UPDATE - Sony to Make Announcement Tomorrow?

[ChromeAlchemist]

I don't see how they can cut the price, they were already loosing money on each console, right? Cut it any more, and even if they sell like hotcakes, they'll be deeper in the pit than ever.

How well do hotcakes actually sell? I've always wondered that...

They're the best tasting thing on this earth, so I imagine they sell pretty damned well.

 

[y8c616]

Nintendo Wii costs 400 dollars. Xbox 360 60 GB costs 400 dollars. Playstation 3 80 GB costs 688 dollars.

Xbox 360 wins.

And even if the PS3 dropped it's price to 300 dollars, I would still buy the 360. Sony lost this generation.

How have sony lost when it outsold the xbox for both consoles' first 24 months

 

[Aqualung]

So, I still can't buy a PS3?

How long has this thing been out already?

Oh well. Guess I'll just have to camp over at my boyfriend's house when Uncharted 2 comes out.

 

[zagazsano]

ehh maybe people have a point when they say "Sony cannot afford another price cut"
If only they didn't release freakin' blu-ray so soon!! xD

 

[Brotherofwill]

And I will remind you, you are all going to buy a Ps3. This is not a threat or a prediction, its a statement of fact. Team Ico's third game is not appearing on any other platform. If you hold any form of belief in gaming as a cultural movement, you cannot miss that, full stop."

He has a point about the Team Ico game, really one of the only games that could advance the medium in sophistication. No one will buy it though...I am almost sure of that. People didn't even buy a lot of PS3s for Killzone, so Trico has the same chance of being a system seller as LBP.

 

[Lord Krunk]

"As they've already seen that a price cut is not really possible, Sony seem to be working from the other persepective, of insead of lowering the price, upping the value. So really, most of you that are saying you'd pay $300 for a game for 3 exclusives everyone must play, doesn't that mean it becomes an incredible deal when they keep the price at $400, but double the number of must-have games? Or is this more a case of you blindly predicting your reactions and shutting off any and all reexamination?

And I will remind you, you are all going to buy a Ps3. This is not a threat or a prediction, its a statement of fact. Team Ico's third game is not appearing on any other platform. If you hold any form of belief in gaming as a cultural movement, you cannot miss that, full stop."

And here's me thinking there was going to be 2 weeks of peace.

Oh well.

However, I do agree with him on some points, with regards to upping the value rather than lowering the price.

 

[KDR_11k]

How have sony lost when it outsold the xbox for both consoles' first 24 months

PS3 sales: ~21M
Wii sales: ~49M

He has a point about the Team Ico game, really one of the only games that could advance the medium in sophistication. No one will buy it though...I am almost sure of that. People didn't even buy a lot of PS3s for Killzone, so Trico has the same chance of being a system seller as LBP.

In my experience art games sell like dog poo, I'd expect the TI game to do much worse than LBP.

However, I do agree with him on some points, with regards to upping the value rather than lowering the price.

In theory it's a good approach, in practice they'll have a hard time actually pulling it off and I think their chance at doing it is near zero. The 360 costs half as much as a PS3 while having pretty much the same library, give or take an insignificant number of exclusives. They'd need to get a very large and varied library of exclusives with the 360 getting nothing like that in order to push their value high enough to make up for the price difference. Variety isn't the theme of this console generation though, seems more like everybody's making the same old brown-gray xPS and RPG titles for both HD consoles. You can't have a killer app without appealing to a new group of customers (that's why Killzone 2 wasn't a killer app, the PS3 already had enough appeal to xPS fans to sell to them, it's the people who don't care about those that need to be appealed to). I don't see Sony catching up and if anyone here thinks some random art game is going to make a difference they're deluding themselves. The only ones who care about art games are internet posters.

 

[sorry user name taken.]

Gee golly whilikers maybe now i can get the best blu ray out thar!



meh who am i kidding i always end up getting both lol

 

[Radelaide]

And I'm hit with a resounding feeling of "meh". Sony aren't going to say anything remotely important tomorrow.

And if they do, I'll eat my hat... Once I get a hat.

 

[Lord Krunk]

However, I do agree with him on some points, with regards to upping the value rather than lowering the price.

In theory it's a good approach, in practice they'll have a hard time actually pulling it off and I think their chance at doing it is near zero. The 360 costs half as much as a PS3 while having pretty much the same library, give or take an insignificant number of exclusives. They'd need to get a very large and varied library of exclusives with the 360 getting nothing like that in order to push their value high enough to make up for the price difference. Variety isn't the theme of this console generation though, seems more like everybody's making the same old brown-gray xPS and RPG titles for both HD consoles. You can't have a killer app without appealing to a new group of customers (that's why Killzone 2 wasn't a killer app, the PS3 already had enough appeal to xPS fans to sell to them, it's the people who don't care about those that need to be appealed to). I don't see Sony catching up and if anyone here thinks some random art game is going to make a difference they're deluding themselves. The only ones who care about art games are internet posters.

I should have been more clear.

I don't agree with the theory that they'll succeed, I just agree with the fact that they'll try. They're refusing to lower the price, and that is their downfall; people just don't want to spend that much to play a video game, and that's a fact.

I agree with everything you said there, by the way. Sony's just refusing to do any of the things that made the PS2 so great (cheap price, bigger variety, better exclusives, backwards compatibility), and they're wondering why they're at the bottom of the ladder.

 

[Brotherofwill]

The only ones who care about art games are internet posters.

The only people that care about art games are the people that care about art and games as a medium of it. They are also the people that want to see the medium advance out of gray-brownish shooter territory. Sadly there aren't too many of us, which is the only reason this industry is in the sad state that it is in.

BTW Ico and SotC actually sold quite well:

Ico around 700 000-900 000, and SotC around 1 500 000.

I just don't think it will be a system seller, but it will still reach the 1-mil mark.

 

[Gladion]

Personally, I'd say they will reveal the PS4

If the PS3 is selling so 'poorly' due to it's price, why would they work on a more expensive console?

I was just joking, hence that smiley. I understand you know that.

 

[Brotherofwill]

With all the information, we can't really definitively say that the announcement won't be a PS3 price cut, true. We also can't definitively say that the announcement won't be a surprise revelation that Sony is actually a race of mutated lobster-men who are trying to conquer the surface world via subliminal messages in their videogames. Personally, I'd put those odds at about 50/50.

They could be Lizard people...

That's ridiculous...
Everyone knows they are Crab-people

 

[y8c616]

How have sony lost when it outsold the xbox for both consoles' first 24 months

PS3 sales: ~21M
Wii sales: ~49M

How have sony lost when it outsold the xbox for both consoles' first 24 months

PS3 sales: ~21M
Wii sales: ~49M

He has a point about the Team Ico game, really one of the only games that could advance the medium in sophistication. No one will buy it though...I am almost sure of that. People didn't even buy a lot of PS3s for Killzone, so Trico has the same chance of being a system seller as LBP.

In my experience art games sell like dog poo, I'd expect the TI game to do much worse than LBP.

However, I do agree with him on some points, with regards to upping the value rather than lowering the price.

In theory it's a good approach, in practice they'll have a hard time actually pulling it off and I think their chance at doing it is near zero. The 360 costs half as much as a PS3 while having pretty much the same library, give or take an insignificant number of exclusives. They'd need to get a very large and varied library of exclusives with the 360 getting nothing like that in order to push their value high enough to make up for the price difference. Variety isn't the theme of this console generation though, seems more like everybody's making the same old brown-gray xPS and RPG titles for both HD consoles. You can't have a killer app without appealing to a new group of customers (that's why Killzone 2 wasn't a killer app, the PS3 already had enough appeal to xPS fans to sell to them, it's the people who don't care about those that need to be appealed to). I don't see Sony catching up and if anyone here thinks some random art game is going to make a difference they're deluding themselves. The only ones who care about art games are internet posters.

I never said anything about the wii; as you pointed out, the ps3's sales in its first 24 months is about 21 million. Whereas for the 360, its more like 17 million. Therefore people saying the ps3 has failed are wrong

 

[MrGFunk]

In my experience art games sell like dog poo, I'd expect the TI game to do much worse than LBP.

Holding Team ICO games in such high regard, sentiments apparently shared by a large group of gamers - I frequently read of people wanting to find copies of ICO (original £60 on EBAY before it's rerelease) and Shadow of the Colossus - why would anyone risk missing these iconic and important games?

I don't see how another of their games will pass by with critical acclaim without commercial success at release.