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Agema

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I mean, first, I said identity, which is a much more specific concept than just words.
It's funny that you should then use Muslims as an example. What do you think Mohammed gave Muslims, if not a powerful new identity?

Second, the people who say words are stronger than swords tend to be the ones using words rather than doing the stabbing. I think there's a little bias in the saying... like Popes have used words over swords for a couple millennia, but not continuously, cause at some point the Muslims showed up with swords and the words weren't cutting it in that moment.
A sword is no stronger than the hand wielding it, and the hand wielding it is dependent on the mind directing it.

What is mass violence - what binds together thousands and thousands to inflict mass violence? Idea and identity. They are bound together by forms of identity. At a small level by bonds of family, friendship, or other social obligation; "We few, we happy few, we band of of brothers" as Shakespeare put it for soldiers. At the much larger level, motivated to action by larger ideas - nation, religion. Even at a smaller level, targetted violence like assassination is not about taking out the opponents' best warriors. It's about taking out those that offer forms of leadership or ideological direction: those who can motivate, inspire.

Undoubtedly there are forms of violence relatively unshackled to idea - but they are much more commonly transient spasms that leave far less lasting effect. Undoubtedly technology means that even people with weak ideas can crush people with stronger. Although I can't help point out that technology is, itself, an idea: the word is still mightier than the sword if it is used to make a machine gun.
 

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In 2028 California will have an independence referendum (not that this automatically leads to independence but it would be a bigg step in that direction).

The stuff Trump currently does will make many more Californians vote for leaving.
 

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Although I can't help point out that technology is, itself, an idea: the word is still mightier than the sword if it is used to make a machine gun.
at this point the analysis is so abstract that it is of little meaning and even less consequence.

word can design better sword, yes.
sword can also control who gets to actually make and use the better sword.
word can command many swords
just one sword can kill speaker

In 2028 California will have an independence referendum (not that this automatically leads to independence but it would be a bigg step in that direction).

The stuff Trump currently does will make many more Californians vote for leaving.
may also make more Californians vote for staying. Whatever the overall effect, for leaving or staying, I'd expect it to polarize opinion.
 

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Well, it was a nice democracy while we had it: Trump is threatening "very heavy force" against any demonstrators during his super-expensive military ego-fluffer parade.


He claims that anyone who protests are "people who hate our country".

(Oh, and let me specifically point out to @tstorm823: We're talking about protestors. Not "rioters"; protestors. Please think of a different way to excuse Trump's fascism.)
 
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I find it amusing that whenever minorities or any opponents of the far right protest, that there is always a hyper focus on any disturbance, and a gleeful mockery at how ''peaceful' everyone says the protests are. ''Oh how peaceful!'' they gloat while posting pictures of violence.

This from the side that to this day still insists their coup attempt was just a completely normal tourist visit. And at the end of the day the coup that wasn't a tourist visit is still worse than even the worst occurrences at any riots.
 
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An actual serious article from The Onion?
There's a certain amount of two-facedness from the California authorities here: after all, they don't want protestors in their streets either. Most politicians don't want the public to be politically active beyond the ballot box.

Whilst there is a genuine point here that Trump is aggravating the situation and escalating at the expense of California, to a large extent I think they're annoyed because he is usurping what they think is their authority.
 
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Dr Drew weighs in on Elon’s recent behavior towards Trump -



Also Dr Phil weighs in on the LA “protests” -