^ He has also never missed an opportunity to gripe about Souls games being bad on here, yet there is literally no end to commentary of all kinds for that series. It was a pretty baseless comment to make in the first place.
Uncharted: The Lost Legacy launch trailer
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The Lost Legacy doesn't have as much polish as the previous games, being a spin-off/DLC deal and all. It was also made in about a year. This is why Chloe has a lot of Drake's moves instead of customized ones, which is usually a staple in Naughty Dog games. The faces also lack the high level of detail and animation quality of 4. And there's an action sequence similar to the jeep chase in 4, but a lot less refined. Showing how much time and effort Naughty Dog usually takes in making these sequences entertaining, overseeable, and not overbearing.Ezekiel said:
Ezekiel said:
The guy doesn't even use the roll at all besides for saving time between gunfights, the roll is useless same with the cover system. At least Bayo and Vanquish have SKIPPABLE cutscenes whereas Dan Houser is so pretentious he doesn't even allow you to skip his drivel. I'll take an unskippable cutscene that's just a still image with a track from Bayo's soundtrack playing than any of the godawful cutscenes from MP3. I don't even look for videos on specific games, I just watch general gaming vids like Super BunnyHop, Errant Signal, Game Maker's Toolkit, etc. The fact that I've never seen a MP3 video while I see Vanquish pop up quite a bit like in the video about cover systems (that just popped up on my feed a few days back) says a lot when MP3 sold far better than Vanquish. There's just nothing unique or special that MP3 accomplished. Also, that speedrun video also demonstrates that MP3 has the same issue as the first Uncharted where pistols are as good if not better than ARs for some reason, the guy literally states that he only carries a AR in case he runs out of pistol ammo, that's literally the only time I used ARs in the 1st Uncharted was when I ran out of pistol ammo. ARs should be better than pistols in any competent shooter.Ezekiel said:
Lastly, look at how much more fun Vanquish looks when someone is just going for a speed challenge, which normally isn't that fun to watch for most games.
I don't think the Souls games are bad, it's just the combat is overly basic, simple, and repetitive. I love the level design and atmosphere. Maybe you can find a post where I say the Souls games sucked or something but that was probably on a bad day or due to the fact that people actually think they are legitimately hard games for some reason. I just hate feeling like I'm wasting my time doing busywork in any game whether it's fighting trash mobs in a Souls game or doing inventory management in an RPG that shouldn't be there. I even made a thread [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.945997-The-Souls-series-does-inventory-management-brilliantly-by-RPG-discussion-as-well] about how Souls does inventory management brilliantly.hanselthecaretaker said:
Also, I'm not on an island all by myself as multiple people here did loathe [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/663.996753-How-did-you-play-Max-Payne-3-and-how-did-you-like-it?page=1] MP3. But I'm not trying to say don't buy the game and get Vanquish, try it if you think you'll like it.
Uncharted, much like God of War, needs everything to be firing on all cylinders because the core gameplay can't carry the game on its own. God of War is a casual spectacle fighter and Uncharted is a casual TPS. Uncharted 2 delivers with the most enjoyable romp (story & characters), the best level design with the most variety (making the gameplay seem as fresh as it can for as long as it can), and the set-pieces were of course the best.Ezekiel said:
So he used the roll for one section in the whole game? Both the roll and cover system could've been replaced with other mechanics that would actually have more usefulness.Ezekiel said:
And how many games actually have that? Very few. I'd rather have cheese than seriousness that can't be pulled off. I'll take Bayo/Vanquish/Lollipop Chainsaw over a game trying to be serious and failing. Also, there's no reason to have an unskippable cutscene no matter how legitimately good the actual scene is because on multiple playthroughs, it just becomes annoying like how more time in the MP3 speedrun is cutscene vs actual gameplay.
Even the video you linked to (the retrospective), the guy says MP3 was pretty hated saying it seemed like it was only liked around a 20/80 split. PG makes games with depth, there's loads of depth under that flash. Even God Hand was featured in TotalBiscuit's "This is why we can't have nice things" series.
Really, comparing a movie to a game? ARs should be better guns because they are better guns. You don't need bullet deviation to make pistols worse than ARs. Pistols just simply do less damage. Every weapon in any game should be viable and have its pros and cons.
The reason Vanquish is so good is because when you watch a video of high-level play, it's just not that guy has really great aim like the MP3 speedrun. There's more going on than just aim and shoot. You're pretty hypocritical is saying you don't like Metal Gear Rising because you didn't know how you're supposed to play yet complain that people don't like MP3 because they don't know how to play. I fully understand how to play MP3, it just sucked IMO. Yeah, the controls don't feel quite right on a controller, but if the controls were perfect, I still wouldn't have liked the game much. Playing on Hard was a mistake as well.
The roll is basically useless, nobody uses it, plus you have to double-tap the button to roll along with their being a bit a lag to Max actually rolling. The fact that he had to use it in bullet-time for it to "work" says a lot.Ezekiel said:
Ha, I don't think any game has a worse story than MP3. I'd rather watch an Asylum movie.
We've gotten to the point where cover should be a mechanic that entails more than just sticking to a wall. Perhaps, if the crouch button actually worked, there wouldn't be a need for a cover button.
You gave up on a game because you didn't know how to play it (blaming the game for it) yet criticize others for giving up on MP3 because they didn't know how to play it. Is it then not MP3's fault for people playing it wrong? Much of Vanquish's enjoyment, much like Dishonored actually, is based on how creative the player is. I play shooters backwards of you, I run around in the open as much as possible to see how much I can get away with then use cover if needed vs using cover then trying to use less of it. Vanquish probably lets you stay in the open more than any other shooter.
Ezekiel said:
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/958970-max-payne-3/62849752
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/958969-max-payne-3/62850378
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/958970-max-payne-3/62845396
https://steamcommunity.com/app/204100/discussions/0/624076027479940242/
MP3 is literally the worst game I've ever played, obviously IMO. What do you want me to say that is positive about the game? There isn't much obviously if it's the worst game I ever played. I guess the one thing MP3 does is allowing a run and shoot, but that's really it. You say Vanquish's slide is silly, MP3's roll is silly and completely detached from the weight of Max's other animations. I only went through the 1st page of the Vanquish thread there, but nobody flat out hated Vanquish in that thread while at least 2 other people (besides me) HATED MP3. Don't you think MP3 does things that make people have such extreme reactions to the game?
Really? You're going to criticize Vanquish for the auto slow-mo on low health when MP3's last stand mode is the worst. When I figured out how the health/painkiller system all worked, I started using painkillers to refill my health at about a 3rd of Max's body being red because last stand mode just wastes precious painkillers. Not saying Vanquish's system is perfect or can't be criticized but MP3's last stand is the worst.
Phoenixmgs said:Ezekiel said:
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/958970-max-payne-3/62849752
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/958969-max-payne-3/62850378
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/958970-max-payne-3/62845396
https://steamcommunity.com/app/204100/discussions/0/624076027479940242/
MP3 is literally the worst game I've ever played, obviously IMO. What do you want me to say that is positive about the game? There isn't much obviously if it's the worst game I ever played. I guess the one thing MP3 does is allowing a run and shoot, but that's really it. You say Vanquish's slide is silly, MP3's roll is silly and completely detached from the weight of Max's other animations. I only went through the 1st page of the Vanquish thread there, but nobody flat out hated Vanquish in that thread while at least 2 other people (besides me) HATED MP3. Don't you think MP3 does things that make people have such extreme reactions to the game?
Really? You're going to criticize Vanquish for the auto slow-mo on low health when MP3's last stand mode is the worst. When I figured out how the health/painkiller system all worked, I started using painkillers to refill my health at about a 3rd of Max's body being red because last stand mode just wastes precious painkillers. Not saying Vanquish's system is perfect or can't be criticized but MP3's last stand is the worst.
I think you're being disingenuously slanderous based on little more than your own personal tastes here. That double tap thing only applies to the button-starved console version, as he rolls-lag-free-with a mere press of the G key default on PC. I've also never had a problem with low cover, or crouching in general as I remember you criticizing in another thread.
I've only played the first three stages so far, but the game has exceptional shooting mechanics, and movement in general is at worst competent within the game's design. My biggest complaints in terms of gameplay so far would be Max being somewhat selective over what he'll vault over, and sprint being almost no different than normal movement speed. The kill cams can be jarring sometimes, but since they only happen on the last enemy in an area, it doesn't hurt anything.
My biggest complaint overall so far would be the cutscenes, which have somewhat atrocious presentation. I know they were going for a certain style, but it's almost like they gave some hipster reject intern a few lines of coke and a bottle of absinthe and said have at it. I would've preferred the simple comic style editing, or at least leave those annoying multi-layered/colored filters out if they want to segue into gameplay. This post on RPS [https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/forums/showthread.php?5160-Argh!-Max-Payne-3-so-much-potential-so-many-schoolboy-errors] pretty much mirrors what I find most displeasing about the game's awkward presentation.
Aside from that, the game is one of the more fun TPS's I've played in a long while. Why? Because I like games where it feels like you're actually controlling a physical being with some presence in the world they occupy, and not some abjectly trivial cardboard cutout bouncing, sliding or otherwise outlandishly traversing the playspace. I won't even comment on comparing it to anything else though; especially not a game like Vanquish which I've never played, but after watching a few minutes of gameplay have no interest in doing so anyways. It's clear you like a different style of gameplay, but that doesn't make other gameplay styles bad.
If I play a game on PS3, I can't use a keyboard. I console game because I don't like using a keyboard, it wasn't designed for gaming. It's the mouse that is the core reason why KB/M is objectively superior to a controller, not the keyboard. And one of those links was from Steam, meaning it was concerning the PC version.Ezekiel said:
LMAO, you're going to tell me that I'm wrong about what the worst game I ever played is? Seriously?
You're bringing realism into a Platinum game? All of Vanquish's animations are consistent with the quick response animations the game has vs how the roll in MP3 feels out-of-place compared to Max's other movements. Also, bringing realism into MP3 would make it look probably even worse than Vanquish, which at least has the excuse of "it's a fucking power suit".
Maybe if you knew how to properly play Vanquish, you'd see where the fun is. You just posted about how you need to use cover and can't stay out in the open in Vanquish. The guy was playing for speed, not style and even then it looks far more fun than 99.9% of speedruns, which are normally pretty boring like the MP3 one you posted where it's just mainly, "yeah, that guy has good aim." I know you'll get pissed over this but "technically" Vanquish doesn't even have a health system. I'm not the biggest fan of the slow-mo near death in Vanquish but it is better than MP3's last stand. I didn't realize Old School removes last stand nor did I know I would hate it so much either. I didn't like really anything about MP3 so why would I replay it? Also, using the classic MGS ration system would've been 100x better than last stand, auto use painkiller on upon death basically or even use 2 painkillers (wasting one) since it's auto basically.
Or you could've used the 180 quick-turn and shoot-dodge, which would've been faster...Ezekiel said:
I posted several links where people had issues with crouch/prone being unresponsive, even the PC version too.
Shooters don't need many buttons, they are pretty simple overall. It's devs that don't know how to design a proper control scheme as demonstrated by MP3 on consoles.Ezekiel said:
You brought up like rib damage and shit. You actually think Max would be able to physically roll based on how he moves; it would be like John McClane doing a roll in a Die Hard movie (the good ones). It's as ridiculous as Nick Frost's roll in The World's End.
You should only use cover to jump over it in slow-mo, jump off it, or smoke a cigarette. Vanquish Hard isn't very hard especially with a mouse for aiming. The biggest challenges are the challenge modes and God Hard (which just isn't fun anyways). Boost-dodge FTW.
Phoenixmgs said:
If it's a good game and has multiple difficulty levels, then it should be especially fun on the higher ones, as that's where the gameplay would truly shine as its design intended. Your comments along with several in this thread [http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=655427] that mirror it suggest this is not the case with Vanquish.
I'm only playing MP3 on Hard now because higher difficulties are still locked, but once I get through this initial run and learn the mechanics well I can easily see how using everything the game gives you will increase my enjoyment higher up. That is the sign of a good game, objectively speaking.
You can take difficulty too far in any game. Uncharted on Crushing isn't fun while not even being difficult all at the same time. Vanquish's Hard mode is the sweet spot. Bayonetta definitely has a better ultimate difficulty in comparison. Vanquish also had separate Challenge maps that are harder than the campaign on Hard while still being very fun; I was never able to beat the final wave of Challenge 6, those damn double bogeys...hanselthecaretaker said:
And, you can do reload cancels in Vanquish with a controller. MP3's control scheme is bad designed for controllers, with a proper control scheme, I can most likely do all that on a controller as you can keep going with like every possible action that I don't feel like actually thinking through it all while creating the most efficient controller control scheme at 4am.Ezekiel said:
Max is far less sluggish in the other games. I would say the shoot-dodge antics and slow-mo "set-pieces" are the only things that make MP3 like a John Woo movie. The roll just looks weird/off to me, I can see younger Max doing it, but not MP3 Max. I wouldn't be surprised if the roll actually takes less frames than how long it takes Max to get up from prone, the roll is just too fast of an animation IMO. The roll looks bad in other Rockstar games too like GTA. Just compare the "Rockstar roll" to Uncharted's roll for example.
We'll have to wait and see. Most of the elements are in place; Both Troy Baker and Ashley Johnson return as Joel and Ellie, Neil Druckmann is handling the story, and even Gustavo Santaolalla is the doing the music again. Unfortunately Bruce Straley is sitting this one out as game director, which is a real shame since he's responsable for Naughty Dog's best games.dscross said:
You said you didn't know how you're supposed to play it, not me. MGR is still in my backlog of games anyways. I was merely pointing out that you "quit" MGR because you didn't know how to play (again, your words) while complaining that others didn't get how to play MP3 and unfairly disliked the game.Ezekiel said:
I'd say 2/5 is bad. 3/5 sounds like something that's at least worth one play through. But 2/5 seems like a score for a game that may at least be functional but is just so derivative and void of quality on various fronts it makes the play recoil. 1/5 would be a near-unbearable mess. Maybe that's your baseline definition of bad though.Ezekiel said:
Actually, now that I think of it like this, 2/5 sounds about right for an unpleasant experience.