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Bioshock fucking sucks.

First, the combat sucks. It's the same guns that appear in every shooter ever made: pistol, shotgun, grenade/rocket launcher, machine gun, melee weapon. And it never gives you enough ammo for any of them.

"But that's the point! It's supposed to create tension!"

Yea, but it ends up just creating frustration. Limiting your resources in order to create tension has been done and done well, for instance, by games like Marathon, FTL, Zelda II, and Dark Souls. But the problem is that when you die in Bioshock it doesn't return you to a checkpoint, it warps you to one of those Vita-Chambers, and you don't get any ammo back. More irritatingly, they also charge you a fee, so not only do you not get your ammo back but you don't have any money to buy more ammo. And more irritatingly still, it respawns the enemies that you used up your ammo failing to kill in the first place, so you're even more stuck. So you've used up your ammo, your first aid kits, the enemies are back, and you have no money to replace all your resources.

Though, maybe that's the point. Bioshock is supposed to be based, loosely, on themes related to libertarian extremism. If we leave everything to market forces with no regulation or social safety net, then one mistake has you in poverty with no ability to get back up. The game's mechanics tell you that you should pull yourself back up by your bootstraps, and teases you with the fact that you can't and that getting unstuck will be more about luck than anything else, a fitting metaphor for criticisms of Laissez-Faire economics.

Or maybe it's lazily designed. I'm more inclined to believe this, because...

It's disorienting, in a way that suggests that no one bothered to test it. First, there's the point of your character being like 3 feet tall, which really throws me off. Literally 5 minutes of play testing would have revealed this problem. But it's not just that. The areas are too easy to get lost in, and opening the map isn't seamless. The dark environment made things even more difficult, failing to create any atmosphere or tension and instead succeeding only in obscuring any navigational landmarks you could use. Again, other games have done this well. I return to the example of Marathon, which had an active map that you could still move while looking at. Metroid Prime frequently had dark areas and these were made to work superbly with the gameplay mechanics (where the dark was in many cases an obstacle that you had to find the X-ray and thermal visors to see through). But while Metroid Prime and Bioshock were similar in their approaches to how they carried you through a semi-open world by directing you towards objectives, Metroid Prime made very sure not to waste any space, there was never the problem of not being able to figure out which way to go to get somewhere. It also gave you an active mini-map.

Dark Souls didn't have much in the way of navigation tools either, but it really made you feel like you were exploring. Dead Space has a dark, oppressive, and sometimes disorienting atmosphere, but it's in a way that adds to the horror. In all 4 cases, Marathon, Dead Space, Dark Souls, and Metroid Prime, I never spent too much time being lost, however in Bioshock I spent way too much time just trying to figure out how to get anywhere.

And despite royally sucking, because it was a big-budget shooter released at a time when big-budget shooters were the next big thing, everyone lined up to worship it, causing there to be 2 sequels, the first of which didn't even need to exist at all and the second of which, which in my opinion was much better for streamlining the experience, didn't need to be called Bioshock.

Okay, that was a good rant.
 

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Reasonable Atheist said:
Dr. Crawver said:
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The 911 attacks were justified. Being totally complacent in what your country is doing des not make you innocent.

"They hate freedom" is the stupidest utterance i have ever heard.

Everyone knows a cornered woumded animal is the most dangerous.
Justified I'd disagree with. No act like that by any group or nation can be justified with any merit.

Understandable however, you'd have me on that. I understand why they did it, I may well have even cheered if I was in their countrymen's shoes (though I'd hope not), but justified is a little too far.
So, extreme violence is never acceptable behavior? Even lashing out at an overwhelmingly powerful enemy?

for example, tearing your rapist's throat out with your teeth.
Lashing out at civilians? Yes, always unjustifiable in my opinion. If they just did the attacks on the pentagon (I.E. people who presumably are related to all the woes in the middle east caused by america), then while I'd still not like the attacks at all, it is justifiable in some form. Hitting a place filled with nothing but civilians who are entirely innocent of it all is never right.
Ahem oops i had something in my throat. It tasted like disgusting hypocrisy.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/nov/24/-sp-us-drone-strikes-killhttp://cursor.org/stories/casualty_count.htm
(I specifically like the carpet bombing of villages)

http://cursor.org/stories/casualty_count.htm

I do not think it is nessisary for me to link something about japan.
No hypocrisy here, as I hate the use of drones. I'm fully against that too and think signature strikes are a vile and disgusting practice. Not to mention I'm also English and (I believe) we aren't in the business of using drones like that to begin with.

But yeah, I didn't make any comment on the US's atrocities, but simply because I didn't doesn't mean I agree with them, so yeah, thanks for assuming that I guess?
 

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executed instantly without a trial.
Also known as murder.
Yup. I approve the murder of some people. Pretty unpopular, don't you think?.
Of course, though approving some murders while condemning others is ridiculous. Either it's never okay or it's okay all the time. You can't cherry-pick.
Murder itself is just killing we 'cherry picked' as wrong.

Such absolutism makes no sense. It ignores the reason why he would declare some murder wrong and not other instances. It's as absurd as condemning self-defense by saying either no violence or all violence must be okay
 

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I really hope this is a troll and not a real person, because if it's really a person's thoughts then this person is a cynical asshole who lives in a fantasy version of the world.
Not a troll. Nice to meet you too.

What the hell is a fundamentalist atheist? Do you mean anti-theist's?
Pretty much, yeah.

Not all atheist's are anti-theist's.
No, they most certainly aren't. Never claimed otherwise.

More over, how are they a bigger problem than ANY religious fundamentalist group. These are the people who blow themselves up in crowded centers and snipe abortion doctors. The most annoying thing a "fundamentalist atheist" might do is flame you on youtube or twitter.
Or kill a few million people, firebomb churches and mosques, and slaughter priests, nuns, and lay believers in the name of atheistic-ideological purity. It happened in the USSR, it happened in Germany, it happened in China, it happened in Cambodia. The quantity of people dead from regimes like those - ones that mandated state atheism or had virulently anti-religious leaders - are, in terms of pure number, much higher than from any religious conflict. Saying that anti-religion is harmless strikes me as disingenuous.

Atheists only represent between 5 to 7 percent of the whole population. How can they be more of a problem then a group that represents billions?
The religious extremists you refer to number in only the thousands, out of those billions. Minority groups can nevertheless have disproportionate effects. Like, for example, brutal anti-religious dictators like Stalin, Mao, and Hitler.

Whether or not we're smarter I'll agree is debatable, but morally we are vastly superior to those even a few generations ago. Who can possibly argue that the near global ending of slavery does not mark a moral good of the current age. Virtually every large civilization practiced slavery. This was common for thousands of years, and now it's an increasing rarity. It's openly illegal in all first world societies. This say's alot about the morality of today that is head and shoulders above those times. The increasing equality of the sexes and equality among ethnicity is also both relatively new and a moral step forward.
You raise a good point: indeed, many abhorrent things have been rightfully banned in our modern society. But there is a difference between something being regarded legally and being altered morally. We can talk about how de jure slavery has been eradicated from the world, but has slavery gone away? No, it hasn't, if the frankly huge numbers of trafficked people and de facto unpaid workers there are in world. Furthermore, have we reduced any of the actual causes of slavery that exist within people? Meaning, are we any less greedy, selfish, bloodthirsty, or willing to deny the humanity of others for the sake of profit than we were ten years ago, or ten thousand years ago? No, no we are not.

We might have more material comforts and know more trivial facts than our ancestors did, but we're still the same people. Same people, fighting the same wars, abusing the same others, making the same mistakes, and all for the same reasons. Times change, people don't, not for better or for worse.

Moral relativism is a descriptive idea with numerous possible meanings to different kinds of people. What are talking about with it being a plague exactly?
Moral relativism as in "rejection of any and all objective moral principles." I think that it is abhorrent because it erodes at our willingness to believe in and act to defend important sensibilities. You mentioned slavery, sexism, and racism as things you held to be morally wrong, or at the very least were things that deserved to be destroyed. I agree, but a stance of moral relativism would require one to hold such concepts as not "wrong" in any universal way, but merely "disliked" by different people and "approved of" by others. There is no right or wrong, just preference and opinion, and widespread belief in that saps people of their will to stand up for what is good. It is the kind of attitude that justifies horrid behaviors by saying that there is nothing inherently wrong with things like hatred or genocide - there are simply results, and different methods of achieving those results. It is a poisonous, nihilistic view that many people claim to have but few grasp the actual implications of. Morally indefensible and logically inconsistent.

I don't know anybody who thinks that animal lives outweigh human ones. And my mother is a card carrying member of PETA. Again, I'm not sure where you get this from, but my first instinct says Fox News.
I don't watch Fox News. And I have met people that believe that animal life is either equivalent or superior to that of human beings. It ties in with that unpleasant phenomenon of people claiming they would rather save their drowning dog than a drowning stranger. You would find few people to actively campaign for that point of view, but a surprising number would save the dog.

"Mankinds destiny is to rule this planet" Don' we already?
It would certainly seem so.

I know the ignorant desert god you probably worship promised you dominion over the world, but that's not the real world...All this talk of destiny does is make me think that I'm glad that people like you are vastly becoming irrelevant to regular society
I understand that we disagree, but there's really no need to be rude.

As people simply choose to live good lives and strive to look out for each other, the idea of a "grand destiny" fades into obscurity.
You speak as though a desire to lead a good life and a dedication to care for others are mutually exclusive to the concept of destiny. On the contrary, I find that one usually leads to the other.

Nothing in our human experience supports this idea and nothing about it is either moral or right.
The "human experience" refers, I'm assuming, to the collective beliefs of people and the circumstances they commonly experience in their lives. Considering that many of the actual humans living those lives believe in destiny in some form, I would certainly say it has support there.

If what you meant was more along the lines of "it cannot be proven through physical means that people have a destiny," then you are certainly right. It cannot be proven in any laboratory that mankind is already destined to rule the Earth and expand out into the universe, but I could easily argue by looking at history and human nature that it is nevertheless bound to happen. The history of the human race is one of constantly pursuing new lands and new experiences, with unceasing expansion into every corner of the planet, dominating every other form of life. Mankind is like a vapor: we naturally fill whatever container we are placed in, and with the recent jumps forward in technology we have been able to achieve that on a much larger scale. Look up in space, and what you see is a great emptiness. The second that man landed on the moon, the boundaries of our world expanded outward from Earth and into that void, and like Earth it is only natural that we expand outward into it without end.

I kind of agree with this, except the part where it's inevitable. It's not.
Allow me to clarify: what I meant was less "it is a 100% guarantee that it will happen" and more "if humanity is to survive in the long-term, then this must inevitably happen." Seeing that this is an "unpopular opinions" thread, I hope you'll forgive for stating that belief in what was likely to be the most controversial way. I apologize for the misunderstanding.

I don't want to hear about "reason" from someone who thinks they have a great "destiny" ahead of them. I also don't want to hear about it from a person who thinks some angry bloggers are the equivalent to murderers and racist demagogues.
I don't believe I ever claimed that bloggers and murderers were moral equals. If I gave off that impression, then it was not my intent.

Sexual liberation is another good. I know that your angry, jealous desert god thinks sex is icky and that women are icky too...
I get the impression from your references to gods that there is an underlying hostility towards more than just my own person in this debate. I'm not certain what "desert god" you think I believe in, but I can assure you that I believe neither of those things are "icky." Neither do any of the major Abrahamic religions, if that's what you're referring to.

...but when we repress our sexual natures is when we see true depravity arise. One of the reasons America is still so messed up about sex is because we were basically founded by puritans who had a whole host of sexual dysfunctions.
You are mistaking "self-control" with "repression." Having a genuine, mature handle on one's base urges is not denying that they exist, but acknowledging them and then moving past them, because they are simply unimportant and, for the most part, a distraction. The kind of sexual liberation we see today, however, doesn't do that: it proclaims and glorifies irrational pursuit of pleasure, and wallows in those misguided feelings, refusing to turn its attention to things of actual importance or recognize the potential harm it might cause.

Being obsessively fixated on sex is not a sign of maturity - precisely the opposite. A genuine, mature relationship between people is based on their partners mind and personality, not their body or how they look, but that is all that sexuality is bound to. Caring so much about sex causes people to lose sight of the actual qualities of the people they interact with, instead seeing them as mere bodies which they can extract some salacious pleasure from. It turns people into objects, which is first step towards any evil. Give me a society that cares about modesty and maturity, promoting real care and love, over some "enlightened" Las Vegas hole any day.

Again, someone who believes in destiny shouldn't be telling us what qualifies as science.
I never claimed destiny was a science. Psychological therapy, however, does claim to be a science, something that can be proven and demonstrated with objective, repeatable facts. If it cannot do this, it is by definition a pseudoscience. I hold that that particular field is based more on the subjective and the impossible to falsify than on evidence. Psychological therapy could call itself a faith without issue, but being a science requires physical evidence that it cannot provide.

While I can agree with the whole telling your kids their "special" thing, what's that got to do with conformity?
Being constantly told that you are "special" causes people to think of themselves as beyond reproach: that no rule or norm applies to them because they are so perfectly unique in their own extra-special way. Such an attitude causes people to act out in outrageous ways in order to prove this delusion to themselves and others. They have no regard for others, or for the common good. Thus, the conformity of the society is broken down by their childish antics, all without good reason.

The more I read this over the more I think your ideal world would likely be something straight out of Orwell.
I'm curious as to what makes you think this.

While I agree that third parties are kind of a waste of time, I don't see where you get the whole infantile thing. So these people have different ideas about government. At least they seem to give real thought to their own positions, which is more than can be said for you. There's nothing wrong with wanting to start a third party and the fact that the system is kinda rigged against them at this point doesn't mean they won't be relevant in the future.
When I look at the US political system at the moment, I see a state of extreme political polarization: both parties have been pushed to the margins by unrealistic ideologues that care more about spiting the other side than actually putting their beliefs into practice, and thus we experience deadlock and unrest due to their unwillingness to work together. What this country needs is reconciliation, moderation, and unity under the core principles that all people in our nation share - namely the idea of America itself.

What it definitely does not need are fringe lunatics breaking down that unity further by campaigning for ludicrous, populist stances that will be as disastrous in practice as they are nonsensical in principle. Having a dozen independent parties jockying for power will do nothing but divide our country further, not help bring it together, and every Ron Paul or Bernie Sanders only makes it that much harder for a broad political union to be achieved, seeing that they can only drive the misguided towards their pointless ventures.

Hence, "infantile."

This became much longer than I thought it would. Sorry to all the people scrolling past this.

Combustion Kevin said:
Cynicism and pessimism are not cleverness, however trendy that may be, and assuming the worst does not make you a realist, that is the exact definition of a pessimist.
Agreed.
 

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Honestly, 'natural' is subjective at best but I would say that 'natural' is more what as humans we should do rather than what 'morals' or 'society' tell us what we should do as they are both just subjective preferences that vary from culture.
But nature doesn't provide any real guidelines. Nature tells us to eat, fight, fuck and die in our mid-twenties. Every action that goes outside of those actions is "unnatural".


what the human body seems built for
Again, if that is any barometer humanity isn't built for societies in general. 9 to 5 jobs, living shoulder to shoulder with 100,000s of people you don't know, the usage of social media etc. You could make a pretty compelling argument that we are not built for the society we live in today but clinging to our "nature" seems... counter-intuitive.

Censorship in regards to banning violent video games is something I tend to disagree with but the intent behind the banning is perfectly 'natural'.
Again, even our "nature" is subjective. If you want to get technical, nothing in unnatural, we all subsist within nature. We just became a species which shape our environment rather than just live within it.

I mean, would you not want to protect your children if you believed the phrase 'Monkey see, monkey do'? What people believe is 'natural' is actually, in my opinion, a topic that is rarely discussed.
This is all based on the idea that "nature" is any guide. Violence is natural, impulsiveness and fear of the unknown is completely natural but at the same time its lead to our darkest hours as a species.
 

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Secondhand Revenant said:
IOwnTheSpire said:
Malpraxis said:
IOwnTheSpire said:
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executed instantly without a trial.
Also known as murder.
Yup. I approve the murder of some people. Pretty unpopular, don't you think?.
Of course, though approving some murders while condemning others is ridiculous. Either it's never okay or it's okay all the time. You can't cherry-pick.
Murder itself is just killing we 'cherry picked' as wrong.

Such absolutism makes no sense. It ignores the reason why he would declare some murder wrong and not other instances. It's as absurd as condemning self-defense by saying either no violence or all violence must be okay
Cherry-picking means making specific exceptions, and since the majority of killing tends to be murder, you've got that wrong. What I'm saying is that if you say you're against murder, you can't ever condone it; that defeats the point of saying you're against it. You could condone other forms of killing, such as during war or in self-defense, but not when it comes to illegally taking the life of another human being.
 

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DerangedHobo said:
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Honestly, 'natural' is subjective at best but I would say that 'natural' is more what as humans we should do rather than what 'morals' or 'society' tell us what we should do as they are both just subjective preferences that vary from culture.
But nature doesn't provide any real guidelines. Nature tells us to eat, fight, fuck and die in our mid-twenties. Every action that goes outside of those actions is "unnatural".
Could you please elaborate on what you mean by 'die in our mid-twenties'? This is the first time I have heard something like that as I've always had the assumption our most 'natural' goal is survival (whether it be for ourselves, a group or a legacy). That aside, eating, fighting and fucking are necessary to survive but it can also (in my eyes at least) become unnatural if not done in moderation. Fighting can be a natural act as it can be seen as an outlet for certain emotions, competition and a method of self-defense, however I would hardly call a killing spree with no purpose aside from 'shits and giggles' to be natural. You say that 'every action that goes outside of those actions is "unnatural"', but that should not be seen as the case if you see expressing emotions or try to contribute to society with a method which you feel may benefit society as a whole. I guess I should amend my previous statement by saying I see a 'natural' act is more something that serves a purpose to an individual's or group's well-being without going as far as being unnecessary while an 'unnatural' act is more one that relies on opinion that makes no logical sense or necessity (i.e. make all forms of nudity taboo because society tells us it is taboo with no other apparent rhyme or reason)

DerangedHobo said:
what the human body seems built for
Again, if that is any barometer humanity isn't built for societies in general. 9 to 5 jobs, living shoulder to shoulder with 100,000s of people you don't know, the usage of social media etc. You could make a pretty compelling argument that we are not built for the society we live in today but clinging to our "nature" seems... counter-intuitive.
You are correct, needlessly clinging to something is counter-intuitive but straying too far from our roots is also counter-intuitive. We have made society much more needless than it has to be and as a result we are creating a world in which destroys habitats for the toilet paper you wipe your ass with. That isn't to say we need to blow up our buildings and replace them with trees. It is 'natural' to advance our knowledge in certain fields to advance ourselves but destroying forests for your ass to feel soft does not seem very 'natural' in the least.

DerangedHobo said:
Censorship in regards to banning violent video games is something I tend to disagree with but the intent behind the banning is perfectly 'natural'.
Again, even our "nature" is subjective. If you want to get technical, nothing in unnatural, we all subsist within nature. We just became a species which shape our environment rather than just live within it.
We have become a species that is shaping our environment but I would not say for the better. We are destroying life left, right and center for hardly any reason. If we were advancing while trying to minimalise the damage we are doing to this world, I might agree with that statement but we are advancing, in my opinion, in a wrong and unnatural way. We have evolved into a much more aware state and as such a noblesse oblige way of thinking would be far more 'natural' than our greed today.

DerangedHobo said:
I mean, would you not want to protect your children if you believed the phrase 'Monkey see, monkey do'? What people believe is 'natural' is actually, in my opinion, a topic that is rarely discussed.
This is all based on the idea that "nature" is any guide. Violence is natural, impulsiveness and fear of the unknown is completely natural but at the same time its lead to our darkest hours as a species.
This is more based on the idea that 'nature' is a template. A method of 'this is how it can be done' rather than 'this is how it should be done', if you will. Our ways of survival that have kept us alive thus far certainly have their merits and should not be discarded but as you have said, they have lead to our darkest hours as a species. This is the result of using these methods to unnecessary or excessive means. A good example is war, it is not pretty and it is not always used in the right way but we cannot deny that in some cases a revolution is needed.
 

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IOwnTheSpire said:
Secondhand Revenant said:
IOwnTheSpire said:
Malpraxis said:
IOwnTheSpire said:
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executed instantly without a trial.
Also known as murder.
Yup. I approve the murder of some people. Pretty unpopular, don't you think?.
Of course, though approving some murders while condemning others is ridiculous. Either it's never okay or it's okay all the time. You can't cherry-pick.
Murder itself is just killing we 'cherry picked' as wrong.

Such absolutism makes no sense. It ignores the reason why he would declare some murder wrong and not other instances. It's as absurd as condemning self-defense by saying either no violence or all violence must be okay
Cherry-picking means making specific exceptions, and since the majority of killing tends to be murder, you've got that wrong. What I'm saying is that if you say you're against murder, you can't ever condone it; that defeats the point of saying you're against it. You could condone other forms of killing, such as during war or in self-defense, but not when it comes to illegally taking the life of another human being.
You have it wrong by assuming it is an exception. It would be if he said 'all murder is wrong'. He did not

Furthermore I find it unlikely you cannot make the simple step to assume he probably would not want his suggestion to be illegal anynore.
 

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Most of my opinions tend to be unpopular, because I think critically about each issues. Instead of sticking with the most vocal knee-jerk reaction regardless of the new information that becomes available. So, the most popular unpopular opinion that I have is people should start thinking critically instead of parroting "correct" talking points about an issue.

Christopher Nolan has ruined Batman for a generation. He made Bruce Wayne into a whining rich brat who was tired of being an hero.

Also, Heath Ledger should have not won an Oscar for his portrayal of The Joker. It should have went to Robert Downey Jr. for his role in Tropic Thunder.

This has been a great year for original science fiction movies: Jupiter Ascending, Ex Machina, Chappie, and Kingsman. Also, it is an awful year full of reboots and sequels that I am going to skip. The only exceptions are Avengers (which I loved) and Star Wars (which I am dreading).

Speaking of Star Wars 7, my biggest problem with the black stormtrooper in the first trailer. The way he popped up onto the screen. It looked like something out of a bad J.J. Abrams movie. Thank goodness, it's in the very capable hands of...UH OH!

CD's are still the best format to buy music. Also, I still buy music.

We should start ignoring people who engage in outrage campaigns. Companies should stop appeasing these annoying scolds. Like that one diet pill company who had woman in a bikini.

Colleges, Sports Leagues, and Companies should not punish people who get into trouble with the law. We have a legal system to determine guilt and innocence. A person livelihood shouldn't be in jeopardy, because of bad P.R. and popular opinions.
 

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The fight scenes in the new Daredevil sucked. The fight choreography was okay, but nothing special, but what made them such was they all went on for waaaaaaay too long, every fight felt dragged out. I don't really get the reason the fights had to last that long because the show's on Netflix it's not like they needed to use the fights to pad out the run time or something. The worst fight in the series was the hallway fight from the second episode.
For most of the second episode Daredevil is so injured that he can barely even move and yet he fights like ten dudes to rescue the kid. When I was watching the episode I was think he would have to be more stealthy and actually use his brains in saving the kid, but nope he just runs in and starts punching dudes. Most laughable thing ever.

In general the Daredevil series was a dull turd. Worst thing Marvel has made in years.