Amnestic said:
Lonan said:
As long as they don't retreat from their defense commitments to Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea, I don't really care. However, they really should stay in Afghanistan beyond 2011. Frankly, I'm pretty disappointed with the U.S. right now. It's gone and hurt itself somewhere else and now it's using the excuse of a stubbed toe to retreat from Afghanistan with a white flag protruding from it's ass. It's using the excuse of it's own self-damaging mistake to try to protect it's remaining power. This is the real reason Americans don't want to be involved in the world anymore, it's too expensive and self-damaging. It just wants to recuperate and start playing the same old games again.
What reason do you have to be in Afghanistan other than to save face?
I don't know what you mean by "you" or by "saving face" but I'm pretty sure that the U.S. left Afghanistan to anarchy for 15 years and has finally come back. Now, it's going to pull out before the job is done. Will the Afghan forces be ready? Maybe. I DON'T want to see Afghanistan turn into a land of anarchy again. The U.S. put it into that position, (well, just walked away from the people who fought their war) and now is going in because it created a terrorist breeding ground. It should prevent it from becoming a terrorist breeding ground and make it at least as good as it was before the attempted Soviet invasion. You should not abandon you're allies. The U.S. (Obama) is now abandoning Afghanistan by 2011, and I think Obama is willing to let it rot. I think it's a question of how much. With all the sacrifices, his plan is to leave them their to rot, and for it to become a Taliban stronghold again. I know he isn't just going to leave in 2011, but I doubt Afghanistan's long-term security will be secured in 2 years.
So the U.S. is walking away again, "isolation" it's called. And then it brings in the big guns to start bombing things when it's done with that. I guarantee you, once the Republicans come back in, it'll be a bomb ______________istan to hell foreign policy all over again. And then the Democrats will walk away, and _____________istan will rot. And then when _______________istan starts sending people to destroy the U.S. it will automatically become one of the "bad guys" and will have to be utterly annihilated, even if thousands of civilians die as well. It's just so evil that civilians will also have to be sacrificed, it's the only way to protect a MAIR ica from evil. Yes, to some Americans there are indeed a lot of bad guys. Isolation is a temporary measure. It's only until the sheep (the stupid people in the U.S.) forget why they didn't screw with the world, and then it will start all over again. There only has to be one attack, and that's it. Bush years policy will resume, jsut not as much, or not nearly as much as under him. Then again, I may be surprised. But I doubt by very much.
Still, I would say the U.S. should just go for a clean pull-out of Afghanistan, where the people their will not be abandoned. It would make up for the mistakes of the past and be very redeemed in my mind. Leaving? Abandoning it again? Same old cycle, I promise you. If Afghanistan is abandoned again, I don't think I'll ever forgive the country most responsible.
As for saving face, I have no idea what you mean. I never lost face so I have no need to save face. I also am not in Afghanistan, and am not a country. I don't understand.