Unbalanced Justice?

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A few weeks ago there was a new story in the city I live in of a father who left a loaded gun in a place where his 3 year old child could get it. Sure enough the inevitable happened and the child shot himself. The parents are currently being charged with child neglect and child endangerment (and a coupe other things I think).

Over the past few years, there have been numerous stories of young kids whose parents forget they're in the car during the summer months leading to the deaths of these children, and yet none of these parents are ever charged. It just goes down as a horrible accident.

The most recent case of this - to compare to the gun story - is one of a white teacher from a decent part of town while the gun story comes from a black family in a not-so-decent part of town. I was listening to a local talk radio station discuss the case of the teacher who left her kid in the car and whether or not she should be charged. Some lady called in saying that there's a BIG difference between the two stories, that the gun family should be charged and that the teacher should not be charged. One of the hosts of the radio station was voicing what was essentially my opinion that both the cases should either carry criminal charges or they should both be declared horrible accidents while the other host was supporting the caller saying that there's a difference between leaving a loaded gun in a place where a kid can get it and leaving your kid in a broiling car.

Here's how I see it...

"Well you just don't forget you have a loaded gun in the house and should always put it somewhere safe!" Yeah, well you also just don't forget that you have a child - YOUR OFFSPRING - strapped into a car seat in a blazing hot car.

"Yeah, but loaded guns are easily recognizable as being dangerous!" Yeah, and alllllll the child deaths over the past few summers (I think something like 600 over the past 5 years or something) kinda prove that a hot car is easily recognizable as being dangerous.

Personally I think in both cases, criminal charges should be brought up due to both cases being the death of a child as a result of a "forgetful parent", but the host that was voicing the opinion that I agreeded with brought up the point that one reason society might look more sympathetically towards the teacher rather than the gun family is specifically due to the socio-economic divide between the two. White teacher from a good area vs black family from a bad area. For that reason, above all else, I think that both these cases should be handled the same. Either you charge both of them criminally, or you don't charge either of them criminally.

How about you, my fellow Escapists? Is it fair to say that a parent that leaves their kid in a burning hot car because "they forgot" is forgiveable while a parent that leaves a loaded gun out because "they forgot" isn't? Or should both families be treated the same?
 

Aris Khandr

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Both cases sound like horrible accidents to me. I see no reason to add criminal charges to the horrible feelings I am sure the parents are already dealing with.
 

Sean Hollyman

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'I forgot' Is probably the lamest sounding excuse, though usually one of the few legit ones.


If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them, and stab them in the heart.
 

Snippy the Shoe

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How do you FORGET that you've left your child in a hot car?

I've noticed plenty of "Dogs die in hot cars" warnings so it should be common sense not to do the same with your kids.
 

alandavidson

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The legal precedent for that kind of stuff is typically negligent homicide or manslaughter, usually with child endangerment thrown on top. And that's fair because that's exactly what it was in both cases you stated.
 

spartan231490

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Aris Khandr said:
Both cases sound like horrible accidents to me. I see no reason to add criminal charges to the horrible feelings I am sure the parents are already dealing with.
This^ So much this^ I mean, if the guy left the gun on the coffee table, charge him. But if it was in a drawer or somewhere where it was reasonably difficult for the child to reach, he's still a fucking moron for a few reasons, but you shouldn't add insult to injury by charging them for an accident. We don't charge people with neglect when their kids get lost or kidnapped in the normal course of events, this should be no different.

I have mixed feelings about the damn car thing, cuz when I was a kid, and I got left in the car. On the rare occasion that it got too hot, I rolled the fucking window down. If he's too young to work the god damn window, he's too young to be left alone anywhere, car or no damn car.
 

The Funslinger

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Eh, you're just as dead if you die by gunshot than if you die by cooking.

It should logically have been the same/similar punishment. To be honest, I would rather be shot than die of cooking/dehydration. I'm not saying a gunshot is a painless death, but it's done and dusted much quicker than the latter. One is more of a straight up death, and the other certainly has elements of torture in there, accidental or not. So perhaps the ones who left their babies in the car should get a steeper punishment.
 

Clearing the Eye

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Hopefully people guilty of leaving loaded weapons laying around that result in injury or death get hefty, hefty convictions. Perhaps the lax attitude so many Yanks have in regards to firearms will be shocked out of them.
 

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Binnsyboy said:
Eh, you're just as dead if you die by gunshot than if you die by cooking.

It should logically have been the same/similar punishment. To be honest, I would rather be shot than die of cooking/dehydration. I'm not saying a gunshot is a painless death, but it's done and dusted much quicker than the latter. One is more of a straight up death, and the other certainly has elements of torture in there, accidental or not. So perhaps the ones who left their babies in the car should get a steeper punishment.
"Cooking to death." *shudder* It sounds as bad as it feels, I bet.
 

shintakie10

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Eh, whether the legal system charges them or not the parents of these accidental deaths will be punished accordingly anyway. Think about it. Because of their forgetfulness they have cost the life of their own child. What kind of guilt do you think those people will have to deal with for the rest of their life? Tossin them in jail or finin them beyond that wouldn't be more of a punishment than whatever they themselves will endure.
 

Lunatic High

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I think logically speaking the gun family SHOULD be charged with something and the teacher shouldn't be mainly because, sure you can leave a kid in a hot car just not for anything longer than 10 minutes and even then it wouldn't die and I don't think it was specified how long the kid was left in the vehicle anyways whereas no matter how long a kid is left alone with a loaded gun its always dangerous, what with guns being a tool for killing and so many toy guns being around for the last 1000 years or whatever to be be played with by kids. A hot car on the other hand (depending on how long the child was left unattended) is not always a life threatening situation.

But either way who cares, just a kid in the long run, theres alot of them around.
 

Kaymish

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shintakie10 said:
Eh, whether the legal system charges them or not the parents of these accidental deaths will be punished accordingly anyway. Think about it. Because of their forgetfulness they have cost the life of their own child. What kind of guilt do you think those people will have to deal with for the rest of their life? Tossin them in jail or finin them beyond that wouldn't be more of a punishment than whatever they themselves will endure.
problem is that here you are assuming that the parents actually give a damn about their children in the first place and I am willing to wager that at least some of them don't why else would you leave your kid in the car on a baking hot day unless you are stupid and stupidity is not a reasonable defence IMO
I remember when I was young my parents would not leave me in the car during the summer not even for 5 seconds and it is not as hot here as it gets in the states i have seen weather reports of it getting to 35 degrees over there
 

Vicarious Reality

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It is illegal to not lock your guns in a safe here, i see no reason to dispute that law interpretation

It can not get warm enough be dangerous here, i am not sure about that