UK pedo caught by DSi. Confesses to sex (multiple times) with girl (9-11), Gets 3.5 years. Wat.

[Elate]

Something isn't being said here.

One, how did he not notice a picture being taken, she's 11, and must of had to hold it while taking the picture, and has been previously mentioned, there is a sound, and it was of his hand. How exactly you prove it's one persons hand on a DSi camera, I don't know.

Two, this has been going on for a few years, yet the girl never said anything, but suddenly thought "I'll take a picture with my DSi", seems a bit strange.

Not saying the man isn't guilty, but something just seems very off.

 

[Bloodstain]

Hell yeah, it's incredibly unjust if people don't get beaten to near-death in prison!
Wait...no, it's not, because prison is about resocialisation, and not about some sort of revenge so those complying with society's norms can feel better about themselves. My bad.

Jumping to conclusions gets you nowhere fast.

I don't want him to be beaten by inmates. I'd like the death penalty, but that's out of the question since this happend in Britain. I want him to serve an actual sentence, and be forced into hard therapy for a LONG time. If he doesn't pass therapy, he doesn't get back in to society.

Generally demanding a "long" sentence is unnecessary. You cannot generalise time, different people need different amounts of time to change. Put him into therapy until he conforms with our norms (I won't say that our norms are right or wrong, there is no answer to that) and then release him, granting him every right that other people have as well. That is all I say.
Well, you at least said it is unjust for the prison to protect him from other inmates.
Quote:

He'll be coddled, protected, and isolated from the rest of the prisoners.

Like I said, there's no fucking justice in the world.

If you want to reeducate the offender by having him offered to other inmates as a punching bag, let me tell you: It's an incomplete system. That way, he will only refrain from doing such things because he doesn't want to be beaten up again. However, we must strive for something far greater: He must stop doing such tings on his own accord. Give him therapy (while treating him with the respect he deserves as a human being), give him back his freedom when he shows that he understands. I take it we agree that if he doesn't pass, he shouldn't be granted all of his freedoms (however, I think you should allow him to leave the country as long as another country permits him to stay there...but that's a wholly different story).
In my opinion, we should go even farther: We must shape society (and thus people) in a way that undesirable traits vanish. I don't think that human nature is inherently bad, or inherently anything ? I regard people as tabulæ rasæ. People are shaped by their surroundings, it's the behaviouran mindset. Change the surroundings to change a human being. But that is a different discussion as well. Besides, people tend to portray me as a villain striving to construct his own panopticon when I say that there should be more centralised control of culture, society and conventions.

If I somehow understood your quote above in a wrong way, then please, feel free to correct my mistake.
Besides, I don't really understand what you consider to be "hard" therapy. Please elaborate.

Also, your belief here:

And no, not every sex had with a child is rape.

Is flat-out wrong. Any time an adult has sex with a child it is rape. No, I'm not talking about the loose legal definition of "minors", I'm talking about children around the age of the girl in this story. IT'S RAPE.

First of all, labeling beliefs "wrong" is a very questionable thing to do.
Secondly, I submit it is a question of definition: "Rape" in the sense of "having sex with someone against their will" or in a legal sense? In a legal sense, you are right, sex with minors is always considered rape.
Regarding the other definition, I don't agree. Of course, there is no doubt that most of the time, sex with children is a case of rape. However, I don't think that every such incident was without consent. Is it really that hard to believe that no one, not a singlue human being in history, has ever had sex with someone as a child without regretting it? If a child agrees to it, still considers it okay during the act and still doesn't regret it afterwards, I fail to see how that could be called 'rape'. If it regrets if afterwards, it's a more difficult question: After all, adults can regret sex as well without it being rape. But please, let's stop this sub-topic. I don't want to involve myself in a "Can children give real consent to sex?", because what follows are discussions on what is 'real consent', and whether such things as 'love' are clearly defined or just subjective (if love is subjective, then a child can feel 'love' to strangers as well, and no one could ever say the child is wrong)....and there we are, locked in an ever-increasing amount of discussions without clear answers. I am too tired for those today.

Though, I suppose I shouldn't expect any better from someone with your avatar.

...because of what? Because people who watch anime are paedophiles? Because people who enjoy Lucky Star and its humour are paedophiles? (Feel free to replace 'paedophile' with 'people who are okay with raping children' or whatever negative description you feel best describes your view)
It's not very friendly to reduce people to a single hobby of theirs ? especially if I wonder whether one could still call it a 'hobby' of mine. I enjoyed anime in the past, and still I would enjoy it...however, I have more important things to do, I don't really have the time or strong desire to watch anime. In my opinion, it theoretically still qualifies as being called a 'hobby', but then again, I know people who really regard anime as a hobby of theirs...compared with them, my own liking pales in insignificance.
I am far away from what people call 'otaku' or even just 'anime fan'. I must ask you to judge me based on my posts instead of my avatar.

EDIT: Also, I re-read your post. DO YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE RAPING 9-11 YEAR OLDS DOESN'T COUNT AS PEDOPHILIA? That's fucking sick. They are pre-pubescent kids, and I don't care HOW much anime you've watched, there is NO justification for believing 9-11 year olds are capable of consent. NONE.

That is not what I meant. Now, who is the one jumping to conclusions here?
I am unsure whether it qualifies as paedophilia because this may already be considered hebephilia. It is once again a question of definition. Besides, even if it were rape ? it still probably isn't paedophilia, statistically guessing. Most incidents of child rape aren't. Most child rapists are just sexually frustrated relatives or family friends who take advantage of the child's defencelessness. Paedophilia is more than having sex with children, paedophilia is regarding children as one's primary centre of sexual attraction. We don't know if that man is such a person (but he is a family friend, so chances are he took advantage of the situation to live out his urges with someone who can'defend himself).

Still, I must say I don't like the implications included in your last paragraph, of which there are several:

(1) By saying it may not be paedophilia, I am saying that she gave consent, and thus that it's okay for him to have had sex with her

Considering that she filmed it and showed it to her mother, I think it is safe to say that she was having sex against her will, i.e., that she was raped.

(2) Because of enjoying anime, I am fine with raping children

Well, it actually may surprise you to learn that I am not fine with raping children. In fact, I am unfine with raping children.


Ah, internet arguments. Making me write novel-length posts.

 

[Bloodstain]

Also, I am not sure if 9-11 still counts as paedophilia.

for the most part yes it always is... pedophilia (a psychological condition) refers to an attraction to prepubescents and usually 9-11 year olds haven't gone through puberty yet... now ephebophilia (not a psychological condition) refers to a sexual preference for mid-to-late adolescents (generally 14-19)... while technically not considered a mental illness, depending on local laws about age of consent it could still legally be flagged under the same laws that cover pedophilia

but "pedophile" is a word like "racist" people just like to yell it at random and almost never actually use it properly

I reckon those words' definitions leave some leeway. I am abhorred by the fact that some sexual orientations are considered "ill" to begin with. I can understand that people say "It's not fit for our society, we can't tolerate those things". But labeling it "mentally ill" is just very...presumptuous, in mine eyes.
But yes, if you want to gain attraction, just yell 'racist' or 'paedophile'...modern journalism, you disappoint me.

Something isn't being said here.

One, how did he not notice a picture being taken, she's 11, and must of had to hold it while taking the picture, and has been previously mentioned, there is a sound, and it was of his hand. How exactly you prove it's one persons hand on a DSi camera, I don't know.

Two, this has been going on for a few years, yet the girl never said anything, but suddenly thought "I'll take a picture with my DSi", seems a bit strange.

Not saying the man isn't guilty, but something just seems very off.

I agree, something smells fishy. It certainly isn't a well-chosen article.

 

[Zingtea]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. . . we need a Chinese-style system of law and order.

As well as a Chinese-style one-party dictatorship, right?

 

[oktalist]

The sentencing guidelines for this offence (penetration by finger of child under 13) start at 2.5 years in prison. The judge must have decided that there were additional aggravating factors, such as the offender being a trusted family friend, in order to give a sentence longer than that. If the offence had been rape, the guideline starting point would have been 7.5 years. After release he will be monitored and supported by the probation service for the same amount of time that he was in prison for, and if caught misbehaving, may have to return to prison for the remainder of that time. The maximum sentence for either offence is life imprisonment, which in the UK means imprisonement for between 10 and 20 years followed by imprisonment for an indeterminate term until such time as the parole board has satisfied itself that you are no longer a threat to society.

If you think the sentencing guidelines are too lenient, then the appropriate course of action is to write to your MP about it.

I like facts. Facts are good.

 

[Zingtea]

I wonder how many of the people advocating punitive rape, torture, capital punishment, longer sentencing, etc have actually experienced any of these things themselves.

 

[Halfstache]

an illness in defined as "an unhealthy condition of body or mind" so by social and natural norms wanting to have sex with someone who is prepubescent is an illness... not all illness is physical... the fact that it also happens to be a sexual preference doesn't matter... it's just like how a serial killer is usually considered mentally ill because their thought pattern doesn't fit in with our social rules an norms so is considered "unhealthy" behavior... by definition "unhealthy" can also mean morally contaminated, dangerous or risky... so mental illness is defined as a psychological pattern, potentially reflected in behavior, that is generally associated with distress or disability, and which is not considered part of normal development of a person's culture.

by definition calling a pedophile mentally ill is spot on and not at all presumptuous

again if people took 2 seconds to learn the ACTUAL definition of words it would make things easier to understand

But by that logic, wouldn't being homosexual be considered a mental illness as well? At their core, they are the same thing (sexual attraction to someone/something other than an adult of opposite gender).

 

[Substitute Troll]

Isn't 9-11 a little old for it be actual paedophilia?

Lol. What.

I don't know what kind of super-genes you have in your country, but where I live, 9 year old girls generally haven't hit puberty.

 

[Halfstache]

it use to be (still is in some places and to some people) but you have to pay attention to the definition when it says "part of normal development of a person's culture" ... homosexuality is now accepted in many cultures thus it no longer falls in that definition... it's kinda of arbitrary but so are all morals and social norms... they don't actually exist outside of us making them up... serial killers and rapists are considered mentally ill yet other than by our arbitrary social rules there is nothing naturally or physically wrong with most of them...

Precisely the point I am trying to make is that if the definition of "mental illness" is determined by arbitrary social rules, then labeling anything as a mental illness is completely pointless, because as society changes, things that were once considered an "illness" can become accepted, and things that were once accepted become an "illness".

 

[franconbean]

The Justice system in the UK is weird. You will find it pretty difficult to get a good job if you have a criminal record, though sentencing is very mild (Potentially as few as 10 years for murder, or something). This means that when a person is released from jail, they have very few options ahead of them apart from re-offend. Only the most diabolical people in the UK get a "life" sentence where "life imprisonment" actually means you will stay there until your death.

 

[Swyftstar]

3.5 years may not seem like a long time but if word gets out about what he's in for it will seem like a lifetime. People of his ilk are not treated kindly in prison.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

3.5 years.

And when he gets out, he'll fucking do the exact same thing again.

Justice? What justice?

thats 3.5 years of constant rape and brutal beatings. pedos in prison are the lowest in the totem pole, every one beats on them.

You do realize that prison isn't some type of anarchistic free-for-all, right? He'll be coddled, protected, and isolated from the rest of the prisoners.

Like I said, there's no fucking justice in the world.

Legal system isn't about justice. You want justice become a vigilante. Prisons are supposed to rehabilitate people. At least that's the official word. 3.5 years is enough for that. Not every legal system is like in America where you put people in prison for 30 years for downloading a few songs. That's because not every country in the world has private fuckin' prisons like we do in America. Those private prisons have contracts with the government that basically say they have to stay 90% populated at all times. So it's very good business to throw people in jail in America. That's fucked up. Luckily it's not like that in UK. And you can bet your ass they have enough influence on judges, prosecutors and defense lawyers. And not to mention the media that demonizes these crimes to irrational extent and put fear in people. Child molesters are sick people. They need help, not hate.