Ugh........Racism

[ShakyFiend]

People get some perspective, we are all racist in some way or another we just dont perceive it as such, for example the average European considers his/her culture far superior to that of say.. a native American despite the fact that they have had no experience of that particular culture whatsoever

I am the product of a black and white couple (with a native American grandparent). I'd like to know which race I supposedly find superior since "we are all racist".

I am sorry, but you don't speak for me. I also won't harp since I've already gone over this in this thread.

You seem to be under the impression that people can only be racist against black or white people
and that as you have black and white parents this makes you immune to both. Let me enlighten you racism also applies to a. All cultures (eg. I am white but that does not mean I cant be racist as regards the inuits)
b. Many more skin colours than black or white
Racism can be found even without skin colour (quote from wiki article on racism) 'Researchers, including Dean Karlan and Marianne Bertrand, at the MIT and the University of Chicago found in a 2003 study that there was widespread discrimination in the workplace against job applicants whose names were merely perceived as "sounding black". These applicants were 50% less likely than candidates perceived as having "white-sounding names" to receive callbacks for interviews. In contrast, institutions and courts have upheld discrimination against whites when it is done to promote a diverse work or educational environment, even when it was shown to be to the detriment of qualified applicants' So no, just because you have black and white parents you can still be racist

 

[Kimjira19]

This thread is bs.

Too many of you are liberal pussies imo.

Racism is there because people of different races prefer to be around their own kin. It will always be there.

Racialism, which is the acknowledgement that there are differences between races, but not necessarily a hierarchy, is good.

What you say is simply ridiculous. I have genuinely enjoyed being around people of other races just as much as I have spending time with other whites. And I certainly hope it won't always be there because more and more people are intermarrying now. Try and explain that. The only differences between races are very superficial. Cultural differences are another thing altogether. Oh, and while I am a liberal I am certainly not a pussy. I will confront bigots and idiots and I am not afraid to shed my blood for my beliefs. I just won't shed the blood of others. If that makes me a pussy then to hell with that sh*t.

Races create Culture you ignoramous. Culture is the survival tool the human races use to compete in Natural Selection.

Furthermore, just because you provide some petty personal anedcdote, doesnt discount the way the human mentality works, which is a Tribal mentality.

Just where do you get the audacity to call me the ignoramous? There is great variation of culture within racial groups. Take the tribes native to America. Technically they are the same race but there is a large variation between language and customs amoung them. The Cherokee differ from the Lakota and the Lakota differ from the Nez Perce. And just because YOUR mind works that way and maybe humans in general USED to think that way does not mean that the current human mentality is innately racist. Also, racism means the belief that one racial group is superior to another. While yes it is natural to see the superficial differences between races it is not right to make judgements of someone's worth based on the color of their skin.

 

[Carboncrown]

How come if a black guy calls another black guy a ni***r, it's ok BUT if a white guy says it he's a racist? Isn't that racist?

Black people didn't oppressed or enslave other blacks in America like whites did. There wasn't black supremacy, blacks were relegated to second class, not permitted to go to schools with, hospitals with, travel and eat with, or otherwise mix and marry with white people. It was against the law to marry blacks in America less than 40 years ago.

Oh yes they did, where do you think that white people got their slaves from? Slave traders. Black slave traders. Yeah i know that apartheid and all that was horribly wrong, and so did other white people back then and they ended it. Do you think that(Not saying you do, but you might) white people invented slavery, because they obviously didn't. And this is just a guess, but weren't "we" the first ones to end it?

And i think that things turned out that way simply because Europe was the most advanced society because simple geographical circumstamces allowed culture to "prosper"(Excluding asia because i dont know shit about their history). Come to think about it, all those things i stated as facts might be wrong, so plese do educate me with proof if so.

Please also note that when i say black or white people, i mean the cultures not skin pigments, wich by my understanding do not affect your brain functions.

A bit more OT:Now if you got the impression that i think "white culture" is "superior", then congratulations that exacly what im saying, but what im not saying is that white people are superior in any way. Now you might be thinking that "lol you just called a country that has a black president a white culture" wich is exacly why i don't think racism is relevant anymore, because modern societies dont really give a fuck. Exept of course the whole a black person can call someone a ni**er but simply because of the color of my skin i can't, wich, by the way is racism, even tough i have never in my life discriminated anyone because of racial issues, but that doesent mean i care, things like that will die eventually.

(I used ony the blacks & whites because its a rather easy way to go)

OT:I might be naive but i think that mostly humanity has gotten over racism and realise that the circumstances to wich you are born to causes practically all racial differnce, not the actual "race". Oh and im not denying that there might be some minor diffrence between races, surely if you managed to somehow measure the exact avaridge attributes of all races one would have to be the best, but that would only be the avaridge, and that would only matter scientifically, and anyway nobody should look at a persons appearence to evaluate other attributes and mostly nobody does it.

Exept everybody, atleast a little bit, always and forever.

[sub]And jokes are jokes.

PS. someone should sue a zombie game because it has only/more white zombies in it.[/sub]

 

[SupaMechaDeathChrist]

Racism rules.

Not exactly the best prompt to start a discussion here mate.

Hey but it worked

 

[SupaMechaDeathChrist]

I can't help but wonder... am I racist?

I mean I said 'fuck Bush' enough times that he is probably screaming rape every time I think those words! Does that mean I hate all white guys?

No. Fuck is just a word and no matter how many times you say it to a certain race, your still not racist.

 

[ostro-whiskey]

This thread is bs.

Too many of you are liberal pussies imo.

Racism is there because people of different races prefer to be around their own kin. It will always be there.

Racialism, which is the acknowledgement that there are differences between races, but not necessarily a hierarchy, is good.

What you say is simply ridiculous. I have genuinely enjoyed being around people of other races just as much as I have spending time with other whites. And I certainly hope it won't always be there because more and more people are intermarrying now. Try and explain that. The only differences between races are very superficial. Cultural differences are another thing altogether. Oh, and while I am a liberal I am certainly not a pussy. I will confront bigots and idiots and I am not afraid to shed my blood for my beliefs. I just won't shed the blood of others. If that makes me a pussy then to hell with that sh*t.

Races create Culture you ignoramous. Culture is the survival tool the human races use to compete in Natural Selection.

Furthermore, just because you provide some petty personal anedcdote, doesnt discount the way the human mentality works, which is a Tribal mentality.

Just where do you get the audacity to call me the ignoramous? There is great variation of culture within racial groups. Take the tribes native to America. Technically they are the same race but there is a large variation between language and customs amoung them. The Cherokee differ from the Lakota and the Lakota differ from the Nez Perce. And just because YOUR mind works that way and maybe humans in general USED to think that way does not mean that the current human mentality is innately racist. Also, racism means the belief that one racial group is superior to another. While yes it is natural to see the superficial differences between races it is not right to make judgements of someone's worth based on the color of their skin.

Whats your point.

People possess the instinct of self preservation, therefore seeing their own group as superior is a natural element to society, or used to be.

Viewing racism badly is a very new concept, invented by liberal universalists. I dont know who you think you are that you believe you can dispute thousands of years of human nature.

 

[Icehearted]

People get some perspective, we are all racist in some way or another we just dont perceive it as such, for example the average European considers his/her culture far superior to that of say.. a native American despite the fact that they have had no experience of that particular culture whatsoever

I am the product of a black and white couple (with a native American grandparent). I'd like to know which race I supposedly find superior since "we are all racist".

I am sorry, but you don't speak for me. I also won't harp since I've already gone over this in this thread.

You seem to be under the impression that people can only be racist against black or white people
and that as you have black and white parents this makes you immune to both. Let me enlighten you racism also applies to a. All cultures (eg. I am white but that does not mean I cant be racist as regards the inuits)
b. Many more skin colours than black or white
Racism can be found even without skin colour (quote from wiki article on racism) 'Researchers, including Dean Karlan and Marianne Bertrand, at the MIT and the University of Chicago found in a 2003 study that there was widespread discrimination in the workplace against job applicants whose names were merely perceived as "sounding black". These applicants were 50% less likely than candidates perceived as having "white-sounding names" to receive callbacks for interviews. In contrast, institutions and courts have upheld discrimination against whites when it is done to promote a diverse work or educational environment, even when it was shown to be to the detriment of qualified applicants' So no, just because you have black and white parents you can still be racist

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/18.155556.3801449
Clearly you missed my post or my point, both of which state, very frankly that racism is not exclusive to any race, and I quoted (copied, actually, for good measure) an encyclopedia definition. Being black and white (among other things) doesn't make me immune to racists, quite the contrary, people hate race mixing more than they hate the other races. My point is that it's be nonsensical for me to "pick a side" since I'm pretty much a member of at least three, and find nothing superior or inferior about any one of them (or any one I am not for that matter).

And as far as "Racism can be found even without skin colour" lets bring, once again, something that isn't a wiki but an actual dictionary to clarify what a race is, because to my knowledge race isn't about skin color at all.

race (râs) noun
1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
4. Human beings considered as a group.
5. Biology. a. A population of organisms differing from others of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits; a subspecies. b. A breed or strain, as of domestic animals.

Excerpted from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition © 1996 by Houghton Mifflin Company.

Yeah, pretty sure I didn't see skin color in there. Here's a fun fact, not all of the people of any ethnicity have identically shaded skin. Food for thought.

@McOrdinaryish
Um no? Please point me to the part of the segregationist movement in America where blacks legally segregated whites and forbade them equal treatment, freedom, the right to vote, the right to procreate, or the right to be employed or educated.

 

[Kimjira19]

This thread is bs.

Too many of you are liberal pussies imo.

Racism is there because people of different races prefer to be around their own kin. It will always be there.

Racialism, which is the acknowledgement that there are differences between races, but not necessarily a hierarchy, is good.

What you say is simply ridiculous. I have genuinely enjoyed being around people of other races just as much as I have spending time with other whites. And I certainly hope it won't always be there because more and more people are intermarrying now. Try and explain that. The only differences between races are very superficial. Cultural differences are another thing altogether. Oh, and while I am a liberal I am certainly not a pussy. I will confront bigots and idiots and I am not afraid to shed my blood for my beliefs. I just won't shed the blood of others. If that makes me a pussy then to hell with that sh*t.

Races create Culture you ignoramous. Culture is the survival tool the human races use to compete in Natural Selection.

Furthermore, just because you provide some petty personal anedcdote, doesnt discount the way the human mentality works, which is a Tribal mentality.

Just where do you get the audacity to call me the ignoramous? There is great variation of culture within racial groups. Take the tribes native to America. Technically they are the same race but there is a large variation between language and customs amoung them. The Cherokee differ from the Lakota and the Lakota differ from the Nez Perce. And just because YOUR mind works that way and maybe humans in general USED to think that way does not mean that the current human mentality is innately racist. Also, racism means the belief that one racial group is superior to another. While yes it is natural to see the superficial differences between races it is not right to make judgements of someone's worth based on the color of their skin.

Whats your point.

People possess the instinct of self preservation, therefore seeing their own group as superior is a natural element to society, or used to be.

Viewing racism badly is a very new concept, invented by liberal universalists. I dont know who you think you are that you believe you can dispute thousands of years of human nature.

my point, oh wise one, was that just because viewing racial discrimination as bad is a recent(ish) idea, does not mean we should just say "to hell with embracing other humans as our equals and treating them with respect, I am going to act like my ancestors did: Namely, viewing anyone who is different as a threat."
The whole point of learning human history is to avoid the repetition of bad things, like RACISM. Additionally, I won't dispute that our ancestors were racist. But I will dispute the idea that that means we then have a license to treat people like freaks just because their skin color or facial features differ from ours.

 

[ostro-whiskey]

This thread is bs.

Too many of you are liberal pussies imo.

Racism is there because people of different races prefer to be around their own kin. It will always be there.

Racialism, which is the acknowledgement that there are differences between races, but not necessarily a hierarchy, is good.

What you say is simply ridiculous. I have genuinely enjoyed being around people of other races just as much as I have spending time with other whites. And I certainly hope it won't always be there because more and more people are intermarrying now. Try and explain that. The only differences between races are very superficial. Cultural differences are another thing altogether. Oh, and while I am a liberal I am certainly not a pussy. I will confront bigots and idiots and I am not afraid to shed my blood for my beliefs. I just won't shed the blood of others. If that makes me a pussy then to hell with that sh*t.

Races create Culture you ignoramous. Culture is the survival tool the human races use to compete in Natural Selection.

Furthermore, just because you provide some petty personal anedcdote, doesnt discount the way the human mentality works, which is a Tribal mentality.

Just where do you get the audacity to call me the ignoramous? There is great variation of culture within racial groups. Take the tribes native to America. Technically they are the same race but there is a large variation between language and customs amoung them. The Cherokee differ from the Lakota and the Lakota differ from the Nez Perce. And just because YOUR mind works that way and maybe humans in general USED to think that way does not mean that the current human mentality is innately racist. Also, racism means the belief that one racial group is superior to another. While yes it is natural to see the superficial differences between races it is not right to make judgements of someone's worth based on the color of their skin.

Whats your point.

People possess the instinct of self preservation, therefore seeing their own group as superior is a natural element to society, or used to be.

Viewing racism badly is a very new concept, invented by liberal universalists. I dont know who you think you are that you believe you can dispute thousands of years of human nature.

my point, oh wise one, was that just because viewing racial discrimination as bad is a recent(ish) idea, does not mean we should just say "to hell with embracing other humans as our equals and treating them with respect, I am going to act like my ancestors did: Namely, viewing anyone who is different as a threat."
The whole point of learning human history is to avoid the repetition of bad things, like RACISM. Additionally, I won't dispute that our ancestors were racist. But I will dispute the idea that that means we then have a license to treat people like freaks just because their skin color or facial features differ from ours.

But we are where we are today, because of the actions of our ancestors. Western Society was created solely by Europeans, I do not see how embracing individuals we did not need, benefits us, but I do see how it degrades living standards.

 

[Yuzzi]

I don't like racism in general, but, sorry to say, I am a realist when it comes to foreigners around here. Before you begin your shitstorm: No! I'm not really a racist, but I really tend to have my views on immigrants. I live in Finland. For other Finns on the forum, this probably explains a lot.
Anyway, here are a couple of examples: My bike was stolen by a guy from Afghanistan. (I got it back, though.) My dad's cousin was robbed by presumably Somalians. My grandmother's wallet got stolen by immigrants. My ex-classmate's arm was broken by an immigrant, because she was in his way.

In one of the cities in Finland, 70% of reported rapes are done by immigrants. 40-50% of the reported rapes in general here are done by immigrants.

...Man, this post makes me look like an asshole. But, uh... Hey, I have immigrants as friends, too!

 

[SupaMechaDeathChrist]

I don't like racism in general, but, sorry to say, I am a realist when it comes to foreigners around here. Before you begin your shitstorm: No! I'm not really a racist, but I really tend to have my views on immigrants. I live in Finland. For other Finns on the forum, this probably explains a lot.
Anyway, here are a couple of examples: My bike was stolen by a guy from Afghanistan. (I got it back, though.) My dad's cousin was robbed by presumably Somalians. My grandmother's wallet got stolen by immigrants. My ex-classmate's arm was broken by an immigrant, because she was in his way.

In one of the cities in Finland, 70% of reported rapes are done by immigrants. 40-50% of the reported rapes in general here are done by immigrants.

...Man, this post makes me look like an asshole. But, uh... Hey, I have immigrants as friends, too!

no need to feel like an ass whole in this thread or on escapist just post to get your thoughts out and never feel bad about and if you do feel like an ass hole on something like this just say to your self "what are they gonna do huh? call the FBI? have me arrested? hire assassins to kill me cause i was a little "racist" " that always works with me.

 

[Kimjira19]

You see, it's that "one way or another" part that bugs me.
Your point is valid, but you're talking about history, not today.
In today's modern society, I can't imagine how an irrational and groundless belief that one group of people is inherently and unconditionally "better" than another group whose difference comes only from some totally arbitrary and irrelevant factoid is good or beneficial towards humanity in the slightest.

You're right.
Racism in the past has led to great and interesting things but, like Freudian psychology, it's salad days are over. It's come and gone, done a few gigs and signed a few autographs, that's it. Unfortunately, it suffers from a severe case of Rolling Stones Syndrome, in that it doesn't seem to know when to motherfucking DIE!

In summary: You are right, but my point stands.

Indeed...