Update: Saints Row IV Refused Classification in Australia

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MrHide-Patten

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That's why I import from the UK, hopefully the UK version remains unaltered. Is it bad that this just makes me want the game more now?
 

Shamanic Rhythm

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Desert Punk said:
Ahh Australia, where if you want to look at a country that is absolutely retarded when it comes to videogames, you can look straight at them.
Adam Jensen said:
What the fuck Australia? Seriously! Stop being so retarded. Why are you still censoring entertainment?
In this thread: the irony of calling other people backward for not allowing trivial depictions of sexual violence for the sake of entertainment.

I'm actually glad to live in this country for once.
 

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Shamanic Rhythm said:
Desert Punk said:
Ahh Australia, where if you want to look at a country that is absolutely retarded when it comes to videogames, you can look straight at them.
Adam Jensen said:
What the fuck Australia? Seriously! Stop being so retarded. Why are you still censoring entertainment?
In this thread: the irony of calling other people backward for not allowing trivial depictions of sexual violence for the sake of entertainment.

I'm actually glad to live in this country for once.
Its always reassuring whenever those gun rights topics crop up, and feeling intolerably smug. But in all honesty our Government wouldn't know entertainment if it bit them on the ass, ours could learn a thing from the American government that bends backwards and over for their entertainment industry.
 

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So Yahtzee's bride's son twice removed got banned in his country? I cannot wait to see how he will take it, but if something were to happen to Michael Atkinson, well just sayin'... *innocent whistle*
 

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I am wondering why there is no in depth report on what has been censored I remember that the report on L4D2 told what and why things had been removed I am left thinking did they have any thing to do with the game for more than the opening mission
 

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... Really.... what the hell was the point of bringing in an adult rating if you're still going to ban stuff? WE'RE ADULTS DAMN IT! Yes I realise the irony...
It's like you don't want local retailers to have our business. It's bizarre.
 

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I'm guessing the irradiated Saint's Flow cans were just too much for them.
 

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rapidoud said:
"elements of illicit or proscribed drug use related to incentives or rewards". This is the biggy, no idea why you mentioned "Volition must have really dialed up the violence and sex for it to be refused the new rating" when drug use with rewards for it is the big one.

Fallout 3 was going to be banned when I think it was Med-X was called Morphine (drug use being rewarded) but it was changed to Med-X.

Violence and sex do nothing here; AvP2010 went through for MA15+ and that has violent decapitations (with spine included) in first person committed by the player. Sex does nothing. Underbelly has boobs every 10 seconds and used to air at 8:30PM and no one cares.

It's really being rewarded for sex and drug use that is the issue; violence you're implicitly rewarded in most games anyway.
You should try actually reading the articles, they are often very informative.
 

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Desert Punk said:
Shamanic Rhythm said:
Desert Punk said:
Ahh Australia, where if you want to look at a country that is absolutely retarded when it comes to videogames, you can look straight at them.
Adam Jensen said:
What the fuck Australia? Seriously! Stop being so retarded. Why are you still censoring entertainment?
In this thread: the irony of calling other people backward for not allowing trivial depictions of sexual violence for the sake of entertainment.

I'm actually glad to live in this country for once.
Thats not irony. Then again most people use the word completely wrong like you did, so I suppose you get a pass.

And gold star for you standing up for censorship 'Cuz I dun like it!'
Allow me to direct you to the OED:
2. irony (n) fig. A condition of affairs or events of a character opposite to what was, or might naturally be, expected; a contradictory outcome of events as if in mockery of the promise and fitness of things.

Next up:
retarded (adj) 1 a. Held back or in check; hindered, impeded; delayed, deferred.
or even: B: Psychol. People less advanced developmentally than others in a particular respect

You're calling Australia/Australians backward, while standing up for a game that depicts sexual violence not justified by context.

As for standing up for censorship, yes, I don't happen to like rape. And unless you can convince me that Saints Row 4 is actually using the concept in an intelligent, sophisticated and above all sensitive way as a means to bring about positive change or education, then I see no reason why anyone needs to play it with that shit left in. Intelligent people might be able to make up their own minds about the scene in question, but if all you're left with is a litmus test for decency and human empathy, it's a pretty pissweak reason for the scene to exist.
 

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OintmentFly said:
... Really.... what the hell was the point of bringing in an adult rating if you're still going to ban stuff? WE'RE ADULTS DAMN IT! Yes I realise the irony...
It's like you don't want local retailers to have our business. It's bizarre.
As someone who voted in favour of every petition to bring an R18 category in, I'd just like to point out that the aim wasn't to let everything in without question. The aim was to allow games designed for adults to not have to be made safe for children before they came into the country, by creating a separate, enforceable ratings category. Simple. Censorship has its place, as long as it's well-regulated. If the developer wants to appeal the verdict, there are channels for them to do so.
 

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Yokillernick said:
So Yahtzee's bride's son twice removed got banned in his country? I cannot wait to see how he will take it, but if something were to happen to Michael Atkinson, well just sayin'... *innocent whistle*
Luckily he has virtually no power anymore. Hence why the R18+ rating got through not long after he stepped down as SA's attorney general.
 

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Vausch said:
Teoes said:
Also, a few in here seem to be advocating piracy. Schoolboy error..
The only justifications for piracy: The game does not exist in your area and cannot be acquired, or the game is very old and unavailable by other means.

This has fit into #1 for many people that do not know someone in the states as several shipping companies will not ship to certain areas if something is illegal there. I've seen this with Nunchaku in California, for some reason. "Oh no, he's got 2 1 foot sticks on a chain! He'll cause a massacre!"
I'm not bothered about justifications of piracy, I noted that people were referring to pirating the game, which is of course against the CoC. No modwrath has been meted out so I'm assuming it's because the posts were worded more along the lines of "this game will be pirated" as opposed to "I will pirate this game".

Of course if one's Government has refused to classify a game and essentially made it illegal, then that does not justify piracy. Moot point though yes? After all none of us would admit to illegal activities.
 

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Teoes said:
Vausch said:
Teoes said:
Also, a few in here seem to be advocating piracy. Schoolboy error..
The only justifications for piracy: The game does not exist in your area and cannot be acquired, or the game is very old and unavailable by other means.

This has fit into #1 for many people that do not know someone in the states as several shipping companies will not ship to certain areas if something is illegal there. I've seen this with Nunchaku in California, for some reason. "Oh no, he's got 2 1 foot sticks on a chain! He'll cause a massacre!"
I'm not bothered about justifications of piracy, I noted that people were referring to pirating the game, which is of course against the CoC. No modwrath has been meted out so I'm assuming it's because the posts were worded more along the lines of "this game will be pirated" as opposed to "I will pirate this game".

Of course if one's Government has refused to classify a game and essentially made it illegal, then that does not justify piracy. Moot point though yes? After all none of us would admit to illegal activities.
Understandably. They are right, the game is going to get into the country no matter what they do because there are plenty of ways of doing it. Still, if they tack on the 100K fine like they did for Mortal Kombat, I would say they're justified to avoid that heavy risk.

Honestly, I think a form of protest is in order. Anybody up for mailing a copy of the game to their parliament with a note on how censorship just ruins art?
 

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CrossLOPER said:
RicoADF said:
To be fair, it says "illicit" drug use with a positive result, so basically it's depicting illegal drugs in a positive way supposedly. While I personally don't agree I can see where they're coming from, they don't want media that encourages illegal drug use (among other crimes).
So, blasting away civilians with attack helicopters is not a crime in Australia?
Not directly, they just severely limit our access to helicopters.
 

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luvd1 said:
It's time to debate ith your government people of Australia. My I suggest using a giant, purple dildo.
That just made me picture a bunch of oddly dressed protesters all carrying penetrators down the street best protest or worst?
 

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CrossLOPER said:
However, I am interested in why you would categorize the violence as over-the-top, but not the Pop-eye effect that characters seem to get from using narcotics. Furthermore, you ignored the part where I mentioned games that are more "serious" about violence being allowed through.
Aren't the drugs in this one that "power you up" going to be fictitious like in the expansion for the last game anyway? The ratings classification seems to indicate otherwise, but everything specific I've seen goes with that sentiment.

Shamanic Rhythm said:
I'm actually glad to live in this country for once.
Hooray for censorship! Prohibition is the solution for all of a nation's woes!
 

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Desert Punk said:
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Desert Punk said:
My god, what would australians ever do if they didnt have the government to protect them from alien probes and alien drugs...
Lessee... it's Wednesday today so the answer would be 'go to the pub'.
No no, you see you have a government to protect you from alien probes, thats why you can go to the pub. If it werent for the Govt lookin out for silly stuff in media you would apparently have people trying to shove sword dildos up your ass on Wednesdays.
That wouldn't stop me going to the pub... although I might stop sitting at the bar with my back to the crowd.
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
CrossLOPER said:
However, I am interested in why you would categorize the violence as over-the-top, but not the Pop-eye effect that characters seem to get from using narcotics. Furthermore, you ignored the part where I mentioned games that are more "serious" about violence being allowed through.
Aren't the drugs in this one that "power you up" going to be fictitious like in the expansion for the last game anyway? The ratings classification seems to indicate otherwise, but everything specific I've seen goes with that sentiment.
The biggest problem with the ACB has always been its inconsistency on what deserves to be Refused Classification and what doesn't. Introducing the R18+ rating for games didn't change the members of the ACB being a bunch of useless fuckwits.