Not really. Joe Rogan endorsing Trump even after the coup and even after project 2025 became public info is simply an objective fact. Joe Rogan had years worth of reasons not to support him
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Supporting a candidate that over 50% of the country voted for it is not abusing your platform...
Project 2025 has been public knowledge since like the 80s dude...
It is if said candidate is a far right freak with years of misrule, scandals and a coup under his belt.
Rogan is not the town drunk. His platform and reach comes with responsibilities. If he abuses that to shill for the far right then he’s simply a rat.
Trump is not far right... Years of misrule and scandals, you can literally say that for any president... No one was even charged and convicted of a coup and the democrats had power after the "coup", surely they would've went after the traitors.
You can say the the same for the left wing news channels and podcasters/youtubers. You're just advocating for censorship against things you don't like. Why aren't you saying the same for anyone that endorsed Mamdani? Because if he actually does what he says and ran on, people will be far more worse off than if say Trump was major of NYC. You don't really care about people, you care about ideology. Also, Rogan has no responsibilities, he's not a news channel, people listen to him because they like his show, he can say what he wants and people can stop listening if they don't like what he says. That's how free speech works...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! You are lying and coward to the very end.
A revolution is brewing.
Because….why would I or why would anyone for that matter? Is he a far right freak? Does he want to Orbanize his country? Is he likely to send brown shirts on the population and troops against Europe? Why would anyone treat a left wing politician as if they were the far right? That be weird.
No. You literally can’t. Not on this scale. Not with this much open malice. Everyone who tries to whitewash Trump as just your normal president is a liar or a moron.
Anyone with any power or any reach has a responsibility not to abuse it in favor of the far right. If they do abuse it they’re rats who knowingly try to do their nation and the wider world harm out of either malice or oppertunism. And it should never be forgotten if they did it.
The far right is not, has never been and will never be a legitimate force in politics.
If any politician runs on implementing policies that would make things worse for people, how is endorsing that person a good thing? Why don't you criticize any bad left wing policies? I don't care if policies are left or right policies, I care if they make things better or worse.
What did Trump do that was so horrible in his 1st term? Obama literally did worse.
People on platforms that are far left do the same thing and you don't criticize them. If someone has their own platform, they can do whatever they want, they don't have any responsibility. The left news, that actually does have responsibility, just lied about the EPA today and you haven't said a word about it.
For the most part your problem is that you're making comparisons between things that can't be compared. The far right inherently can not be compared to other political streams. In principle you indeed shouldn't care if policies are left and right but ''if they'll make things better or worse''. The problem in your case is that far right policies that make things better don't exist. That's the entire point of that political stream, to take away rights and prosperity from the public and increase that of the upper class while giving you brown people as scapegoats to distract you from this.
Also you confuse politics that might theoretically not be effective with politics that's designed to do you harm. I agree on practically no points with Christian democrats but they are not out to get me. They simply have silly beliefs. Same with Mamdani. He's not offering free busses to do you harm, but because he think its a good policy.
How different that is with the far right. No, they don't think that taking away your democracy and your healthcare is secretly to your benefit. They know it isn't. They know that emulating the Russian system rather than the European won't have any benefit for the population and that's the point. The far right wants complete power for the upper class to loot the country and do harm to anyone who notices it too loudly.
We're beyond the point of it being just about thinking politics are effective or not when one political stream only has policies designed to do harm. To their own countries, to their out groups and to the wider world at large.
Take Greenland. The very point of that is to do harm. Harm to the citizens of Greenland who will be forced to lose their European security and live under the barbaric US system. And harm to the wider world by popularizing a might makes right world where international law and preferably human rights don't get to exist. A world where things like Putin's war in Ukraine isn't barbaric but just the norm.
And wonder exactly why the far right wants to emulate Russia so badly despite it being a hellhole. Why would such a hellhole appeal to them, and what would it mean for you if they can transform America into such a hellhole. Why is the far right only ever interested in moving their country away from democracy, human rights and security for the citizens?
The fuck is he then? Angela Merkel was moderate right. David Cameron was moderate right. Mitt Romney was moderate right. Where does Trump stand in comparison to them?
OK, if you did, I didn't see that. Then I take back what I said about not wanting him to face repercussions.
The broader point remains, that you're willing to give enormous benefit of the doubt here, whereas for others-- those in custody, or targeted by state actors-- you routinely assume the worst, up to and including the assumption of criminal guilt that has never been legally established.
Both parties are for making the rich more prosperous.
If right policies don't make things better then why have Houston rent prices gone done and New York City rent prices gone up? Or why don't you look at what happened to rent in Minneapolis and St Paul; one city did left policies and one city did right policies and the city that did right policies made housing more affordable. Housing, if you didn't know, is pretty fucking important to people.
Mamdani's policies would be very harmful to the people that need the most help.
Trump literally hired people that are for actually fixing the medical system. When did the democrats do that? The republicans ran a candidate that the public actually voted for to run for president, the democrats didn't. The democrats removed people from ballots, the republicans didn't.
The only way the US will "get" Greenland is if Greenland wants that.
Just because Trump is more right than some other republican doesn't make him far right. The US would not vote for either someone far right or far left. Mamdani is further left than Trump is right.
What makes Trump Far Right is his use of Nazi slogans or policies, either by himself or by his staff
factually incorrect
Mamdani isn't doing anything centre left or right people would do around the world. Comparing Mamdani is utterly useless as the US political compass is so broken
We do. You just don't pretend we are wrong when we say certain left-wing policies are bad. Nobody here is pro-Dem, and are, at best, picking them due as they are the lesser of two evil
You have a political bias that blinds you to what we say. You go out of your way to take one sentence out of someone's argument, twist it and pretend like it's their whole identity.
In effect, it's the same problem that you have when you discuss Offit or Fauci. It's why your arguments fall apart as soon as someone looks at them
This is emblematic of most of the citizenry of the US last year. Biden did not do a great job, and things felt worse. They could then pretend that Trump did a good job in his first term (and he did much better than what he is doing now) as it was so far away
It was recency bias. And a lack of imagination that things could get worse.
Trump has been saying for a decade that he wanted to do what ICE has been doing for a year. It should not shock anyone that he is doing it. But here we are. Too many people in the US have their heads up their own asses that they cannot tell which shirt is brown anymore
I'd actually have to hear him talk about his views as the stuff you get from say Wikipedia about him or others is very skewed and exaggerated, they purposefully don't use right news outlets as valid sources but will use left news outlets as valid sources.
Hell, just right here that you'll find on Google literally just searching his name and nothing else is this Reddit thread with a quote in the comments that is not anything Stephen Miller said (it's the top comment and appears on the Google search result page before you even click on it).
I quote like a paragraph of what Offit said and don't clip out parts or change anything. You say the left wanted significant actions to be taken for covid and the right was against that. No, both sides underplayed covid, Fauci on February 29th, 2020 said to NYC that people can live their lives normally and not change anything. Rachel Maddow in March of 2020 said just to do stuff that you do for the flu.
All Paul Offit (no edits or anything):
Yeah, I would wish we could go back in time. And when those data were presented, we could have said this protection against mild disease is not going to last given the nature of this infection. And given the way these trials were done, that’s not going to last. And we did the opposite. I think what happened was six months later when say there was an outbreak in Provincetown, Massachusetts, thousands of men get together, celebrate the July 4th holiday, there’s about 79% or 80% were vaccinated. But nonetheless, there’s an outbreak. And of the 346 men who got sick, four were hospitalized, a hospitalization of one point rate of 1.2%, that’s a win. That’s great. But the other 342 men had mild or asymptomatic infection, which the CDC unfortunately labeled as breakthrough illnesses and that was a mistake. Breakthrough implies failure, that wasn’t a failure. That was a moment actually to celebrate the vaccine, to celebrate how amazing it was working here with this outbreak in this basically close space or close together community in Provincetown, and we didn’t do that, we did the opposite of that, the opposite. And so the term breakthrough was born, and I remember just a few days after that was reported, Brett Kavanaugh, Supreme Court Justice gets an asymptomatic infection. If you watch the way that was carried on national television, you would’ve thought he was in the intensive care unit. So we didn’t communicate that well.