I like you. I'd like to follow up your post with this, in case you haven't seen it, and to any one else, I'd urge to watch it.BoogieManFL said:fix-the-spade said:That's a load of balls sir.Rogue 09 said:Yes, other countries have less guns and few rates of gun violence. Thank you for sharing the obvious. I would think that countries without popsicles have fewer instances of flavored ice being eaten. The goal is to look at 1) Total Violence / Crime and 2) Instances of weapons being used to deter criminal acts.
Other countries are no less violent than America, they just use messier means in order to fulfill their quotas.
America has a higher murder rate (as in murders per 100'000 people per year) than Palestine, Palestine, as in the people in a permanent slap fight with Isreal. It's the highest murder rate in the first world. It's even a higher murder rate than Afghanistan, including combat deaths. Let me repeat that for you, the murder rate per 100'000 population in the US is higher than Afghanistan, meaning that an American soldier is statistically twice as likely to killed at home than he is on deployment.
Of course the numbers don't quite reflect reality (unless the NRA breaks out the suicide vests in response to gun control), but it highlights how big a problem the US has with violence when the averages say you're safer in a literal warzone.
Americans seem love killing each other and they love doing it with guns, all that rhetoric about self defence rings hollow when the top illegal acts with fire arms are suicide and homicide. America is like a Junkie with it's drugs when it comes to guns, unfortunately it's going to take something far worse than Sandy Hook (or Virginia Tech, Columbine, Aurora etc) to make the country look at itself and realise how farcical the attitudes surrounding weapons are.
Research I've done has turned up that statistically the country with the most number of homicides per year is Africa as a whole, not the US. And it looks to have a pretty comfortable lead too.
Also, Afghanistan has a population around 30.4 million compared to the US's population of around 315 million. And the population of the largest cities in Afghanistan is far far less than in the US. Their top 10 most populous cities would have to be combined to compare with the population of New York City.
The people who have done mass shootings represent less than .0001% of the national population.
Something to note that overall crime AND violent crime has been steadily decreasing in the US, despite these shootings. Media is the reason people freak out so much. If you cut away all the other stuff statistically things are improving.
Media from the US seems to travel around the world more and people just love to hate on us, like your post does. Just because 1 in millions and millions of people might misuse a gun doesn't really make it reasonable to say things like "Americans seem love killing each other and they love doing it with guns..." Shameful, really.
Mass School Killings since 2000 Dead/Wounded
2011 Brazil 12/12 Gun used
2009 Azerbaijan 12/13 Gun used
2009 Germany 15/13 Gun used
2008 Finland 10/3 Gun used
2006 China 12/5 Arson
2002 Germany 16/1 Gun used
2010 in China was apparently really bad with this sort of thing.
Approximately 18 people went berserk with sickening numbers of casualties. Most were children/students. Most were with fire, hammers, and knives.
And this is just school stuff, there are so many more than are scarcely heard about that involve random killings, hate crimes, religiously motivated, and so on. It's not just guns and it's not just the US. And it's certainly not games or media like some say, this sort of thing has been happening throughout recorded history.
What a ridiculous and uninformed claim. War is more than just people being shot and directly killed. Many more yet die due to famine and infrastructural collapse. In Ethiopia there were over 20,000 homicides during 2008 alone. The UN did a report on 2011 on Homicides per capita and the US wasn't in the top 20. Go read about Honduras.Strazdas said:America is more violent than whole world. Yes, even war zones. Americas violence rate is higher than that of a war zone. if that is acceptable to you i dont even know what to say.Mycroft Holmes said:If you're trying to prove that America is more violent than other western countries, because it was birthed through armed conflict, then I would assume it follows that your examples should be western countries. Otherwise your thesis makes no sense. Not that it matters because your only really unarguable example of Tibet was founded in a war that caused 100,000 or 1,000,000 deaths if you want to count The Great Leap Forward that their new government immediately brought.Strazdas said:You never said western countries, i merely sticked mostly with Europe due to me knowing about them more than eastern ones.
And I can't think of a single 'eastern' country that was founded in peace.
That's a good video, and perfectly illustrates this issue. People will ramble on about what they hear, but very few will actually go educate themselves and learn unbiased facts.tangoprime said:I like you. I'd like to follow up your post with this, in case you haven't seen it, and to any one else, I'd urge to watch it.BoogieManFL said:fix-the-spade said:That's a load of balls sir.Rogue 09 said:Yes, other countries have less guns and few rates of gun violence. Thank you for sharing the obvious. I would think that countries without popsicles have fewer instances of flavored ice being eaten. The goal is to look at 1) Total Violence / Crime and 2) Instances of weapons being used to deter criminal acts.
Other countries are no less violent than America, they just use messier means in order to fulfill their quotas.
America has a higher murder rate (as in murders per 100'000 people per year) than Palestine, Palestine, as in the people in a permanent slap fight with Isreal. It's the highest murder rate in the first world. It's even a higher murder rate than Afghanistan, including combat deaths. Let me repeat that for you, the murder rate per 100'000 population in the US is higher than Afghanistan, meaning that an American soldier is statistically twice as likely to killed at home than he is on deployment.
Of course the numbers don't quite reflect reality (unless the NRA breaks out the suicide vests in response to gun control), but it highlights how big a problem the US has with violence when the averages say you're safer in a literal warzone.
Americans seem love killing each other and they love doing it with guns, all that rhetoric about self defence rings hollow when the top illegal acts with fire arms are suicide and homicide. America is like a Junkie with it's drugs when it comes to guns, unfortunately it's going to take something far worse than Sandy Hook (or Virginia Tech, Columbine, Aurora etc) to make the country look at itself and realise how farcical the attitudes surrounding weapons are.
Research I've done has turned up that statistically the country with the most number of homicides per year is Africa as a whole, not the US. And it looks to have a pretty comfortable lead too.
Also, Afghanistan has a population around 30.4 million compared to the US's population of around 315 million. And the population of the largest cities in Afghanistan is far far less than in the US. Their top 10 most populous cities would have to be combined to compare with the population of New York City.
The people who have done mass shootings represent less than .0001% of the national population.
Something to note that overall crime AND violent crime has been steadily decreasing in the US, despite these shootings. Media is the reason people freak out so much. If you cut away all the other stuff statistically things are improving.
Media from the US seems to travel around the world more and people just love to hate on us, like your post does. Just because 1 in millions and millions of people might misuse a gun doesn't really make it reasonable to say things like "Americans seem love killing each other and they love doing it with guns..." Shameful, really.
Mass School Killings since 2000 Dead/Wounded
2011 Brazil 12/12 Gun used
2009 Azerbaijan 12/13 Gun used
2009 Germany 15/13 Gun used
2008 Finland 10/3 Gun used
2006 China 12/5 Arson
2002 Germany 16/1 Gun used
2010 in China was apparently really bad with this sort of thing.
Approximately 18 people went berserk with sickening numbers of casualties. Most were children/students. Most were with fire, hammers, and knives.
And this is just school stuff, there are so many more than are scarcely heard about that involve random killings, hate crimes, religiously motivated, and so on. It's not just guns and it's not just the US. And it's certainly not games or media like some say, this sort of thing has been happening throughout recorded history.
Way to sidetrack the topic. We are talking about violence, not about "other bad things in war". obviously there are other things than violence during war, i do not deny that. Im not sure about UN report, but of course in Ethiopia there is a high homicide rate. you know what else is high there? access to guns.BoogieManFL said:What a ridiculous and uninformed claim. War is more than just people being shot and directly killed. Many more yet die due to famine and infrastructural collapse. In Ethiopia there were over 20,000 homicides during 2008 alone. The UN did a report on 2011 on Homicides per capita and the US wasn't in the top 20. Go read about Honduras.strazdas said:America is more violent than whole world. Yes, even war zones. Americas violence rate is higher than that of a war zone. if that is acceptable to you i dont even know what to say.
fix-the-spade said:America has a higher murder rate (as in murders per 100'000 people per year) than Palestine, Palestine, as in the people in a permanent slap fight with Isreal. It's the highest murder rate in the first world. It's even a higher murder rate than Afghanistan, including combat deaths. Let me repeat that for you, the murder rate per 100'000 population in the US is higher than Afghanistan, meaning that an American soldier is statistically twice as likely to killed at home than he is on deployment.
Of course the numbers don't quite reflect reality (unless the NRA breaks out the suicide vests in response to gun control), but it highlights how big a problem the US has with violence when the averages say you're safer in a literal warzone.
Americans seem love killing each other and they love doing it with guns, all that rhetoric about self defence rings hollow when the top illegal acts with fire arms are suicide and homicide. America is like a Junkie with it's drugs when it comes to guns, unfortunately it's going to take something far worse than Sandy Hook (or Virginia Tech, Columbine, Aurora etc) to make the country look at itself and realise how farcical the attitudes surrounding weapons are.
The murder rate is calculated per 100'000 of population per year, it accounts for population size difference and Americans still kill each other at twice the rate of Afghans.BoogieManFL said:Research I've done has turned up that statistically the region with the most number of homicides per year is Africa as a whole, not the US. And it looks to have a pretty comfortable lead too. Compared to many countries on that continent, the US is far down the list..
I don't really even know how to respond to this. Are you just blatantly ignoring facts? Or have you just done absolutely zero research to support your theories, and just assume you're right for no reason?Strazdas said:America is more violent than whole world. Yes, even war zones. Americas violence rate is higher than that of a war zone. if that is acceptable to you i dont even know what to say.
This is stuff!viking97 said:More affirmation Joe Biden's a pretty cool guy, as if we needed more after the VP debate.
More people may die by guns in the US than other places, but we don't have the highest overall *violent* crime rates. Not even close.fix-the-spade said:The murder rate is calculated per 100'000 of population per year, it accounts for population size difference and Americans still kill each other at twice the rate of Afghans.BoogieManFL said:Research I've done has turned up that statistically the region with the most number of homicides per year is Africa as a whole, not the US. And it looks to have a pretty comfortable lead too. Compared to many countries on that continent, the US is far down the list..
Also, if you went back and read it through again, America is the most violent nation in the first world. That rules out the entire continent of Africa, even Egypt and South Africa.
Also, because bad things happen in other countries, it doesn't yours doesn't have a problem, or that it isn't the worst in the group it likes to identify itself as the leader of.
You're making a straw man argument, arguing points slightly different to the ones I made, please go back and address the actual thing I said.
Also, Americans really do love killing each other with guns, the fervor with which they threaten anyone who dares question their access to guns is what gives it away.