fair, to us or the medium, but that's just how people are.
 

spartan231490

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Yes it's obviously video games fault/sarcasm. Ok, really, why do people keep posting these things on the escapist? Every week or two there's a new "video games are the devil" thread. we already know that none of us agree with this crap, and it's already been pointed out that the studies are all poorly executed and use suspect methodology, and that there are just as many studies that dismiss the effect as having nothing to do with the medium, and instead being related to competitiveness of the game in question, or whatever.

No, games do not cause this. The kid made the decision to do it, probably because his parents hadn't raised him correctly, or maybe because he was born a psychopath or a sociopath or something. It has nothing to do with the game. In a similar situation, the kid would have done the same thing if his parents had kept him from playing soccer, or from getting his driver's licence, or from going out to a party with his friends. Human beings are passionate about the things they care about. If they aren't taught how to control those passions, or if they have a emotional imbalance, they react poorly and immorally and do stupid shit like killing people.
This has nothing to do with whatever passion they were feeling at the time, and everything to do with the individual involved.

Put two boys that love CoD in a room with console, and let them play. Then put two other young boys in a room with a bunch of normal toys, and two sticks. Lets see who gets violent first, and who gets more violent. My money is on the two boys in the room with sticks every time for both counts.

Human beings are violent creatures, and that's just the way it is. People who blame video games, or movies, or Rock Music, for people who act on this violent urges are just trying to deny the violence in their own nature, and such an assertion says much more about the person who makes it, than about the person who committed whatever crime "because of video games."
 

Zeriu

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Dane Tesston said:
While it certainly isn't justified, I can see the reason why people would blame games for things like this. It's all about the need for a blame figure, and games just happen to be the most readily available target. The thought that some kid could just up and murder his parents is too scary for people to process, so they need something to blame. The kid played Halo, so they latched onto that.

It's not fair, to us or the medium, but that's just how people are.
No that's not how people are. If they wanted something to blame they could have tried investigating the parents, the teachers at school, his friends, a simple fit of rage that went out of control, a debilitating mental disease, even the game itself shouldn't be spared scrutiny(if the effects of violent video games are properly researched, the results would only help our cause), but if people admit that the problem is people, then they're in a predicament. Instead they try to find exterior influences like music, games, absolutely anything except people themselves, and accuse the target of either being the devil's work, or Satan's disciples (In their eyes they're not people).
 

PunkRex

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From what I know of this story (which isnt much) its sounds like he was obsessed with Halo but he was still a nutter. Just because he used it as an outlet for his violent ways shouldnt be put on Halo itself... and I dont even like Halo.