Unfair Benefits
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If you are refering to "affirmative action", the search button is your friend.
I wouldn't normally, but we had two of these threads, and yours adds nothing new to the discussion.
I wouldn't normally, but we had two of these threads, and yours adds nothing new to the discussion.
I think for the fact that we all have the benefit on living on what was their ancestral land without any chance for them to ever get any of it back, it's a pretty good deal.
You do realize that nearly all of them have lost their entire ancestral homelands and have only recently begun to take steps to regain their cultural heritage. Here is a free history lesson from the good folks at PBS.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/weshallremain/
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/weshallremain/
I think what it boils down to is the race clamoring for equality, then the whiteys giving in and giving them extra benefits. Natives don't deserve them anymore, they all have casinos and are taking back America one nickel at a time (stereotypes are fun characatures {misspelled that probably}, except when people take them serious instead of realizing they are jokes).
Blacks tend to be the loudest about their fight for equality. THough I doubt most of them know what true equality is. True equality means everyone is equal and no one person gets an advantage without earning it. Affirmitvie Action goes against that principle, but the complainers would never allow it to disappear.
I know, I turned it from the Natives to the blacks (African-Americans does not apply to most blacks, since they are born citizens to America and not immigrants from Africa that got US citizen later in life), but it applys to both really.
Blacks tend to be the loudest about their fight for equality. THough I doubt most of them know what true equality is. True equality means everyone is equal and no one person gets an advantage without earning it. Affirmitvie Action goes against that principle, but the complainers would never allow it to disappear.
I know, I turned it from the Natives to the blacks (African-Americans does not apply to most blacks, since they are born citizens to America and not immigrants from Africa that got US citizen later in life), but it applys to both really.
Those "benefits" are actually treaty rights because they are the indigenous people of the US and the first European colonists and then the independent US government signed treaties with them recognizing their sovereignty. The fact is that all of the treaties have been broken by the US government but now the because of international law the US has to abide by them.Amund said:
Actually few Indian Casinos turn a good profit and black people are complaining about equality because crazy & angry old white men are still shooting them to death.demoman_chaos said:
I know you are an angry young white man but until you become mature enough to see life through someone elses' eyes you really should remain one of Regan's silent(very silent) majority.
You cannot claim the Indians have unfair benefits. These benefits they have are the result of treaties between the United States and their ancestors. Nobody seems to complain about treaties entered into with other nations, why not ones with the nations that existed on the land before the US was here? They where defeated militarily and as such they suffered for many years under unfair things like Indian Relocation Act.
To say that having them life (in most cases) in near poverty on reservations that make up a fraction of their original lands is unfair, well that is just crazy talk man.
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I hate the term African American by the way, since someone decided to use the term.
What about the whites of Africa? How come nobody is calling Dave Matthews African American? Oh yeah, cause he is white. The dude is as "African American" As you can get, being born in Johannesburg, South Africa and currently residing in the US.
The term is a part of the stupid PCisms that started spreading around in the 90's. I am sure it was around before, but it spread with all the others created then.
To say that having them life (in most cases) in near poverty on reservations that make up a fraction of their original lands is unfair, well that is just crazy talk man.
Edit:
I hate the term African American by the way, since someone decided to use the term.
What about the whites of Africa? How come nobody is calling Dave Matthews African American? Oh yeah, cause he is white. The dude is as "African American" As you can get, being born in Johannesburg, South Africa and currently residing in the US.
The term is a part of the stupid PCisms that started spreading around in the 90's. I am sure it was around before, but it spread with all the others created then.
Tis why I said one nickel at a time rather than one dime or quarter at a time.Rigs83 said:
They are actually shooting each other more than teh whiteys, special thanks to the rap culture.
I am not an angry person, pretty calm actually.
I look at things as a whole, not from one person's view in particular. As a whole unfair benefits are bad. They divide up the people and make racial disputes worse. If there was no such thing as affimitive action, people would stop complaining about things being racist without justification, and someone would shut Al Sharpton up people would forget about the racial difference. In a generation or two, nobody would care about skin color.
What it all boils down to is Whitey feeling sorry for what his ancestors did and trying to make up for it.
Rap does not make black people shoot each other any more than videogames make white people go shoot up high schools and malls. As for people being divided up, the US government has for generation purposely divided up minority through law (segregation), highway construction (minority communities were the first to get the wrecking ball in order to build overpasses, freeways and highway exits) tax codes that allowed US industries to move blue collar jobs overseas thus forcing many middle class people of all races into poverty but when you add the double blow of federal loan policies that made it near impossible for minorities to leave the decaying cities centers while empowering white people to easily move to the suburbs (white flight) which crippled funding for schools with a high population of minorities. These were not policies implemented by long dead peoples but the policies of the Greatest Generation who fought in World War 2. I respect their service but the laws and policies they implemented in the US has devastated entire generation of minorities and inadvertently destroyed much of the US industrial base.demoman_chaos said:
Minority communities suffer higher levels of asthma directly due to the construction of highways that add toxic particulates into the air from the thousands of vehicles that travel through their communities. In addition to the air quality issues caused by highway construction you also hem in people by limiting their ability to travel beyond the confines of their community unless they own a vehicle that is costly both in a financial and physically because having to drive from location to location leads to a more sedentary lifestyle and obesity. Federal loan policies zoned communities by race thus diverting public funds away from minority communities so minorities are hemmed in again financially from leaving their polluted communities and entering the suburbs that have the best schools so now the inequalities become generational because their children are forced to attend the worst performing schools. School busing attempted to address the disparity but led to more tensions. On top of this you have the collapse of many US industries as much of the manufacturing sector that had employed many minorities in union protected jobs were sent overseas to exploit lower wages and legal oversight.
This creates a situation that forces people into dense, polluted neighborhoods living on low wages trapped by geography and policy. It is inevitable that you will see violence and crime because you have people living in virtual jails. Get tough laws such as minimum mandatory sentencing further fracture and disproportionately impact minority communities which is why the US prison population does not reflect the actual demographics of the rest of the country.
All this has affected countless millions of minorities from generation to generation for decades and will take just as long to undue.
I suggest you read this book or an interview of the Pulitzer Prize winning author Douglas Blackmon who wrote Slavery by Another Name: The Re-enslavement of Black Americans from the Civil War to World War II. At:
http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/06/slavery-by-another-name
or watch the documentary:
http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/cripsandbloods/index.html