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Tstorm isn't just a bigot towards gay and trans people. He is a bigot towards everyone who isn't exactly like him. Because he, in all his self-importance, sees himself as the norm, the standard, the target everyone should aspire to- and if you don't, if you aren't doing everything you can to be just like him, it's a sign of mental illness or self-delusion... because why else wouldn't you want to?
Sounds like he has a...pride issue, doesn't it?
 

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I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make anymore.
You never knew what point I was trying to make in the first place.
Tstorm isn't just a bigot towards gay and trans people. He is a bigot towards everyone who isn't exactly like him. Because he, in all his self-importance, sees himself as the norm, the standard, the target everyone should aspire to- and if you don't, if you aren't doing everything you can to be just like him, it's a sign of mental illness or self-delusion... because why else wouldn't you want to?
Hey look, you're writing fanfiction about me! It's not very good, strays way too far from the source material, but it's fun to see the effort!
 

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If you are unaware, Rosa Parks was an activist before she was arrested, and remained seated fully aware and intentional in the message being sent. This is not criticism.
Indeed. But it's weird to describe that as shoving down anyone's throat. The commonality is that people wanted to control other people's actions unjustifiably; that's the violation. I do see where you're coming from and the logic, but... nah. Because she did intend to provoke a reaction. But also, if the reaction hadn't come, that would also have been good because it would make progress toward normalizing a new state of affairs.

Worth is an inherently relative term, an objects worth describes it relative to other things, most directly to money. This is especially true if you intend to have celebrations of specifically the characteristics that are different than others.
You're describing exchange-worth. But have you considered that there also exists use-worth? Even in political economy there are relative AND non-relative senses of worth (value). What is something worth to you? It may be $5. Or it may be a good thing in itself, not in comparison to any particular quantity. And the fact that you can put a price on anything does not mean that you or anyone else must do so. Plenty of things are celebrated for their worth without any comparison to anything else. Indeed, putting monetary values on certain things is often considered gauche or even grotesque.
 

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It's alarming how little concern there is from press about the extra judicial killings of Venezuelan fisherman by bombing their boats, it's also worrying that the Nobel peace prize was given to a far right opposition leader in Venezuela who has openly praised those murders while saying how much goodies there are for American corporationa to plunder from Venezuela. We are seeing yet again the brutal ugly process of colonialsm play out in front of us as it's either ignored or outright laundered by mainstream press, able to point out the trump admins many vastly harmful actions elsewhere until the moment his targets become long term foreign policy neocolonial endeavours mostly labeled/disguised as "anti-communism", "counter-revolutionary" for the majority of modern history - but now there is no bother to manufacture consent, not really at all from America, it's kinda just the press and other western governments taking up the slack for them ...it's precisely this process that has made the world as fucked as it is right now, it's why the term "third world" no longer means an international coalition of leftist governments riding on huge public support and positivity, it's why that term only conjoirs destitution and famine, it's why Henry Kissinger is often considered the largest war criminal free of accountability or punishment. It is why we cannot let it continue.

The peace prize has nothing to do with peace. Its goes to anyone who does democracy and/or capitalism identity politics. Usually by doing many undemocratic actions
 
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You never knew what point I was trying to make in the first place.
This has got way more to do with the goal posts moving going on after making the first claim, as well as pretending what you said in your first claim isnt what you actually said.

As for everyone else, Catholics taught Tstorm to hate people. He just following his tribe. He was taught that morality comes from God and unfortunately, he hasnt reaslied God isnt part of Catholic doctrine and they are using hate to control him

Its pretty pointless attacking Tstorm over bigotry. He borrowed it from someone else. It aint his
 
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I'm not great at math but I'm pretty sure 15 isn't "barely legal"
In most of the US that would be almost legal...as in almost, but not quite and you've still done a crime.

Age of consent there is 16.
It's 16 in most states. People often think it's 18 because that's you hear references to it being 18 a lot, and you hear it a lot because it's 18 in both CA and NY, and that's where most of the media comes from.

take sexual advantage of high schoolers
Still illegal, but also we've had reference to girls as young as 13 or so, who would be in middle school.

You know what, I'll contest that image. If Hillary were putting out, Bill wouldn't have had to go to Lewinski or Trump.
I mean, they had a kid, so I assume Hillary was probably putting out at some point in their marriage, and that likely included giving head at least once. Whether or not she was still doing so with any frequency when Trump or Lewinsky took a turn is an entirely different question. "Gave" is past tense which doesn't assert any particular time frame.

America what are you DOING!?
A bunch of us are deeply concerned because a megalomaniacal buffoon who is also a pathological liar won the election, while the minority who actually voted for him are mostly cheering him on, and the vast majority remain as painfully apathetic as ever.

A horse, a horse, my kingdom for a horse.
Trump would get less flack for that than being bottom for a Democrat.
 
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Yes, there are public indecency laws in the world. "We're going to hold a parade so that everyone has to see us making out" is not a normal or accepted thing. There are rare occasions where things like that happen, circling back to Mardi Gras, but you are delusional to imagine that as an average, everyday thing.
Uh-huh, sure. Well, you're seemingly not even bothering with your original charge of "bondage" and explicit sex stuff, so i'm not going to get drawn into your weird prudishness about kissing.

It isn't at odds with the dictionary definition you posted.
" pleasure or satisfaction in one’s actions or qualities or possessions " is describing self-importance.
" a proper sense of what is fitting for one’s position or character " is describing self-importance.
" unduly high opinion of one’s own qualities or merits " is describing self-importance.

It is kind of amazing to me that you can read those things and think "that's just comfort in one's identity", when it's talking about pleasure derived from owning things or doing things, or acting in a way deemed fitting for a social position (like royalty), or just explicitly saying having an unduly high opinion of oneself.
Mental gymnastics.

To interpret "proper sense of what's fitting one's position or character" as considering oneself "like royalty" is just such an insane stretch to force a completely innocuous, quite modest definition to fit some bizarre hyperboly.
 
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This has got way more to do with the goal posts moving going on after making the first claim, as well as pretending what you said in your first claim isnt what you actually said.
I didn't even start this pride argument, Agema did.
As for everyone else, Catholics taught Tstorm to hate people. He just following his tribe. He was taught that morality comes from God and unfortunately, he hasnt reaslied God isnt part of Catholic doctrine and they are using hate to control him
What drugs are you taking?
 

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The peace prize has nothing to do with peace. Its goes to anyone who does democracy and/or capitalism identity politics. Usually by doing many undemocratic actions
They gave the peace prize to that Venezualan woman because there's no way they should give it to Trump, but I think they did want to throw some sort of bone to the rising forces of the further right he represents.
 
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Uh-huh, sure. Well, you're seemingly not even bothering with your original charge of "bondage" and explicit sex stuff, so i'm not going to get drawn into your weird prudishness about kissing.
To clarify the chain of events here:
I mentioned people in bondage gear.
You dismissed their presence as fringe.
I said the original idea was for people to public display their sexual habits.
You then decided I said it was made for bondage, a claim I did not make.

The idea here is that people showing up in bondage, challenging those who would look down on them for it, are more in line with the origins of Pride than those who see it as a sort of rainbow colored friendship party.

Mental gymnastics.

To interpret "proper sense of what's fitting one's position or character" as considering oneself "like royalty" is just such an insane stretch to force a completely innocuous, quite modest definition to fit some bizarre hyperboly.
What position do you imagine being described then? Obviously royalty is a singular example, but do you think that isn't describing elevated social positions? Do you think that definition is saying that a proper sense of what is befitting the position of peasant qualifies as pride?
Yes, because I thought you'd make a total mess of yourself. And boy oh boy did you duly oblige.
Every single one of you knows that I don't hate anyone I'm talking to or about. Every person claiming that is just flailing about, cause they have no real dispute, and need some justification to dismiss me. You unintentionally instigated a bunch of other users to just pants themselves.
 

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To clarify the chain of events here:
I mentioned people in bondage gear.
You dismissed their presence as fringe.
I said the original idea was for people to public display their sexual habits.
You then decided I said it was made for bondage, a claim I did not make.
I did not say you said that. You brought up bondage gear as if it characterised what Pride is about; I explained that was a small minority and a newer thing. You then claimed it was always about sex. I asked you to substantiate that, and you categorically failed, talking instead about stuff like kissing and wearing flamboyant clothes.

What position do you imagine being described then? Obviously royalty is a singular example, but do you think that isn't describing elevated social positions? Do you think that definition is saying that a proper sense of what is befitting the position of peasant qualifies as pride?
Of course it isn't just talking about "elevated social positions". There's plenty of writing about the pride of the working class, the pride of a family man etc, poor or not.

Sorry: that definition doesn't chime with what you said at all. You're now imposing extra information onto it that simply isn't there.
 

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Do you think that definition is saying that a proper sense of what is befitting the position of peasant qualifies as pride?
The elements of hard work and practicality and actually doing useful things that keep society fed as compared to the tosh and gaudy nonsense of the nobility come to mind.
 

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It's important for fascists to silence journalists who ask embarrassing questions, especially in front of their fascists buddies who like to murder journalists.


"You start off with a man who is highly respected asking him a horrible, insubordinate and just a terrible question."
I wasn't aware that American journalists are subordinate to Saudi princes.
 

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You then claimed it was always about sex. I asked you to substantiate that...
You can't really believe a celebration of sexuality isn't about sex...
Of course it isn't just talking about "elevated social positions". There's plenty of writing about the pride of the working class, the pride of a family man etc, poor or not.
Those are both elevated social positions.