Fun fact: Whene they said CoreV they pronounced it pretty much exactly like the swedish word korv wich means sausage or Hot Dog!Mydnyght said:
Unskippable: Armored Core V
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Counter-nitpick - 186kN would balance 182.28 metric tons.Don Reba said:
Lets run the numbers:
1kg applies a downwards force of 0.98N. 0.98 is annoying, and I don't anticipate doing anything accurate, so lets equate 1kg to 1N. 1000kg in a ton, so 1 ton applies approximately 1kN of force downwards.
The F-35 Lightning II has a loaded weight of 22.47 tons.
Its powerplant, the PW F135, produces 125kN of thrust, going up to 191kN when afterburning.
So it has over 100kN of thrust left over to actually fly on.
The powerplant on its own weighs 1.7 tons.
Just one of them could potentially make your Abrams fly - it produces 2x the thrust required to lift the Abrams' mass (125kN vs 60 tons, that's 125kN force up, 60kN force down. Without afterburning). Certainly it would be enough to let it gently air drop
Sources: http://www.jeffhead.com/usn21/f35.htm, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratt_%26_Whitney_F135
A serious discussion about flying tanks.
A metric ton is 1000 kg. Force, measured in Newtons, is mass, measured in kilograms, times acceleration. Graviational acceleration is 9.81 m/s2, so 186 kN would balance 186,000/9.81 kg or about 19 tons.Wicky_42 said:
F-35 has a thrust to weight ratio of 0.87, which means that it cannot accelerate directly upwards (F-22 can). For a plane, this is ok due to its aerodynamic properties, but a tank has no lift at all and therefore requires a more powerful engine to stay in the air.Wicky_42 said:
Graham_LRR said:
welll.... i bow to your greater knowledge
way to be wrong on every point, it seems so obvious but it actually Really isn't
it is indeed completely insane and impossible to fathom by watching the scene alone
i went to the wiki, and a fan site to look up what is actually going on
apparently Fran is the resistance leader, that was a curve-ball for me
sorry.
VArmored CoreV is so amazingly incoherent that they missed an opportunity. The game should be called Flying Tanks, involving SHOOTING THINGS DOWN IN A FLYING TANK! Eat flying tanks democracy haters!
Not the case, actually.The Lugz said:
First though, let me try to work out how your context example helps this make sense.
You are saying:The Lugz said:
--Fran in the mech says they should go. Rosy in the chopper then attaches to Fran's mech, but tells Fran to go on ahead? What, without her mech?
--Fran says "I'm coming with you", okay so that means she's staying IN the mech.
--Rosy says "it's okay, we'll meet up later", oh, no, they ARE going separately. But, no they're not, because the mech IS with the helicopter... what!?
The silent player character is in the AC. Rosy is in the chopper, and Fran is off-site somewhere. It is woefully unclear.
hmm, this proves as ever perspective is everything i totally messed up who Fran was by missing that my bad!Graham_LRR said:
Edit:
i went and looked it up on the fan-site wiki apparently she is, indeed a married resistance leader and nothing to do with the cut-scene mech whatsoever
it seemed so obvious, but now i feel like a prat, so sorry
So... things established in the intro:
There's war in this world.
There's mechs in this world.
There's big guns in this world.
There's at least 3 women and 1 man in this world, names of Rossary, Fran, Carol and RD. The former two and latter two do not like each other.
And that's about it.
MGS4's cutscene may have gone on forever, but they at least contained some information.
There's war in this world.
There's mechs in this world.
There's big guns in this world.
There's at least 3 women and 1 man in this world, names of Rossary, Fran, Carol and RD. The former two and latter two do not like each other.
And that's about it.
MGS4's cutscene may have gone on forever, but they at least contained some information.
I have no idea what the hell this cutscene was about. Clearly it was made by someone who graduated from the entertainment school of "if we show lots of guns and metal-things and explosions and stuff it won't matter if it makes sense."
Really, that's a horrible introductory cutscene. I have no idea what's going on besides "things are shooting at other things. And there might be mechs."
Really, that's a horrible introductory cutscene. I have no idea what's going on besides "things are shooting at other things. And there might be mechs."
Damn, you are correct. Serves me right for trying to remember physics in the evenings. Oh well, it all looked so promising - visions of skies filled with hurtling tanks.Don Reba said:
So, we need 60*9.81/125 jet engines.
I make that to be 4.7, so 5 in order to make a tank float. That's totally possible, right? Make it 6 for balance and to carry the mass of fuel needed, throw in another two to make it able to go up a bit too... ok boys, we're back in business!
Next logical step: orbital drop tanks!
Good to see From Software's design logic and translation hasn't budged an inch in 14 years.
Read: Awkward, dull, with the occasional bits of unintentional hilarity thrown in.
(and this is coming from an old fan of Armored Core)
Read: Awkward, dull, with the occasional bits of unintentional hilarity thrown in.
(and this is coming from an old fan of Armored Core)
It's sad that not even half of the stuff you see in the intro is delved in the game. (Im looking at you desert scenes)
But then again the storyline never was Armored Core's strong suite ... ever.
Still as for 2:35 , why yes good sirs, certain head parts do "open up" whenever you use the superweapons. Most of them are the head parts with names of famous knights or the round.
But then again the storyline never was Armored Core's strong suite ... ever.
Still as for 2:35 , why yes good sirs, certain head parts do "open up" whenever you use the superweapons. Most of them are the head parts with names of famous knights or the round.
Depends on what game you're talking about. For Answer (and to a lesser extent, Last Raven) had a pretty good storyline even by non-Armored-Core standards.clonezero said:
Still doesn't change the fact that Armored Core V probably has the weakest/most convoluted story of the lot (and this is coming from somebody who's played Armored Core since the Armored Core 2)
