United Nations To Debate Ban on Killer Robots

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Owyn_Merrilin

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Robots don't rape or torture? Challenge accepted.
But seriously, the first application new communication technology is used for is porn, I have a hard time believing that robots simply cannot rape people, without a conscious decision made to preclude such an individual robot from having the capability, if not the proclivity.
I fear for the washing machines of the future, Robot chicken meets nostradamus man

Ever use a Samsung washing machine? They're disturbingly happy to do their jobs as it is, they sing and everything. For that matter, I had a chance to try out a Samsung CRT TV the other day. I wound up walking home with a Sony model, but much like my washing machine, the Samsung TV sang to me when I turned it on and off. It's like Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, but with slavery.
 

Redlin5_v1legacy

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What is there to debate? Let's just not go there. At all. Ever.

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[sub][sub][sub]Childhood fears of robots still half haunting me...[/sub][/sub][/sub]
 

Xpwn3ntial

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Zachary Amaranth said:
Ditto. My army is already in mass production.

Now, they shall SUFFER! SUFFER!

...I mean...
They shall KNEEL! KNEEL BEFORE PWN!

Still working on getting my own evil catchphrase.
 

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I'm gonna address the article author and readers separately in this post.

To the readers:
As a student of AI and a frequent receiver of jokes akin to "Here goes the future developer of Skynet" allow me to say to all those worrying/cracking jokes about robot uprising...

You have no idea how far away we are from coming up with anything remotely close to developing an artificial agent[footnote]Agent, as defined in robotics, is anything that's capable of observation and manipulation of its surrounding environment, no matter how limited. Under this definition, anything ranging from a living beings ranging from humans down to most single cell life forms, or various electronic/virtual devices like a robot, video game npc or even a self adjusting furnace, with a built in thermometer is considered an agent.[/footnote], capable of self aware thoughts. Like, you wouldn't believe how far away we are.

Currently, all forms of AI are nothing more then sophisticated search algorithms designed to solve specific tasks, based on given input. Sometimes, the resulting agent can display lifelike qualities but in those cases they're just that... lifelike. No independent thought process took place during that event. It's all purely based on how well the designer implemented its capabilities at finding the optimum solution, as defined by the designer.

This is not me trying to claim that artificial life can never exist, nor that we should never wonder about the philosophical implications of having to deal with our own homebrewed version of the Geth, but with our current understanding on how a real brain makes independent decisions, compared with our current methods of implementing artificial "intelligence", right now there's 0% chances about us having to deal with such worries in the foreseeable future.

In reality, the biggest crime here is the fact that the term "Artificial Intelligence" is used for this, since we really have no idea how normal intelligence works, let alone how to make an artificial version of it. Really, the best way to calm humanity's fear of robotics, would be a mandatory introduction course in AI development. I can think of no better way to make people stop with this fear mongering and go "...oh... Is that it?"

Now, a little bit of note to the author:
Look, I understand that when it comes to writing articles like these, it's important to catch the attention of readers, but these constant allusions on how screwed we are, along with these multiple tie ins to robot apocalypse movies is a bit much.

I also wish to argue with your decision to tie this with Asimov's laws. The laws work fine (to a point; even Asimov himself didn't shy away from writing stories demonstrating scenarios where the laws would come into conflicts) in a science fiction environment but are next to useless and impossible to implement into modern day robotics.

The purpose of this assembly is to define accountability to human rights violations, when it comes to designing autonomous weapons platforms. If you design a robot that's meant to shoot enemy combatants and it drives into the nearest village and massacres all of its inhabitants, you can't just shrug shoulders and claim faulty programing. For as long as you can't guaranty that your agents are incapable of committing human rights violations, it is the wishes of the Human Rights Council that no LARs are created.

On a final note to everyone, I say that you all should stop worrying so senselessly about your living room door being kicked down by an angry killbot since it obviously distracts you from the real danger of robotics.

Mainly sex robots.​
 

INeedAName

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Best start writing the Orange Catholic Bible...

"Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a man's mind."
 

FalloutJack

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The Robopocalypse won't happen because all of our software is buggy. The Termies will blue screen long before they can obliterate humanity.
 

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All I have to say on the issue is this...

Screw autonomous robots, make 'em big as hell and give me my goddamn Gundam Fight.

 

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Why not just have killer robots fight other killer robots? No actual death, awesome robo combat, and a whole new sport we can bet on.
They already tried that in the UK. Robot wars was a popular series going strong until a producer decided that they did not like the show and forced it to fail by moving it to a horrible timeslot
Well yeeeeeeah, but robot wars wan't exactly Terminator versus Robocop. They had giant cheese slice versus spiky-frisbee-tron.
 

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BrotherRool said:
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If robots ever achieve sentience, will they really care about bans? We're already moving towards robot surgeons and with everything moving towards wireless, it won't be that much of a stretch for robots to share knowlegde. Que a butlerbot carving up more than a turkey.
I think they're less worried about a robot uprising and more worried about a combat drone blowing up a village or the issues of responsibility that autonomous killing machines raise. If a drone takes out civilians because of a programming wonk, whose fault is it?
Lets be honest here. There has yet to be someone in the US to take responsibility for any of the killing they do and there is no way that the UN can stop the US from using the drones. All this can do is stop smaller countries from every getting close to the US. The US doesn't care about the UN or about the Geneva convention while they do force those "rules" on small countries.
 

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"Decisions over life and death in armed conflict may require compassion and intuition. Humans - while they are fallible - at least might possess these qualities, whereas robots definitely do not."

 

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There's just one problem with this: The UN is a joke. For decades, plenty of its member nations have continued to commit human rights violations in spite of UN policies. So no matter what they decide, everyone who can is still going to make killer robots.
 

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Why?
I mean for most part anything human does, machine can do faster and more efficiently
So instead of sending squad of soldiers to take out enemy (and do any random amount of collateral damage in process, while risking with their lives), we can send a group of LARs and at most they will make a few new holes in the walls
Of course programming is the issue here
Because glitches may result in unnecessary deaths
 

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BiH-Kira said:
Lets be honest here. There has yet to be someone in the US to take responsibility for any of the killing they do and there is no way that the UN can stop the US from using the drones. All this can do is stop smaller countries from every getting close to the US. The US doesn't care about the UN or about the Geneva convention while they do force those "rules" on small countries.
I believe the US are considering stepping away from the idea (particularly the autonomous part) at the moment, so there's a chance that the US might be a well behaved country and obey a treaty on it
 

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MrGalactus said:
Why not just have killer robots fight other killer robots? No actual death, awesome robo combat, and a whole new sport we can bet on.
Until the robots realise that we've set them against each other, and then they double team us all.
 

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MrGalactus said:
Why not just have killer robots fight other killer robots? No actual death, awesome robo combat, and a whole new sport we can bet on.
Why not? Then all international disputes could be solved with a game of Rock-em Sock-em Robots.
 

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The concept of unmanned autonomous killing machines in the service of a national fighting force is as fantastic as it is terrible. The potential for good and bad are astronomical. 'Banning' such weapons systems will prove both futile and immoral. Conscription is immoral. Murder is immoral. I can not stop killing my fellow beings... however, I can stop conscription, I can stop utilizing my fellow beings as direct killing tools or throw away assets. This has the 'potential' to be valuable, particularly to a nation like the US or more over Canada and other large territory low population nations. A third world state would be terribly hindered by the adoption of robotic killing machines, the industry to produce them would likely either be as autonomous as the machines or off shore of them - nobody's handing over air craft contracts to (insert banana republic here) because it's got a cheap labor pool after all. You'd also loose all you're combat infantry/fighter pilots and naval crews. A country must be very careful in demobilizing forces both in fear of internal economic turmoil due to new unemployment rates and a glut in the local economy as well a due to having such a huge amount of people with combat training becoming unemployed. For a third world nation, even possibly a second world nation, such technology doesn't make sense yet. But for first world nations... it has serious merits that warrant greater discussion then the UN is willing to have publicly - more over then it's membership is willing to have publicly. I sincerely hope they reconsider tabling this bill at this time.
 

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Probably for the best right now.

I'm not imagining some sort of Terminator style uprising, but some badly programmed piece of crap accidentally killing someone by mistake like the ED-209 or something

 

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BrotherRool said:
BiH-Kira said:
Lets be honest here. There has yet to be someone in the US to take responsibility for any of the killing they do and there is no way that the UN can stop the US from using the drones. All this can do is stop smaller countries from every getting close to the US. The US doesn't care about the UN or about the Geneva convention while they do force those "rules" on small countries.
I believe the US are considering stepping away from the idea (particularly the autonomous part) at the moment, so there's a chance that the US might be a well behaved country and obey a treaty on it
The Atomics Avenger seems to indicate otherwise, from what I've read the US plans to have combat UAV's in squadron sizes to fight along side their human flown counterparts.
Some info on the Avenger:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Atomics_Avenger

Robotic fighters are already on the front lines, in the air, on the ground and at sea. The UN ban means nothing when their too late and no-one will listen to them. Especially since their silly bans, a robot doesn't kill out of hate or discrimination, it follows the rules with no emotions to interfere.