Upgradeable Consoles.

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Mr.Mattress

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Console Upgrades haven't worked (The Sega 32X, CD, and the N64DD for example), so no, I wouldn't.
 

Hateren47

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notyouraveragejoe said:
rokkolpo said:
no. it hate meddling with my hardware.

hardware scares me.
Exactly. I like not really having to do anything.
In my vision installing RAM would be like changing cartridges on a Nintendo DS and installing an new GPU would be like changing games on a NES. I believe that the Angry Video Game Nerd has this amazing act of daredevilism down to less than 3 seconds. It would be simple and non-scary, your games would just look better and load faster.
 

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rokkolpo said:
no. it hate meddling with my hardware.

hardware scares me.
It scares me too. Like a ghost. ahhhhhh. Sorry, I thought I saw a ghost, but it was just my computer. ahhhhhh, hardware.
 

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If we got upgradeable consoles, they better be the last consoles ever. I don't want to spend a fortune upgrading something when it'll just be replaced later on.
 

InfernoJesus

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As it stands, console games are made specifically for the specs on the console. In many cases, upgrading wouldn't really affect much other than load times.
 

Hateren47

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Marq said:
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Marq said:
Well you ignored the first post and keep babbling about voiding warranties. And failing hardware could be easier, cheaper and faster replaced. If you fry you GPU and it's out of warranty you would only need to get a new GPU and not a new console. If it's under warranty pop the original GPU back in and send it off to the manufacturer. No screwdrivers needed.

Prices on GPUs aren't that high either. You wouldn't be able to get the newest top of the line PC hardware because they would indeed need more power, but you can find GPU's more powerful than the consoles have for less than the price of a single game.

And I doubt the user base would have any trouble installing a new graphics card if all you need is to power down the console, switch cartridges (no screwdrivers) and boot again.
I'm getting tired so I'll try to make this brief.

The warranty is serious business and opening the system voids it. Please understand that, I'm getting sick of saying it. Are you suggesting the video card slot be on the exterior?
Yes.
You'd need a ridiculous overall design to accommodate that. Try not to give me an aneurysm.
Surely you are not telling me that consoles don't already have a ridiculous design. Also:



Imagine this 20 years later.

Hardware failures I'm talking about are things like Red Ring, Yellow Light, Firmware crashes. Not easily nor quickly fixed. One-in-a-million faulty parts might be easy to replace, but those are so rare as to not be worth mentioning. Driver support is still an issue.
I don't see how this effects anything, except you would get new warranty for new hardware. Your console might be out of warranty but your brand new GPU still has 2 years left.
I'm going to bed.
nn mate.
 

DarthFennec

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Why the fuck would you do that? I can see faster load times for some games, but if a game was built for a certain speed, amount of RAM, graphic quality, etc, giving it more RAM won't do shit, and if the game is built with the upgrade in mind, then it's just worse off for the guys that never bought it. PC gaming can be quite complex for this precise reason, and since with consoles you don't have to worry about stats, it just makes it better, doesn't it? Any PS2 game will play the same way in any PS2, and the simplicity of that is part of the reason people like it.
 

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heavymedicombo said:
Hateren47 said:
Irridium said:
Well if you could do that then why not just by a PC?
It would still be a lot simpler than Windows.
riiiiiiiiight, even though xbox runs off a modified windows.
Sure it runs Windows. Kinda like how the iPad runs off a modified Snow Leopard. Kinda like not at all.
 

GiantRedButton

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Hateren47 said:
Would you buy upgrades for you console(s) if you could? Say if the Xbox 360 had a lid on the bottom for more RAM like a laptop or the PS3 had a cartridge-like graphics card expansion slot in the back.

If it wasn't any harder than loading up SMB3 on a NES, would you fork over the money for having more AA and higher FPS or faster load times?

Hardware prices would be the same as the PC counterpart + the usual 10% console tax for putting their sticker on it.
this has already happened with the n64, you could exchange the ram to double size (8mb instead of 4)
and that would improve the graphics for fps games like turok or perfect dark.
alot of games supported it and majoras mask and donkey kong 64 required it but alot of them supported it like you said
There are 61 games that supported the expansion pack counted them from the wikipedia page
 

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The entire point of consoles is that they are a cheaper, standardised and simpler alternative to PCs as a gaming platform. They're for people that do not have the money or inclination to buy and maintain a gaming PC. That's how I see it anyway, so upgradable consoles just seem like a waste of time to me.
 

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heavymedicombo said:
Hateren47 said:
heavymedicombo said:
Hateren47 said:
Irridium said:
Well if you could do that then why not just by a PC?
It would still be a lot simpler than Windows.
riiiiiiiiight, even though xbox runs off a modified windows.
Sure it runs Windows. Kinda like how the iPad runs of a modified Snow Leopard. Kinda like not at all.
hey it does. its cause microsoft only wants to use their system.
The Xbox runs "Xbox Dashboard" and Xbox 360 runs "Xbox 360 Dashboard". It's not Windows and although it's gonna end up looking like Windows Phone 7 it's not that either.
 

Hateren47

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heavymedicombo said:
Hateren47 said:
heavymedicombo said:
Hateren47 said:
heavymedicombo said:
Hateren47 said:
Irridium said:
Well if you could do that then why not just by a PC?
It would still be a lot simpler than Windows.
riiiiiiiiight, even though xbox runs off a modified windows.
Sure it runs Windows. Kinda like how the iPad runs of a modified Snow Leopard. Kinda like not at all.
hey it does. its cause microsoft only wants to use their system.
The Xbox runs "Xbox Dashboard" and Xbox 360 runs "Xbox 360 Dashboard". It's not Windows and although it's gonna end up looking like Windows Phone 7 it's not that either.
i said modified version.
It has nothing to do with Windows. It can work with a Windows PC but it's completely different. The two don't even share the same filesystem. It's irrelevant to the thread as well.
 

TimeLord

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That wouldn't work as games would have to be catered for the lowest end of console spec to accommodate all console users.
 

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I think its an awesome idea that I have thought about many times myself. My only issue would be if games started requiring system requirements.
 

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heavymedicombo said:
Hateren47 said:
heavymedicombo said:
Hateren47 said:
heavymedicombo said:
Hateren47 said:
heavymedicombo said:
Hateren47 said:
Irridium said:
Well if you could do that then why not just by a PC?
It would still be a lot simpler than Windows.
riiiiiiiiight, even though xbox runs off a modified windows.
Sure it runs Windows. Kinda like how the iPad runs of a modified Snow Leopard. Kinda like not at all.
hey it does. its cause microsoft only wants to use their system.
The Xbox runs "Xbox Dashboard" and Xbox 360 runs "Xbox 360 Dashboard". It's not Windows and although it's gonna end up looking like Windows Phone 7 it's not that either.
i said modified version.
It has not thing to do with Windows. It can work with a Windows PC but it's completely different. The two don't even share the same filesystem. It's irrelevant to the thread as well.
it isnt irrelevant, hardware without software is useless.
Surely you are just trolling now. If by chance you are not, please let me know when you figure out the point you're trying to make. I said the systems in my vision (project X1080, PS4 and the Hoo) would still be simpler than Windows (as in a full blown PC you build your self) and then I lost you.
 

Iron Lightning

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Remember the Sega CD? The 32X? Yeah, upgradable consoles usually don't work out too well.

Standardization is one of the selling points of consoles; it makes game development quite a bit easier.
 

NickCaligo42

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The point of a console is to keep hardware standards consistent across developers. It keeps console development easy, allowing devs to optimize for one specific level of detail instead of dozens of variations in-between. They're able to depend on one specific polygon count being the magic number they have to shoot for with any particular asset, give or take. They're able to depend on a specific resolution for textures being the maximum resolution. For these reasons we can generally count on console games to be reliable and release schedules are frequent enough that devs can release products often and make some money but long enough that they can put some quality into a title... usually. There's always some exceptions, but we know they deserve to be banished to Hades for their incompetence because, as I say, the hardware is standardized and they have no excuse for not knowing how to deal with it.

You're proposing that we remove this consistency. This is a bad idea.
 

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LordCuthberton said:
InfernoJesus said:
Such a device already exists and is on the market. It's called a PS3.
I could call you out on so much right now, but your not worth the time small fry. Get back to the pond.
Don't mind me, I'll just be right here in my pond, playing on non-faulty hardware with other small-fries who found that they didn't have to play on a console that breaks every few months and costs $60/year to play online.