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Saw this coming from a mile away.

Trump completely misrepresented how tariffs work (either specifically for this reason, or because he genuinely doesn't know how they work, I honestly can't tell), and no matter how much you shout at people "that's not how that works" they will not listen. They think they know how it works, and since what you're saying doesn't line up with what they think and what glorious leader has told them then clearly you are wrong and stupid.

Well I guess they'll learn once their costs go up.
 
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Oh no, they can be upset. They just can't spend all their time arguing against left wing values, demanding Muslims vote for the genocide of Palestinian people, and then complain at the left wingers again "oh woe is me and my problems!"
Cool, which I didn't do.

It's why I don't think you actually care, or feel bad. It's a weapon to cudgel with, which is absolutely distasteful.
Similarly, I don't think you actually give a shit. You have your idea of how people should vote, and if they differ from it-- even for tactical reasons-- they're fucking scum. Any reason they give is a lie. Any concern they have is invalid. It's how you've approached conversation here with those outside the pure 0.4.
 

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Cool, which I didn't do.



Similarly, I don't think you actually give a shit. You have your idea of how people should vote, and if they differ from it-- even for tactical reasons-- they're fucking scum. Any reason they give is a lie. Any concern they have is invalid. It's how you've approached conversation here with those outside the pure 0.4.
You can look at my other conversations with people here and see that just isn't true. It's you. Because your rhetorical shield is "me, me, me, I, I, I".
 

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What's wrong with this one?
OK. Just concerned that the longer a particular thread goes on, the more likely it is to splinter off topic. I'm seeing posts about many things NOT what they think regard lessons learned that will help win a campaign. Why did relative novice Trump win with some 97% negative MSM coverage? Why did an incumbent with about 3 times as much money, a ton of celebrity endorsements, very woman-centric focus in an electorate of eligible voters that is some 52% women, 48% men, the MSM giving us about 97% positive coverage to her, lose?
 

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These people think like this is a videogame, where corporations are just gonna sprout whole new vertical production supply chains in rural Nebraska at great expense and years of lag time instead of just increasing prices by 40%

Trying to develop a domestic source of molybdenum-99 for medical use has been in the works for a literal decade and it burns me the fuck up that they're approaching viability just in time for this fuck-up to be able to coincidently claim credit.
 

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OK. Just concerned that the longer a particular thread goes on, the more likely it is to splinter off topic. I'm seeing posts about many things NOT what they think regard lessons learned that will help win a campaign. Why did relative novice Trump win with some 97% negative MSM coverage? Why did an incumbent with about 3 times as much money, a ton of celebrity endorsements, very woman-centric focus in an electorate of eligible voters that is some 52% women, 48% men, the MSM giving us about 97% positive coverage to her, lose?
It's pretty simple, it's because Harris only had 3 months to campaign and the vast majority of people aren't politically active and barely know anything about the candidates. Only about 1/3 of the country is significantly politically engaged.

The media doesn't matter because the majority of people don't watch or read the news anymore, they get information from tiktok, twitter, and reddit, which just serve them up exactly what they want to see. If they weren't looking at political videos on tiktok then they didn't see any. If they only wanted videos about how bad Trump is then that's what they saw, and if they wanted videos about how Democrats are evil then that's also what they saw.

I posted this earlier, but there are some people on election day who weren't even aware Biden had dropped out.

https://www.latintimes.com/did-joe-...nds-presidential-election-trump-harris-564875

Our election coverage is legitimately broken.

Earlier in the thread CriticalGaming posted

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Huh maybe Kamala should have had a policy at some point in the race.
Kamala Harris had way more extensive policy written out than the Trump campaign did, and she talked about policy in interviews way more than Trump did. No one cared or saw it.

Trump's crazy raving gets clicks, Kamala's policy discussions don't. Trump sitting in a dump truck or pretending to work at a McDonalds gets thousands of memes, but there's nothing fun about discussing actual policy so people don't see it.

Trump won because talking about Trump was fun for people, it became a hobby, a part of people's personalities. Liking or hating Trump is a pass time for people. In 2 years people will barely remember that Harris existed, in the same way that I bet most Americans can't name the candidates who lost against Obama and Bush.

Whether you like him or not Trump is an American icon, and you can't topple an icon in 3 months. That's why he won.
 
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Because your rhetorical shield is "me, me, me, I, I, I".
Yeah, terribly sorry again for expressing upset in a time of heightened emotion. So terrible.

Still, it's better than "you, you, you"-- which seems to be all there is now. It's all just denigration, all just shitting and insults. Then you can decry the people you've spent 4 years shitting on for failing to extend a hand!
 

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I really think we need a whole new fresh thread to do a lessons learned. Would it be inappropriate of me to start one?
I'd include videos like this:

I can't watch the video at present, I don't know if this is lessons learned or ironic lack of lessons learned, cause the latter may be more prevalent.
 
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It's pretty simple, it's because Harris only had 3 months to campaign and the vast majority of people aren't politically active and barely know anything about the candidates. Only about 1/3 of the country is significantly politically engaged.

The media doesn't matter because the majority of people don't watch or read the news anymore, they get information from tiktok, twitter, and reddit, which just serve them up exactly what they want to see. If they weren't looking at political videos on tiktok then they didn't see any. If they only wanted videos about how bad Trump is then that's what they saw, and if they wanted videos about how Democrats are evil then that's also what they saw.

I posted this earlier, but there are some people on election day who weren't even aware Biden had dropped out.

https://www.latintimes.com/did-joe-...nds-presidential-election-trump-harris-564875

Our election coverage is legitimately broken.

Earlier in the thread CriticalGaming posted



Kamala Harris had way more extensive policy written out than the Trump campaign did, and she talked about policy in interviews way more than Trump did. No one cared or saw it.

Trump's crazy raving gets clicks, Kamala's policy discussions don't. Trump sitting in a dump truck or pretending to work at a McDonalds gets thousands of memes, but there's nothing fun about discussing actual policy so people don't see it.

Trump won because talking about Trump was fun for people, it became a hobby, a part of people's personalities. Liking or hating Trump is a pass time for people. In 2 years people will barely remember that Harris existed, in the same way that I bet most Americans can't name the candidates who lost against Obama and Bush.

Whether you like him or not Trump is an American icon, and you can't topple an icon in 3 months. That's why he won.

I do try to keep on policies and such, and I still had the dig back pretty decently to remember that McCain was the first one to run against Obama for Presidency. And while I remember Mitt Romney lost against Obama the second time, and it was Al Gore and John Kerry who lost against Bush in his first and re-election respectively, I had to stretch quite a ways to remember Al Gore's name in connection to his run.
 
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I do try to keep on policies and such, and I still had the dig back pretty decently to remember that McCain was the first one to run against Obama for Presidency. And while I remember Mitt Romney lost against Obama the second time, and it was Al Gore and John Kerry who lost against Bush in his first and re-election respectively, I had to stretch quite a ways to remember Al Gore's name in connection to his run.
Legitimately, when I was writing that post I mixed up Kerry and Romney in my head for like a minute and thought that Kerry had run against Obama.
 

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Just concerned that the longer a particular thread goes on, the more likely it is to splinter off topic.
I take that as a fact of life.
Why did relative novice Trump win with some 97% negative MSM coverage?
Trump is an ex-president. That is not being a novice. Why he won? Well, he won in 2016 as well with a mainstream media against him; the lessons from then could probably be applied now as well.
Why did an incumbent with about 3 times as much money, a ton of celebrity endorsements, very woman-centric focus in an electorate of eligible voters that is some 52% women, 48% men, the MSM giving us about 97% positive coverage to her, lose?
Because the media isn't talking with us, it is talking to us. Social media has been a place where a lot of people formed their opinion this round around.
 
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Hey all, last post from me on the subject. With the DJT Media up and stabilizing the week before the election it was clear to me insiders had a beed on the election and so I gradually tuned out. I couldn't tell you how traders knew or at least were incentivised to buy in on the failing stock. None of trade sites offered any clues.

I haven't watched any of the statistics or coverage and I don't care to. My guess is that the DNC just did not put forth clear incentive to minorities, specifically the black and latino voting blocks that feel underserved. Biden also should have dropped out a year ago. People vote emotionally and don't understand the complexities of federal governance.

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My only comment is that it was a big loss for me.

Not ideologically speaking, I have cerebral palsy and am protected under the preexisting conditions clause in the patient bill of rights. Essentially before ACA was passed I was constantly battling with my insurance companies because theyd use my cerebral palsy as an excuse to decline coverage for medications and surgeries. I went to court twice.

The RNC has attempted to repeal ACA many times but were blocked most famously by McCain.

Theyve committed to continue trying to repeal it and with control of the senate and presidency its all but guaranteed. The quiet part is that they don't care about ACA. Its the PBOR protections they are after due to insurance lobbying.

Now I'm basically on a ticking clock waiting for the repeal to happen and wipe out my protections.

I know for most it seems like some ideology war, but Im literally screwed. Scares the hell out of me because I just had hip surgery. Without the PBOR I would have been up shit creek. My literal medical chart states it was an expected degradation due to CP.

I would suggest anyone utilizing the protections under the PBOR to start planning for your medical future without them. My guess is you've got 12-15 months before its repealed and you start receiving adjusted coverage documentation from your insurers.


I wish this election were as simple as the culture war makes it out to be. The truth is the 2024-2026 congress is going to be focused heavily on tearing apart medical/environmental/corporate regulations and consumer protections. Its going to come fast and furious. When the republicans control congress they don't sit on their laurels. They have a laundry list of lobby requests for deregulation. The acts will be much harder to undue once passed.

Anyhoo thats all I had to say. Im out.
 

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Yeah, terribly sorry again for expressing upset in a time of heightened emotion. So terrible.

Still, it's better than "you, you, you"-- which seems to be all there is now. It's all just denigration, all just shitting and insults. Then you can decry the people you've spent 4 years shitting on for failing to extend a hand!
You're not extending a hand, you exist to suck oxygen away from leftist causes. I just wonder why you can't sympathize with people who aren't like you.
 

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Hey all, last post from me on the subject. With the DJT Media up and stabilizing the week before the election it was clear to me insiders had a beed on the election and so I gradually tuned out. I couldn't tell you how traders knew or at least were incentivised to buy in on the failing stock. None of trade sites offered any clues.

I haven't watched any of the statistics or coverage and I don't care to. My guess is that the DNC just did not put forth clear incentive to minorities, specifically the black and latino voting blocks that feel underserved. Biden also should have dropped out a year ago. People vote emotionally and don't understand the complexities of federal governance.

-------

My only comment is that it was a big loss for me.

Not ideologically speaking, I have cerebral palsy and am protected under the preexisting conditions clause in the patient bill of rights. Essentially before ACA was passed I was constantly battling with my insurance companies because theyd use my cerebral palsy as an excuse to decline coverage for medications and surgeries. I went to court twice.

The RNC has attempted to repeal ACA many times but were blocked most famously by McCain.

Theyve committed to continue trying to repeal it and with control of the senate and presidency its all but guaranteed. The quiet part is that they don't care about ACA. Its the PBOR protections they are after due to insurance lobbying.

Now I'm basically on a ticking clock waiting for the repeal to happen and wipe out my protections.

I know for most it seems like some ideology war, but Im literally screwed. Scares the hell out of me because I just had hip surgery. Without the PBOR I would have been up shit creek. My literal medical chart states it was an expected degradation due to CP.

I would suggest anyone utilizing the protections under the PBOR to start planning for your medical future without them. My guess is you've got 12-15 months before its repealed and you start receiving adjusted coverage documentation from your insurers.


I wish this election were as simple as the culture war makes it out to be. The truth is the 2024-2026 congress is going to be focused heavily on tearing apart medical/environmental/corporate regulations and consumer protections. Its going to come fast and furious. When the republicans control congress they don't sit on their laurels. They have a laundry list of lobby requests for deregulation. The acts will be much harder to undue once passed.

Anyhoo thats all I had to say. Im out.
Republicans would like for you to know that as you are not in perfect health you are a net drain on society and should die for the good of the strong, or pay out the ass for the privilege to live.