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ajemas

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I have been a member here for some time, though I do lurk far more than I actually post. During my tenure on the forums, I've noticed two problems which could be fairly easily addressed. Actually, I'm not sure how easy or hard they would be; I know about as much about web design as I do about pleasing a women.
*ahem*

Anyway, the first thing I want to bring up is the issue of accidentally reporting posts. There have been several occasions where I reported posts that I had no intention of reporting due to errant clicks. Other times, I have felt that I needed to give more elaboration on why I was reporting that post in particular.
I think that having a small box to give a reason why you're reporting that particular post would be a good solution to both of these problems.
First of all, any accidental reportings would be mostly eliminated due to having to explain why you wanted to report it. Secondly, it would allow the user to give a reason for requesting moderator attention. This would also have the additional benefit of cutting down on abuse of the report feature, because someone who wants to troll the forums or moderators probably wouldn't spend that much time typing out a reason for each post they report.

Have you ever seen a thread where you're supposed to give a witty response to a certain question? I'm sure that there were times when you had nothing to add, but found a particularly funny post. I know that I have wanted to express my approval of certain posts in threads, but didn't have anything useful to add to the conversation.
There have also been times where I had the opposite problem. I?ve come across posts that weren?t in any violation of the rules, but were poorly constructed, asinine, or simply wrong. Any feedback that I would give would be purely material for a flame war and not be constructive in the slightest, but I do think the poster needed a sense of the community?s reaction.
A rudimentary thumbs-up/thumbs-down system would allow for users to express their approval of participants' posts without clogging up the thread or leading to a fight.
Now, this system obviously has its pitfalls. It?s possible that members will use the system simply to show that they disagree with a certain post, and others might start trolling by creating accounts to lower the ranking of somebody?s posts. My solution to this is only having a certain number of these thumbs-up/thumbs-down posts per day. I think that this will not only discourage trolling, but also encourage forum members to really think about whether or not the post in question is deserving of their praise/ire.


These suggestions might have been tested or brought up among members of the forum team before, but I do think that they could be used to improve the overall forum community. Again, these might be difficult or impossible to implement for all I know about designing web pages, so please take this with a grain of salt.
 

Totenkopf

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Your ideas sound pretty reasonable, but I would suggest to leave the thumbs-down-option out in order to erase it's "damage potential" without any costs.
 

DefunctTheory

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1. The thumbs have been discussed numerous times, both by normal users, and by Publisher Club Members. It's a bust.

2. "Reasons" for reporting are useless. As soon as a post gets two reports, it is going to be checked, one way or another. The Mod's will decide at that time if there's a legitimate concern (And they will always find something).

As for abuse, I've never heard of that being a problem.

EDIT: Though a 'Are you Sure' prompt would be nice.
 

kwagamon

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I actually like the ability to downvote a post as long as there's something associated with it getting enough downvotes. On the League of Legends forums, a post with enough downvotes isn't automatically displayed when you load the page. Instead, you see something saying that it has a lot of downvotes and gives you the option to display it anyway. It's the same on a lot of forums for many different communities, and works really well usually.
 

Scorched_Cascade

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I vehemently oppose the thumbs system.

Just because you disagree with someone's opinion does not mean it is wrong, there are no wrong opinions...unless they run counter to mine... We regularly discuss controversial stuff here and it'd be counter-productive if posts get buried by down-voters because they state that, for an out of the blue example, they support abortion.

As for the reporting system? There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt. No need to give them a reason, a cursory check will probably find the post breaking the "don't be a Jerk" rule
 

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Aylaine said:
Moderators are trained to discern between pointless reports and ones that require actual attention. With a firm understanding of the rules we are meant to uphold on these forums, we can accurately sift though most pointless/accidental reports and clear them. So that's not a real problem for the moderators. Now, if you enabled people to put something on their reports, it could go in either direction but it would likely go in the bad direction. It could be used as another outlet to cause problems, flame the staff/moderators, or cause confusion and power shifts by people simply reporting others who they do not like and trying to justify it with a reason. It's better in my opinion if the moderators solely look at posts in accordance to the forum rules, and not based on any users personal preference.
I like the first idea, but mostly because it does tell the moderators why they believe that the post needs to be dealt with, and what action needs to be taken. For example: Sometimes, posts get placed in the wrong forum. You hit "report", and a moderator looks at it. They see nothing wrong with the post itself, and overlook the fact that it is in the wrong forum. It then does not get moved, and you have just wasted time of the moderator.

It also helps target specific parts of the post. If there is one sentence that the person reporting the post feels was against the rules, they can state that right away.

I suppose it basically comes down to how one views people, and if they'll abuse the power or not.

And on something slightly off-topic: When you closed that user review earlier, and you quoted the opening post <url=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/326.275915.10713159>here, you left the advertising link in the quote, despite removing it in the opening post. At this point, it's almost more intriguing for people.

Totally not the real reason I just quoted you here. Totally.
 

DefunctTheory

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kwagamon said:
I actually like the ability to downvote a post as long as there's something associated with it getting enough downvotes. On the League of Legends forums, a post with enough downvotes isn't automatically displayed when you load the page. Instead, you see something saying that it has a lot of downvotes and gives you the option to display it anyway. It's the same on a lot of forums for many different communities, and works really well usually.
The LoL forums also frequently Up Vote racist, sexist, and extremely offensive post, usually in excess of 300 votes.

And they have virtually NO moderation.

Marter said:
And on something slightly off-topic: When you closed that user review earlier, and you quoted the opening post <url=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/326.275915.10713159>here, you left the advertising link in the quote, despite removing it in the opening post. At this point, it's almost more intriguing for people.

Totally not the real reason I just quoted you here. Totally.
SOMEONES got egg on their face...
 

smearyllama

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The thumbs system is a good idea, but if youtube is any indicator, people will simply begin posting for the sake of thumbs, and a dependence on the validation of your opinions by way of thumbs will begin.

Begin, the Thumb Wars will.
 

Lilani

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Totenkopf said:
Your ideas sound pretty reasonable, but I would suggest to leave the thumbs-down-option out in order to erase it's "damage potential" without any costs.
I agree with what you said about the thumbs up/down thing. It just gives trolls another way to troll.
 

Sinketi

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Rather than an up/down, 'pull a Facebook' and just have a 'Like'-esque button on each post - with some kind of expandable box to show you who else agrees or wants to appreciate the efforts made by the poster (without having to clog up space with a reply to that effect).
 

Hero in a half shell

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I like the idea of some sort of extra buffer for the report button, although I don't think I've ever accidentally pressed it, I did come close once, when I wanted to quote someone and almost clicked the report button instead of the quote (I know they're on completely opposite sides of the screen, but I was tired)

I would be against the thumbs system, although I have seen threads were the opening post was completely discredited or answered on the second or third page, and quickly drowned out by outraged people posting before reading all responses, which can be extremely frustrating when it's one of those completely false sensationalist news stories, and everyone gets fooled into believing it.

A thumbs up or down system in theory is perfect for this, maybe showing the post with the most thumbs up just under the original post, but in reality it doesn't work that way, and mostly just ends up being abused a la youtube.

Personally I've always thought that it could be good to split the Roleplaying forum into several sections (While not an RPer myself, I enjoy reading the worlds and RPs people create) But the forum itself is a bit of a nightmare to navigate (especially finding the new RP interest threads).
I thought it would be easier if it was split into 3 distinct sections:
A section for light forum games; avatar threads, the poster above you etc.
A section for roleplay interest threads/getting characters
A section for the actual roleplaying threads

Sorry to go off on a tangent there, but I've never seen this topic come up before and this is just a little something I personally thought would make navigating the RPing forum a lot easier
 

Skorpyo

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I like the second idea, seeing as I've been thinking about it myself for a while.

First one would probably cause more trouble for the Mods than anything else.
 

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Aylaine said:
My issue is, it allows a user to freely type s message to the moderators. Imagine catching a user on a bad day, and they just got in trouble. The next post they report may not be in the nicest tone. The ideas sound good on paper, but with you add in people, who can be varied and different, it can go either way really fast. Given the moderators usually face more negative attention then positive attention, I feel it's still a bad idea, even if it could be used for some good. When I first joined here, I felt the same way about adding some kind of comment box or reason to the report feature. Looking at it as a moderator though, I truly believe it will cause more harm then good.

Also, fixed!
Then how about something like what GameFAQs does. Say what you want about their forums, but I like their reporting system.

<spoiler=Here's a picture>http://i69.servimg.com/u/f69/16/09/70/40/untitl10.png

Maybe remove "other", and put in "wrong forum", or something like that. Better idea?
 

Atmos Duality

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I've seen reputation systems in use on other forums.
It lends nothing of value to discussion; any idiot can disagree with an opinion, but having the balls to actually say why is more useful.
 

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ajemas said:
I think that having a small box to give a reason why you're reporting that particular post would be a good solution to both of these problems.
Not necessary. If a mod can't see it straight away they can figure it out with a bit of detective work. And if you're certain they might struggle with that, you can always PM them with "Dear Mod: the reason why I reported post XYZ is..."

ajemas said:
A rudimentary thumbs-up/thumbs-down system would allow for users to express their approval of participants' posts without clogging up the thread or leading to a fight.
That's a terrible, awful, horrid idea. If you want to support something you should be able to say why you support it. Likewise if you want to hate on something you should be able to say why you hate it. If you can't do either of those things, you have no business contributing at all, because you're not actually contributing anything meaningful to the discussion.

Also, imagine how someone new to the forums will feel if he has an unpopular opinion and gets bombarded with dislikes, while at the same time more popular well-liked forum members clock up more likes simply by force of their personality rather than the content of their posts. God no. If this system ever came in, I'd stop posting here, that's how dead I am against it. Fortunately I have enough faith in The Escapist to know that they will never bring in something like this.
 

maddawg IAJI

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First reason
1) While that does sound nice, we already have a system like that in place for reporting Profiles. Reporting posts are meant to be a quick, simple measure, most people would rather just click the button and walk away from it, rather then report and then be forced to give a reason.

2) This idea has been brought up time and time and time again and the answer is always the same: No. Its too easy to abuse, some people would be getting thumbs up just because they are a popular poster or if they're unpopular, will be getting thumbs down, not to mention that it doesn't serve a purpose. If my opinion has been said completely, to the point where I have nothing new to add to the conversation, then I have no reason to be in the thread in the first place.
 

ajemas

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Aylaine said:
Marter said:
Aylaine said:
My issue is, it allows a user to freely type s message to the moderators. Imagine catching a user on a bad day, and they just got in trouble. The next post they report may not be in the nicest tone. The ideas sound good on paper, but with you add in people, who can be varied and different, it can go either way really fast. Given the moderators usually face more negative attention then positive attention, I feel it's still a bad idea, even if it could be used for some good. When I first joined here, I felt the same way about adding some kind of comment box or reason to the report feature. Looking at it as a moderator though, I truly believe it will cause more harm then good.

Also, fixed!
Then how about something like what GameFAQs does. Say what you want about their forums, but I like their reporting system.

<spoiler=Here's a picture>http://i69.servimg.com/u/f69/16/09/70/40/untitl10.png

Maybe remove "other", and put in "wrong forum", or something like that. Better idea?
That would be much better then our current system, so long as you remove the ability to type a message there. Wrong forum also works. In fact, you should message Spinny that. I'll add in some pressure and maybe we can get a more refined report system going. :O
From what I can surmise, both of my suggestions have been brought up before. Sorry about that, though I am happy to see that I somehow influenced the reporting system. As long as I'm making asinine suggestions, perhaps there should be some area where users could request changes to the forums, and maybe an FAQ so we could avoid this in the future?
 

FalloutJack

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ajemas said:
I think that having a small box to give a reason why you're reporting that particular post would be a good solution to both of these problems.
Naturally, I understand the legitimate reasoning for these ideas and so on. The thing that sticks out in my mind is that if you really want to go for specifics on a user, you go into their profile and hit a link labeled "Report User" and you get a textbox to fill out the right and proper grievance. (This is assuming you were unaware of the thing, but if you are...then I apologize. Still, that would appear suitable to me for this area.)