Updated: PlayStation 4 Becomes Reality

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

Does not matter much really. this is more of a future gaming thing.

I know it doesn't matter much when it comes to performance. Anyway, I made a mistake. I was excited because I thought it was DDR5, not GDDR5. Apples and oranges.

 

[VoidWanderer]

The only thing I care about for the PS4 is if it backwards compatible.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

The only thing I care about for the PS4 is if it backwards compatible.

It isn't. And it's better that way because it will be cheaper, and you can use PS3 to play PS3 games. Why are people so obsessed with backwards compatibility? No one is taking your PS3 away from you when you purchase a PS4.

Adam Jensen said something in regards to it being more powerful then computers at the moment... total and utter rubbish, for system memory, timing is far more important and considering GDDR5 (seeing as DDR5 isn't out) has rubbish timings at the moment, I'd certainly be avoiding it.

I was totally caught up in the moment. I thought the guy said DDR5 which made me excited like a schoolgirl.

 

[Strazdas]

Does not matter much really. this is more of a future gaming thing.

I know it doesn't matter much when it comes to performance. Anyway, I made a mistake. I was excited because I thought it was DDR5, not GDDR5. Apples and oranges.

yeah, it seems that way, i was fooled for a bit there as well.

 

[TJC]

Will it be backwards compatible
Will it require constant internet connection
Are they going to be sued for implementing the possible one game on one console only scheme
Will they charge us Australians 3x the price
Do I have to sign up to too many things?

No
Yes
Unlikely
Very likely
And definitely yes

OT:
So far, not impressed. The only thing that scares me is that games will become another 10 bucks more expensive and that we have basically two options: paying an arm and a leg for the console, or making Sony pay an arm and a leg so that the console is even remotely affordable by poor sods like me. I believe it'll be somewhere in the middle with a cost of about $499 which obviously will translate 1:1 in pounds and euros because international companies roll that way >:C

and apparently, playing single player games will be continued to be frowned upon because now we have to share our entire play time with the world. and I think we now know how Sony will enforce their "no used games" strategy. By watching us play big brother style /paranoid

Seriously, though, games so far? meh

 

[Evil Smurf]

I'd get one then hack it and install linux.

 

[Proverbial Jon]

I might seriously consider PlayStation 4 being my console of choice next generation over my previously coveted Xbox 360... unless of course Microsoft pull something incredible out of the hat.

8Gb of DDR5 RAM? That's INSANE!

I'm surprised they named it the playstation 4. I wonder if it's going to be released as something else in Japan.

I don't see why it's surprising. I mean look at their console history...

PlayStation
PlayStation 2
PlayStation 3

Kinda fits quite well if you ask me I honestly prefer the tried and trusted numbering system; it just makes everything so much easier when talking about generations.

Colour me jaded but I give zero effs about sharing and videos and blah blah blah; I just want to play my damn game.

Oh god, this! I'm much more interested in my core gaming experience being improved. I want a more comfortable controller and better GUI, both of which seem to have been improved. The social aspects of gaming hold no interest with me.

 

[nexus]

The specs are pretty decent for a console system. Problem is, the entire industry is going to be held back by the "XBOX Next". They won't be using blu-ray. obviously, so sticking with DVDs then. They will of course be under the PS3 specs.

Basically, every game is going to be multiplatform, so PC & PS3 games will be marginally better because the games had to be developed for XBOX as well. The PS3 "exclusives" are just that, exclusives. So it means very little for PC gaming. Held back once again by whatever Microsoft wants. I imagine their biggest feature is a more extreme marketplace/dashboard. Thumbs up.

Also, they seem to care little about actual games and more about "market share" as xDarc said. Sharing, videos, deep Facebook integration.. wtf? Seriously just fuck off with this.

Also, the fact that it has no backwards compatibility is complete nonsense. I'll just assume they will announce "most PS3 games playable".. but here is the thing. The leap from PS1, to PS2 to PS3 was very profound. The leap from PS3 to PS4 is not as profound, it's marginal. PS4 games will not be that much different from say, PS2 to PS3. Having no PS3 compatibility is insane, and it is indication they are trying to corner the market and force consumers to use extra services.

 

[floppylobster]

Well it's a sad day for me when a whole generation passes me by (the PS3) without tempting me into buying a console. I guess my gaming days are over.

 

[gorfias]

These can be viewed at 1080P.

First is from Skyrim from this generation. It is one of the best looking games I own.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfKuXJ9oOPs

Next is some footage from the 2/2/2013 Sony announcement

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbFBEjlKtpY

I doubt that is actual game play. It is likely cut scene. But, it sure shows how far we can go. PS4 might be able to do it. 8 Gig of DDR5. That is amazing. That is like having two high end graphics cards in SLI or Crossfire.

At $400, some are asking how Sony can make money. Well, first, they likely will see losses for a while. For some reason, they can sell a console for less than it costs to make and that is NOT considered predatory pricing. Go figure.

But Nintendo is selling an HD system with a tablet for $300. You can get a premium with extras for $350. You can use the tablet for a number of things, including playing a console game, streamed to the tablet while the family watches TV.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3FUz-fPUg0

Sony is telling you to go spend $400 on a Vita. So, for a similar experience but with better graphics, be ready to spend more like $800. To Sony, I write, er... OK. Will do ASAP.

The thing looks amazing. Maybe I can sell my kids for medical experiments to rustle up cash for this stuff!

The Vita is out now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyNWmwXoPTM

The PS4 will be out in 2013 Q4. We haven't seen the actual console yet! Even after the 2/20/2013 event! We have seen the controller.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8kZCV621Tw

 

[Ninonybox_v1legacy]

All I have from Sony is my PS1.....I might actually get this. Make "ninonybox" complete.

 

[Cooperblack]

DDR 5 .. this is gonna be one hell of an expensive console.

 

[woodaba]

EDIT: All...righty then. Since the rumors about Always Online DRM and used game-blocking are untrue...then I gotta say, the PS4 looks alright. Don't like gimmicky stuff, and the controller looks TERRIBLE, but, could be worse. I'll see what Microsoft has up their sleeves before I make decision, though.

 

[Cooperblack]

The rumours that the PS4 would permanently require an internet connection and block used games have officially been confirmed to be untrue by Sony.

Here [http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-02-21-playstation-4-does-not-require-an-internet-connection]

And here [http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-02-21-sony-tells-eurogamer-playstation-4-will-not-block-used-games]

Interesting.

 

[woodaba]

The rumours that the PS4 would permanently require an internet connection and block used games have officially been confirmed to be untrue by Sony.

Here [http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-02-21-playstation-4-does-not-require-an-internet-connection]

And here [http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-02-21-sony-tells-eurogamer-playstation-4-will-not-block-used-games]

Interesting.

"Social is big for us, but we understand there are some people who are anti-social!"

Ugh. What a sneering remark. The fact that they said this makes me believe that they are still planning an always-online system in the near future.

 

[gorfias]

DDR 5 .. this is gonna be one hell of an expensive console.

The rumor is, about $400. This is very reasonable. The only thing that stinks: get ready to pay another $400 for a Vita with proprietary memory card to get the most out of it.

 

[Lord_Jaroh]

The gaming industry needs one of the big ones to fail in order for it to truly recover, and actually start making games for gamers again.

So, what about the PS4 presentation made you think that this is anything but an attempted improvement for a core gamer audience? I didn't see any family-friendly commercials of a family with two kids, both parents, and at least one grandparent playing in an extremely white room. Maybe I missed something.

What I saw was a bold vision about the development of their console. Much of the stuff about the PS4 (at least, the first hour or so) was extremely impressive to me. There are several ideas that they have that are explicitly trying to improve the experience for core gamers and the gamer community. Do you think non-gamers love putting up and watching Let's Plays or walkthroughs? Why would non-gamers care that several developers from outside Sony had early and real input to make sure that they can have solid 3P support from both major and indy game developers? Casual gamers aren't the ones meant to be won over by their talk of streaming demos for every game or the ability to have automatic or instant game saves just by setting down the controller (by pressing the PS button, I think).

Those things are for gamers and if you can't see that they would be an improvement over current systems, you probably didn't watch the presentation (it's easy to misinterpret things when you only read highlights).

I saw nothing in the presentation that warrants creating a new console that would require me to buy all of my games again in order to play them. Most of what they introduced for the PS4 could have been plugged into the PS3 with some software development. So all in all, we get a PS3+ that has slightly shinier graphics, so they can use the excuse to up the cost of games again arbitrarily (citing "development costs"), and it gives me the opportunity to rebuy any of my games again for the PS4, since it won't play any of those games that I already purchased. They don't care about the audience that it already has, it is concerned with the people that it doesn't have, and that is where their failing is.

The gaming "industry" used to be about making games that people enjoyed playing, of innovating, not just about shiny graphics and making money.

The only thing I care about for the PS4 is if it backwards compatible.

It isn't. And it's better that way because it will be cheaper, and you can use PS3 to play PS3 games. Why are people so obsessed with backwards compatibility? No one is taking your PS3 away from you when you purchase a PS4.

Some people like to have a clean living room, with one system under their TV, not 5. Some people also like technology to actually advance, especially when the companies show that they can do it, and then take that feature away, only to re-sell the games to us at an inflated price.

Forced obsolescence is not a good thing.

 

[Insideout Ink Demon]

hapy for anyone to call me out on this; but ther is no such thing as DDR5. there's DDR3 system RAM and GDDR5 for graphics cards. GDDR5 can not be used for system memory or am I missing something here?

Also, great news about the 8 cores, lets hope they all get used in game, and push PC games beyond their current 4 core limit

 

[Insideout Ink Demon]

The only thing I care about for the PS4 is if it backwards compatible.

It isn't. And it's better that way because it will be cheaper, and you can use PS3 to play PS3 games. Why are people so obsessed with backwards compatibility? No one is taking your PS3 away from you when you purchase a PS4.

some people prefer a one system does all for their game archive. one system looks a lot more pleasent to some (me included) than having a PS2, PS3 and a PS4 surrounding your TV. its a preference thing

 

[DeadlyYellow]

Yeah no.

Enhanced social interaction means nothing to me, and there's little else to wow. I'm throwing in with the PC this generation.