U.S. Senator Says Violent Games Are "Practice Simulators"
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Yea, I also believe the US is going to be heading down the old civil war path once again; though, hopefully, it won't be a full-blown civil war so much as a simple blowup and quick reconstruction. And I wasn't making the comment about 'gun culture/gun worship' as in to denote it into a negative light -- I think the Second Amendment is as necessary as the next person lol. I was merely stating my belief that video games are more influenced by culture than they do the influencing; at least, in the context of firearm use. I have to admit that there is some basic military-esque tactics I would not know about today if not for video games, though.
May I just say that experience is the greater teacher, though? You might learn OF certain actions or tactics in media, or hell even the internet, but that is only the intellectual side. I watched Bruce Lee and Cowboy Bebop, finding that I really like Jeet Kune Do as a means to defend one's self. More to the point, I like its mindset a great deal. However, knowing it and doing it are two different things. Seeing it allowed me to force a guy in excess of 300 pounds into a wall, yes, but the level of coordination of the people I watched could never be matched without real training. I know I can fire a rifle straight because I have, and no amount of simulation will reproduce that...and tactics attached to that will only serve after practicing a few times for real.Jaden Kazega said:
I'll tell you right now that after all this nonsense she won't get another vote from me. I emailed her, which I recommend everyone who cares to do, especially if you live in California and vote. I told her (her office really) that I have voted for her in the past but that these kinds of first amendment issues are voting issues for me and if she takes this pandering too far she'll not be getting anymore votes from me.
Not that I would vote for her republican rival, but I could happily leave that part of the ballot blank.
Not that I would vote for her republican rival, but I could happily leave that part of the ballot blank.
America, the only country where politicians will fight tooth and nail to allow Billy Redneck to keep his guns but claim violent video games to be a menace.
Oh, Feinstein, you crazy old lady. Sad part is when you keep in mind that these are the sort of people who make laws for real things...
Had to say this in an earlier thread, but she is in fact the author of the currently proposed Assault Weapons ban.Gecko clown said:
Shit, she's probably going after nerf now since they have tactical rails, magazines, laser sights and belt feeding nerf darts. Nerf guns are like the next step, once you learn digitally, you practice with nerf then you get the real bullets!
NERF OR NUTTIN'
NERF OR NUTTIN'
I've been spectacularly ninja'd. Heil WaitWHAT.WaitWHAT said:Grammar Nazi that I am, I can't help notice that the term "practice simulator" is completely redundant. It means a simulator in which you rehearse....practicing itself. You practice the art of practising. You sit down at your computer and repeatedly do the same thing over and over, and that thing is....practising. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?!?! It's like an infinite loop where you repeatedly do something over and over, and that thing is repeatedly doing something over and over and [sub] that thing is repeatedly doing something over and over and [sub] that thing is repeatedly doing something over and over and [sub] that thing is repeatedly doing something over and over and [sub] that thing is repeatedly doing something over and over and [/sub][/sub][/sub][/sub]
*Deep breath*
It's fine. I'm OK now. Just gimme a minute here.
OT: What bullshit. Videogames don't even come close to simulating real life, making them ineffective as practice for mass murder. Furthermore, there are books and websites that give you FAR more information than a game. But there's no use reasoning with these people. All we can do is wait until she and her opinions die of old age.
About future forms of entertainment that their kids and grandkids are into? Matrix-like VR/ Holodecks?Azex said:
Every generation has this belief that their standards are the right ones and that the youth is somehow misguided/ foolish. Oftentimes they attribute their "being right" to being older (more life experience), completely forgetting that by the same logic their parents were right and they shouldn't have been smoking pot, listening to rock-n'-roll and having premarital sex. All of which they did anyway. But now they are "old and wise".
I believe that is actually a form of democracy that exists. I think it was the ancient greeks who used to randomly select citizens to serve a term of office, like a jury duty, rather than let people who WANTED to be in power have that power. On paper it sounds like a better system, stops any individual politicians getting re-elected too often and gaining too much sway on matters, prevents corruption from those who only want to be in power for their own ends, gives the common people more chance to make changes, and the shorter terms of office means that if an individual is no good or doesn't care about their position, well, no worries, they'll soon be gone and someone else takes over.Rogue 09 said:
Wish I could remember the specific name for that type of system.
This again? Idiotic! Violent people are drawn to violent media, sensible people can tell between entertainment and committing actual crime.
In other news, the media forgets to "Not feed the troll(z)." In reality, politicians like the good senator here are just like internet trolls. They live to get attention from ridiculous and asinine comments like this thinking it will help them win re-election. In all honesty I forget almost everything that comes out of this womans mouth shortly after she says it, or I chalk it up as the ramblings of an delusional, out of touch individual pandering to fear and attempting demonize that which she does not understand.
I would recommend the Senator spends some time learning about scientific method and how one actually proves a thesis. Yanno, with actual emperical evidence? That same evidence that is sorely lacking proving a link between violence in games and violence IRL. Which brings me to rule #2 (that I follow in life) Never argue with an idiot; they will only drag you down to their level then beat you with their experience.
I would recommend the Senator spends some time learning about scientific method and how one actually proves a thesis. Yanno, with actual emperical evidence? That same evidence that is sorely lacking proving a link between violence in games and violence IRL. Which brings me to rule #2 (that I follow in life) Never argue with an idiot; they will only drag you down to their level then beat you with their experience.
So video games are practice simulators. What exactly does that make shooting ranges? Or hell, even paintball/airsoft guns.
Coming up next, an announcement that violent movies are "training videos", violent books are "instruction manuals for terrorists", and violent music is "indoctrination media".
...except that she's likely only in power because those media paid to put her there, so she won't dare speak out against the corporate arm shoved up her ass.
...except that she's likely only in power because those media paid to put her there, so she won't dare speak out against the corporate arm shoved up her ass.