Universal Porn Filter Coming to the U.K.

[Brainpaint]

Wait a sec...

I just realised that this is the UK and we broadcast "Embarrassing Bodies Live" before watershed. All folks gotta do is tune in and they'll see random strangers posting their webcam feeds of minor STDs or skin irritations you can barely see because the pictures are so grainy and most of them will go up on screen.

And Cameron thinks tackling the internet porn industry (worth over a billion pounds in tax revenue per year even with current restrictions) is going to stop kids from talking about "Vajazzling" and primary school-aged girls wanting careers as glamour models in the future?

Serious waste of money better spent getting rid of the legal slavery known as Workfare!

 

[Sprinal]

I remember seeing my first porn mag at the age of 7.

Reminds me a bit of the Story my mum would tell me.

Apparently at one point se was traveling on buisness and took me with her (as I was a todler) and I turned on the TV in the hotel. Apparently it went to a pornographic film...

Anyway I was apparently telling my mother what was happening whilst she was in the other room... Asking her if we should pay to watch the full film....


I don't remember this but I can't see something like that being made up.

Point is there is nothing wrong with me and I would have been what? 2-3


Adult things damage children... Yeah I call bullshit.

 

[-Dragmire-]

You all stupid? Its not blocked. It blocks rape or child porn. Why do people claim it blocks everything? I hate the condems but this is a good thing. End of the day, if you are a normal porn loving guy, you have nothing to fear.....only if it involves kids or its rape porn. In that case, your not normal and should be beating in prison.

You didn't read it, did you?

The law would immediately ban possession of rape pornography full stop, as well as bringing in new measures to detect and block child pornography. However, it would also automatically block all porn sites to everyone in the UK unless they specifically ask their ISP remove the block,

You didnt read my comment did you. I said it blocks rape porn. Why would anyone want to see rape porn? If you do, i hope some female person in your life is raped so you know its not something for entertainment. Now blocking child porn im all for.

WTF dude!? He has an opinion that you find abhorrent so you're wishing violence on his loved ones to teach him a lesson!? What the hell is wrong with you?

If you truly find the idea of rape as bad as I think you do, you shouldn't be wishing that on anyone.

Voorhees is the type that thinks whatever he doesn't like should automatically be banned, or at least that's what I've gathered from all his comments which show a total lack of empathy towards other people while still keeping a "holier-than-thou-art" attitude. I just think he'd have massive troubles walking outside, because he'd want people to die or their family to be raped because they chose the McChicken over a McDouble.

I can see what you mean. I kind of regretted posting that as I may have stepped into an argument with no value, even to outside people who can make informed decisions based on the opposing opinions. An argument with no value to anyone is usually something I try to avoid. I was just kind of irked by his lack of empathy on the subject.

Live and learn I guess...

 

[1337mokro]

The effect on the innocence of children? Child porn is already blocked. I also highly doubt what a child needs is more sexual repression than is already present in the world.

We have had pious paranoid purity shoved on us for far too long now. I think it's time that we realize that a child's head will not explode if you tell it where babies come from before the age of 25.

 

[Baresark]

Meh. People are getting a bit riled up over this. All they are really saying is the default position will change from completely open to blocking pornographic content. Unless people are afraid to just allow it to be unblocked, it doesn't hurt anyone. The concept is called a "nudge". This means the default state is censoring pornographic material rather than the reverse. The default state has quite a large impact on decision making. For instance, in the US the default position on a driver's license is that of not being an organ donor. So consequently, the percentage of people who are organ donors are really small. In places where the default position is being an organ donor, the percentage of people who are organ donors is really high. It doesn't make anyone do anything and people are free to participate in this block or to not participate. If they were saying no one can look at it ever, then people should show up at their local parliament representatives house with torches and pitch forks. But that is clearly not the case. I don't ever look at porn on internet, but I would choose for it to not be blocked just because you can't possibly trust an automated filter to not block things that are not actually porn.

 

[Dangit2019]

Meh. People are getting a bit riled up over this. All they are really saying is the default position will change from completely open to blocking pornographic content. Unless people are afraid to just allow it to be unblocked, it doesn't hurt anyone. The concept is called a "nudge". This means the default state is censoring pornographic material rather than the reverse. The default state has quite a large impact on decision making. For instance, in the US the default position on a driver's license is that of not being an organ donor. So consequently, the percentage of people who are organ donors are really small. In places where the default position is being an organ donor, the percentage of people who are organ donors is really high. It doesn't make anyone do anything and people are free to participate in this block or to not participate. If they were saying no one can look at it ever, then people should show up at their local parliament representatives house with torches and pitch forks. But that is clearly not the case. I don't ever look at porn on internet, but I would choose for it to not be blocked just because you can't possibly trust an automated filter to not block things that are not actually porn.

The question is why must the default position be the one blocking pornography? It's not like this is something that'll happen at the innocent flip of a switch, millions of government dollars are going to be thrown at this.

Why not instead have the default position be unblocked with the option of parents blocking it as a government convenience? That would be wasteful, but it would at least make sense. What good reason does the government have for automatically blocking porn?

 

[Baresark]

Meh. People are getting a bit riled up over this. All they are really saying is the default position will change from completely open to blocking pornographic content. Unless people are afraid to just allow it to be unblocked, it doesn't hurt anyone. The concept is called a "nudge". This means the default state is censoring pornographic material rather than the reverse. The default state has quite a large impact on decision making. For instance, in the US the default position on a driver's license is that of not being an organ donor. So consequently, the percentage of people who are organ donors are really small. In places where the default position is being an organ donor, the percentage of people who are organ donors is really high. It doesn't make anyone do anything and people are free to participate in this block or to not participate. If they were saying no one can look at it ever, then people should show up at their local parliament representatives house with torches and pitch forks. But that is clearly not the case. I don't ever look at porn on internet, but I would choose for it to not be blocked just because you can't possibly trust an automated filter to not block things that are not actually porn.

The question is why must the default position be the one blocking pornography? It's not like this is something that'll happen at the innocent flip of a switch, millions of government dollars are going to be thrown at this.

Why not instead have the default position be unblocked with the option of parents blocking it as a government convenience? That would be wasteful, but it would at least make sense. What good reason does the government have for automatically blocking porn?

First: I don't disagree with you. The default position should always be open, in my opinion.

Second: All governments are wasteful. The representatives do not always represent the position of their constituents, contrary to popular belief. This is because people have the role, not robots. They are throwing money at this because the people involved are largely inept and do not understand their purpose. They seek out positions to fulfill their own wishes, not the wishes of people who elect them. This is just the logical extension of the aforementioned point. They don't like it, so they will use money that is not their to try and stamp it out.

Third: The government doesn't have any reason at all, only the individuals responsible have reasons. Obviously reasons founded in ignorance and stupidity, reasons founded in their own ability to cope with the existence of these things.

Ultimately though, provided they are not attempting to eliminate it, just changing the default position is not a bad thing. The decision still falls to individuals.

 

[klaynexas3]

You all stupid? Its not blocked. It blocks rape or child porn. Why do people claim it blocks everything? I hate the condems but this is a good thing. End of the day, if you are a normal porn loving guy, you have nothing to fear.....only if it involves kids or its rape porn. In that case, your not normal and should be beating in prison.

You didn't read it, did you?

The law would immediately ban possession of rape pornography full stop, as well as bringing in new measures to detect and block child pornography. However, it would also automatically block all porn sites to everyone in the UK unless they specifically ask their ISP remove the block,

You didnt read my comment did you. I said it blocks rape porn. Why would anyone want to see rape porn? If you do, i hope some female person in your life is raped so you know its not something for entertainment. Now blocking child porn im all for.

WTF dude!? He has an opinion that you find abhorrent so you're wishing violence on his loved ones to teach him a lesson!? What the hell is wrong with you?

If you truly find the idea of rape as bad as I think you do, you shouldn't be wishing that on anyone.

Voorhees is the type that thinks whatever he doesn't like should automatically be banned, or at least that's what I've gathered from all his comments which show a total lack of empathy towards other people while still keeping a "holier-than-thou-art" attitude. I just think he'd have massive troubles walking outside, because he'd want people to die or their family to be raped because they chose the McChicken over a McDouble.

I can see what you mean. I kind of regretted posting that as I may have stepped into an argument with no value, even to outside people who can make informed decisions based on the opposing opinions. An argument with no value to anyone is usually something I try to avoid. I was just kind of irked by his lack of empathy on the subject.

Live and learn I guess...

I struggle with it myself, so I know how you feel, but my main guess is he won't reply to yours at this point because I think he either lost interest or got sick of his inbox piling up. And if he does reply, chances are it will be something about how apathetic he is towards the subject and how because he's apathetic toward it it automatically is a bad thing and he can strawman the hell out of it because he is Voorhees. I've seen trolls on memebase, nay, 4chan, with better arguments than Voorhees apathetic and also somehow antagonistic responses.

 

[Amir Kondori]

So terrible. Also, what do they classify as "rape porn"? Videos of people being raped or videos of people pretending to be raped?
I am glad we have much more robust free speech protection here in the US.

 

[Da Orky Man]

You all stupid? Its not blocked. It blocks rape or child porn. Why do people claim it blocks everything? I hate the condems but this is a good thing. End of the day, if you are a normal porn loving guy, you have nothing to fear.....only if it involves kids or its rape porn. In that case, your not normal and should be beating in prison.

You didn't read it, did you?

The law would immediately ban possession of rape pornography full stop, as well as bringing in new measures to detect and block child pornography. However, it would also automatically block all porn sites to everyone in the UK unless they specifically ask their ISP remove the block,

You didnt read my comment did you. I said it blocks rape porn. Why would anyone want to see rape porn? If you do, i hope some female person in your life is raped so you know its not something for entertainment. Now blocking child porn im all for.

You are still missing the point, even with half the forum arguing with you. Its more about censorship and exactly what material is construed as vulgar/extreme.

Also, are you actually wishing someone to be raped now? Strictly speaking, that's worse than rape-porn possession. Someone watching such material may be burdened with a near-illegal fetish, but you actively wish it upon someone due to an internet arguments.

Dude, relax a bit.

 

[Brainpaint]

So terrible. Also, what do they classify as "rape porn"? Videos of people being raped or videos of people pretending to be raped?
I am glad we have much more robust free speech protection here in the US.

[/sarchasm]

I didn't encounter full on porn until I was browsing the internet when I was 11 and a popup appeared with a woman jerking a bunch of guys off with some of the image obcured by yellow stars. Apparently some of my sister's friends (then aged 8/9) had shown her a few sites and my dad had to struggle hard to get rid of the viruses they'd downloaded to the home PC. Not that it deterred them from doing it again, mind and I still didn't learn what the actual word "porn" meant until I was much older.

My dad was pretty lax on internet safety around us. He just told us to be careful about what we downloaded (because of viruses) and if we saw anything we didn't understand we'd ask him about it.

This is the same guy that said "Have you heard about hentai? It's porn, but it's more artistic." a few years ago.

 

[Amir Kondori]

Subjective doesnt matter. That statue wasn't built cos the artist liked cock. Porn is made for the sake of porn. Big difference. I agree though, this is about deleting illegal porn, rape and child porn. An i think a few people being pissed is fine if that crap is blocked. Also stopping underage kids looking up that crap. Would you want your 12 year old watching porn? An thats the problem also. You can see anything online. The internet has grown faster than the security behind. If your an adult, nothing is stopping you watching porn online....you may have to pay for it....but nothing is stopping you.

Not all things with nudity is porn, though, as you know. Suicide Girls? Classic paintings and statues? Nudity in comic books? I can easily see these as being classed as porn.

You have to opt out of this porn censorship, though; a thing plenty of people with families will not do. Wouldn't an opt in option be better? Except that already exists, in the form of software and parental control. This is censorship-lite. !It's censored but not quite. We're just testing everything for when we do ban everything."

So blocking child porn and rape porn is now compared to the Suicide Girls and classic Statues. HUGE DIFFERENCE PEOPLE. People can get horny about anything, a statue, a movie, a picture or even a plate of food (weird people out there.) Just that porn is made to be porn. Its people paid for fucking to sell a movie of people fucking. Im not against porn at all.....sorry if thats what you think. Though i am against 12 yr olds looking up "arse fucking" online and watching things that will corrupt them. Can we atleast agree with that? Most we need is a solution where adults can watch what they want and kids are blocked from porn online. An every freak is banned from watching child/rape porn online. Censorship is fine, but censor kids, not adults.

You do know this is not just blocking child porn and "rape pron" (whatever that is), right? This is blocking ALL porn sans an opt-in.

 

[Clive Howlitzer]

I am glad the government is taking control of deciding what I can and can't look at. I am clearly too sensitive an individual to be exposed to such things. I am also too indecisive and spineless to make any decisions on my own. Thank you oh great government for taking control away from your population! Force your idea of morality on me! Please!

 

[Norithics]

I am glad the government is taking control of deciding what I can and can't look at. I am clearly too sensitive an individual to be exposed to such things. I am also too indecisive and spineless to make any decisions on my own. Thank you oh great government for taking control away from your population! Force your idea of morality on me! Please!

Oh, but haven't you heard? There's the option to turn it back on at the low, low price of the most awkward phone conversation of your adult life. "Hello? Why yes good sir, I'd like for you to open the floodgates on my smut machine! It appears the infernal device has become unfixed and my limitless supply of butts has dried up completely! As a chronic wrist-injured reprobate, I'll be needing you to unleash that beast for me again, posthaste! Jolly good. Oh jeeves, fetch the splash tarps, will you??"

 

[Brainpaint]

It's already crazy enough that the definition of "child porn" in the UK has changed in the last few years to drawings of characters over the age of consent (seriously, look it up. You can't even draw a 16 or 17 year old walking in on their parents or their peers screwing in the same panel despite it happening in movies and on TV with no problems. Freaking LINES!) before all this madness.

It's mental that I'm posting so much on this thread when I don't even LIKE porn.
But where do you draw the line on what it is and isn't? Art can be pornographic. Does that make that art porn? According to some people I've talked to, porn can be artistic, too! Is that porn art, then?

Too many blurred lines and weird cultural exceptions for it to make sense.

 

[Strazdas]

Convservatives blabla small government

Conservatives from the dawn of time was about having totalitarian control by the government. whats up with these silly comments? are peopel that politically illiterate?

PORNOGRAPHY IS RUINING OUR CHILDREN!!

That's actually true. Porn addiction is a real thing. And every study about porn users so far had revealed that it can be quite damaging. I will refer you to this set of videos titled "Your brain on porn". It's very interesting and educational. And it will change your perspective on porn.

Even though I don't like censorship, this isn't actually a bad thing.

European Health Board during their report on teenage health have concluded that a healthy person should masturbate once a day to keep theri bodys reporductive organs healthy and working as intended. This was mainly aimed at teenagers, however it applies to all ages (obviuosly not to children as they arent sexually mature).
I havent saved the link as back then i didnt find this to be such revolutionary message so sorry no source link.
ALso i havent watched the videos as im at work but from what i skimmed though they seem to argue that watching porn somehow makes you unable to masturbate to "magazines". well duh, most porn mangaiznes show truly awful looking people to begin with, not to mention the strnage fetish with stockings and skirts people have (seriusoly, skirts are not sexy, stop it). I have however no problem fappnig to either porn, my imagination, pictures in a magazine or whatever. but of course i wont be fapping to ugly people. of couse before internet when people didnt knew better, those were as best as you get, now you realize there are better people.
then again my opnion may be a bit sideways since i think half the people i meet on the street are sexier than majority of "hot chick naked" porn videos.

Oh, please! Stop scaremongering, people. This law has already existed for television since .... the invention of television, without any dreadful consequences for liberty. They're not coming for your guns. You can still have your wanks once you've opted in to it again. People with kids appreciate this, although they shouldn't rely on it.

Yes, they have existed for television. Internet was the last bastion where your access were free to things you wanted and not just "Things we want you to watch". however recent "safe internet" and other idiotic movements finally resulting in this have taken that way from us. now we cone again have no outlet where we can stop being afraid of being censored because we didn't like the popular opinion.
people with kids should be outraged. their kids are used as an excuse for internet control. besides, people with kids should already know what their kids are watching. if they are bad parents maybe they shouldn't have been having kids to begin with. would help with world population too.

 

[The Wykydtron]

Isn't Cameron the guy who's butchering the UK's health system (NHS, I believe it's called) and who is also cutting funding for schools?

How the hell can he possibly say he's protecting the children with a straight face?

Also, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about these things. Probably am. Get most of my info from UK friends who complain about it, so yeah.

Oh don't worry, people in the UK LOVE bitching about everything and anything. It's pretty much a national pastime after Football and ripping the piss out of your mates.

Not that they're wrong on this of course. Good old Dave with his shitty policies...

Hold on, let me dig up my other post on this one, I rather liked it

If SOPA didn't go through in the US yet if Dave takes our fucking porn away successfully i'm going to be so pissed.

You don't touch the PORN Dave! The line has been crossed! It's all very well going "lol families lol" what about all the single men (and women if you're into that, I don't discriminate) who will probably go a little bit loopy over it? AKA me. T_T

Fuck it, corroding childhood? Somebody link him to 4Chan. Somebody. I'll show you corroding childhood...

Quick question: Would hentai count? Because that would be a good backup plan... Though like 99% of hentai is hilarious tentacle shenanigans. I guess Dave wouldn't think to go looking though. That's the thing with The Internet, it's fucking HUGE.

It's obviously not going to do anything. Where would you even start? Not mention there are going to be several ways to bypass any filters if you're really desperate.

Dave, just stick to (failing at) running the country ok? Leave our porn out of it and maybe every single man in the UK won't vote your arse out of office ASAP. Do something constructive mmmk hun?

Though that would be the most awkward proper protest ever... Imagine signs with "give us our porn" written on it around Downing Street. Fucking hilarious.

 

[EeveeElectro]

Just a thought, they better ban page three models and porn magazines too then if we're going this far.
Child could easily find dad's stash and what's stopping a kid thinking "Page three? So... women need to have their boobies out for us to like them?" or something.