Update: TVTropes Deletes All Rape Tropes

[Cheesepower5]

The nerd/geek community right now is in the middle of a phase of self-examination when it comes to the use of sexual violence as a storytelling device in media for one, and the treatment of women and female characters for another.

I see the deletion of these Rape Tropes articles as a plus point, the gaming community is in a state of self reflection at the minute after E3 and its probably for the best that the gamers formulate their own opinions on this hot topic instead of regugitatating a trope a 14 year old from Alaska wrote in their spare time.

Take some points from a trope yes, but think for yourself.

Can you tell me what happened at E3 with female reporters, I feel like I'm living under a rock or something.

It was the Lara Croft Rape scene in the trailer that seemed to have caused a stir, there's a anonymous article about it on this very site, my point was that normally people just regurgitate opinions of articles on Tropes or Wiki then back up their point with said wiki article.

Now people can think for themselves, for the 5 minutes at least until all the pages are cached and published somewhere else.

Also the rape scene probably made people who been attacked pretty uncomfortable.

What about female reporters? I didn't hear anything about that.

I don't know, did I say anything about female reporters?, I mean its understandable that some people were offended by it. Also people seem to be offended by one of the Devs making very silly remarks that the rape scene will make you want to protect Lara Croft... I'm dude, just don't say anything

To be fair he could have said anything and he would have been shot down because he's on the Dev Team, people go on the defensive claiming he's naturally biased (which is true but why the hell wouldn't he be?, its not like he's going to say, "you should skip half the game I made cos its a bit shit)

You didn't mention it, but it was brought up this week andd I felt like there was something that I was missing.

One female reporter claimed she was being treated in a condescending manner by the staff at a certain booth, and blamed it on sexism. It wouldn't surprise me, but I saw lots of examples of booth workers taking reigns of the controller of a game to rush the demonstration, so she might have just been getting up in arms over an unintended attempt to keep things going.

Either way, they were backseat gaming, she was pissed.

 

[tehweave]

There was one particular page that I quite enjoyed, mostly because it brings to light something that people never ever address: "Rape is okay when it's woman on man." It talked about how if a woman is raped in a movie by a man, said man will bite the bullet at the end. If a man is raped by a woman, we're in a wacky romantic comedy! (Wedding Crashers) Is that one gone too? I can't find it under the renamed ones.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale

I thank you!

 

[Hyperme]

Wait, so first peeps were complaining that TV Tropes had bad content and it was being defended via freedom of speech. But now freedom of speech is super important and TV Tropes is murdering it all over the place. You can't have it both ways. You can say that their view of freedom of speech is wrong, since it's not meant to protect immoral things or something along those lines. But you need to actually add that qualification, since otherwise it seems that it's a 'freedom of speech, but only if I agree with it thing', which is not really freedom of speech. I guess running an internet site is some kind of terrifing balencing act where any mess-up gets you throw to the stupid. Er, wolves.

Also, @'TV Tropes devalues literary criticism'. No it doesn't. You can't devalue something that already lacks objective value. If a site filled with nerds who don't care about 'Classic Novels' (which I add, are often depthless tradgedies) and would rather talk about Lady Gaga and Pokemon devalues your airy fairy excuse for intelligent subject, maybe you should of chosen a less subjective topic, like sports commetary or politics.

 

[AlexanderPeregrine]

I used to partake in TV Tropes years ago. It used to have some appeal and it still does offer a great way to find new works (useless as the analysis and presentation may be to actual critique), but I got sick of people acting irrational over absolutely everything. Now, with everything I read about about TV Tropes culture and the depths of madness large chunks of it reached, I think there has to be a witty phrase named _________'s Law/Principle to describe why it (and other often-maligned sites like deviantART and 4chan) became that way:

"As a community continues with light or no moderation, the more normal people will be driven out and replaced by the more extreme."

Related to and exacerbated by the ever-infamous Poe's Law (in that they can no longer recognize extreme exaggeration of themselves) and the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory. If there's already something semi-official to that effect, do tell.

 

[Jabberwock xeno]

I don't think it's that something was worked out, I think the editors said "Screw this!" and started to re-build the pages because they felt it shouldn't be deleted.

 

[Zen Toombs]

Original Poster's original post

Umm, I just checked all the pages mentioned and they're all up. You may want to do some sort of update on the news post.

 

[John Funk]

Original Poster's original post

Umm, I just checked all the pages mentioned and they're all up. You may want to do some sort of update on the news post.

You mean like the update at the bottom of the post?

 

[NortherWolf]

I'm saying the gaming hobby as a whole doesn't seem to be mature enough to handle rape without an unhealthy dose of misogynistic BS served alongside it.

Thing is, maybe it's because i*m a dumb, backwater Swede...But I don't see those waves of feminism...All I see is men and women striving for equal rights, and on one end a small number of women who're political zealots, while there's a huge number of men on the other who at best seem to think. "Well, things are good now! Oh yes sireeee! All fine! LALALAAL!" Or, "Women should be fucked so that they're happy."

So you're saying to censor all of it? That's a severe overreaction.

A list of Holocaust victims is just a list. The intentions of those who use that list is altogether different. Its just like whether revealing clothing is exploitative or not. Wasn't there just a thread on that? The answer is it depends. If a female persons, on her own volition, wears such clothing because it makes her feel more attractive, then no, no exploitation occurred. You can argue the very fact that it makes her feel attractive is a social construction created to serve men by the eeEVVvilllLLlll Patriarchy or whatever dumb crap, but in the end, she voluntarily made the choice and I'm not going to tell her she can't wear what she wants.

If you really don't think gaming is a place for you, then leave gaming. Find a different hobby or don't go on public message boards. Btw, love you Scandinavian countries. Would like to live there one day; maybe when I'm retired or something haha.

Censor it all? Of course not. I'd say burn it to fucking cinders if it keeps the misogynistic bullshit up. Nerd culture is fucking awful, and sooner rather than later it must decide if it wants to keep up being Comic Book Guy coupled with frat boys or if it wants to be a mature representation of a hobby.

Revealing clothing is a choice to play on natural instincts. "Hey, I look good." Both men and women do it.. Two of my best friends tend to do it too much for my taste, but it's not evil.

I've been gaming since*considers* -87. I've spent too much of my life on gaming to simply walk away. But it's like seeing your best friend drink himself to oblivion; you just want the guy to shape up and work his shit out. Nerd culture, and especially gaming, isn't the same little basement/close circle of friends-thing it was when I grew up, and you know, people need to start realizing that.
Erh, Sweden is alright I guess. Shitty weather most of the time. Apparently we have the best pizzas in the world though. *shrugs*

 

[Erttheking]

The pages are coming back? Whew, that's good to hear, although it will be a little annoying getting used to the new names.

 

[Zen Toombs]

Original Poster's original post

Umm, I just checked all the pages mentioned and they're all up. You may want to do some sort of update on the news post.

You mean like the update at the bottom of the post?

Pretty much. Although it appears that all of the pages are reinstated, so my comment wasn't COMPLETELY without value.

 

[Schadrach]

There was one particular page that I quite enjoyed, mostly because it brings to light something that people never ever address: "Rape is okay when it's woman on man." It talked about how if a woman is raped in a movie by a man, said man will bite the bullet at the end. If a man is raped by a woman, we're in a wacky romantic comedy! (Wedding Crashers) Is that one gone too? I can't find it under the renamed ones.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale

I thank you!

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale might be the one you really want. The abuse page is primarily about nonsexual violence.

 

[MB202]

This is terrible! I mean, yeah, rape is bad, but getting ride of tropes that relate to rape is NOT going to make things better or worse!

 

[Klas Wullt]

Yes, you are orwellian and no you don't have an excuse.
Google has the excuse, they own the crap. If they don't want people to discuss controversial
topic and having tolerance of opinion, find another server.

Ideologically I think the world sucks.
I miss my "precious wank index" very much. It was neat to see a hentai index
and fun to check out links to the most atrocious hentai and movies ever.
Now the spontaneousness of the reading is feeling colder and faked.

No, there are no pedofiles on TV tropes, just horny teenagers and adults who happens to like
things that you "its for kids" so you want it to be family friendly and never where.
Whats so wrong about sex and hentai?
Its not crime to like hentai, it doesn't in any way make you a pedofile nor rapist.
You seem to substitute just "sex" or not even sex just "anime"
with perverts and internet pedos lurking for PRECISE "YOUR" KIDS IF THEY LOGGIN!


Do you care about freedom of speech at all?
Perhaps some of you are of the belief, that the state or small community of experts in good taste
can separate what is important from what is harmful with "freedom of expression".
Sanctioning works resembling what is already worshipped ,setting some limits to this intellectual work,
and only censuring what 80% percent of the mentally healthy population never wants to see anyway.

Guess what, I wanted that too and we had that but people like all of you here, crossed the line
when you condemn a hole community assuming they are guilty until opposite is proven
and persecuting a so obviously purely subjective offence, such as "writing about writing about rape"
in( a according to you YOU), "bad" way.
Most really sick things are already censured and TV tropes rape and hentai index wasn't one of them.

For you its seems proven innocent seems to be impossible high, of course there are at least a single pedofiles on that site,
for there are PEDOFILES EVERYWHERE.
Seriously, you should start looking at playgrounds, I cant imagine how many pedos there are there!
Just think of how you encourage pedofilia by putting a playground so close to potential child molesters.
Just think of all those building blocks and the crowded public spaces!


Books about rape are still arts, and they are still just books, like Game of Thrones!

There cant be any exception to freedom of speech of just talking about rape and pedofilia.
Lolita, is a important piece of art and not just because of that subject.
Sex and rape plays a minor part of all these works you censure and destroy
so it doesnt make any sense to delet'e it.

There are no pedofiles on TV tropes, you are just predjudiced
and there is nothing wrong about sex.
People SHOULD WRITE and talk more about rape and pedofilia becouse its SOCAL ISSUES.