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How do people still believe that? No. They don't.

I like how he disparages tankies and then the tankies are just correct.
I like how both of you can watch an amateur video that tells you that this thing absolutely exists and can be wielded by the CCP to persecute people they don't like, but isn't quite what the western world has imagined it to be (except for the one province one time, where is was exactly that, and then he shows you documents of it), and your interpretation is "it doesn't exist" and "tankies are right about everything."

You guys are wild.
 

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Trump would know, eminently experienced in running a successful education business as it is.

Correct. What would people even do with that money anyway? Buy food? Pay rent? No, better it goes to the deserving.
 
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Trump would know, eminently experienced in running a successful education business as it is.
I read the whole article and still have no clue what this is about.

But anyway, some issue with college sports certainly won't kill the whole educational system.
 
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So what do Trump fans think of Bush now? Essentially the only ambiguity about whether Trump was worse than Bush was on account of Bush starting an extremely dubious war in the Middle East. Now Trump does that with even less cause than Bush, and not even with an attempted of having a justification about it.

Can they admit Trump is worse than Bush now?
 
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Correct. What would people even do with that money anyway? Buy food? Pay rent? No, better it goes to the deserving.
Promises made, promises JUST SHUT UP AND PRAISE EMPEROR TRUMP, THE DOW IS OVER 50,000 47,000!
 
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Can they admit Trump is worse than Bush now?
If the US is still committed to a war in Iran at the end of his term, I would absolutely accept that assessment on this point.

There are other ways that Bush and better or worse than Trump, this is not, as you say, the only ambiguity.
 

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I like how both of you can watch an amateur video that tells you that this thing absolutely exists and can be wielded by the CCP to persecute people they don't like, but isn't quite what the western world has imagined it to be (except for the one province one time, where is was exactly that, and then he shows you documents of it), and your interpretation is "it doesn't exist" and "tankies are right about everything."

You guys are wild.
alarmist, and frankly also orientalist nonsense.
 

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If the US is still committed to a war in Iran at the end of his term, I would absolutely accept that assessment on this point.

There are other ways that Bush and better or worse than Trump, this is not, as you say, the only ambiguity.
Can't really recall such ways. Bush didn't have the extreme corruption or treasonous behavior during elections nor a pandemic to go bungle. In fact it can even be said that Bush went well above what was expected with him with AIDS.

Economy could be a point in Trump's favor, but not one large enough to make up for the corruption, the stoking of civic divisions and the dereliction of duty during the pandemic. That and Trump seems tear at the economy whenever he's allowed to endulge in his whims for too long. Not bothering to get off his ass during covid was costly, as is this useless war.
 

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Bush didn't have the extreme corruption or treasonous behavior during elections nor a pandemic to go bungle.
You say that now, but lefties said literally the same things about Bush. If you ask people 20 years ago, lots of them thought Bush stole both elections and was working towards installing himself as a fascist dictator....
Economy could be a point in Trump's favor, but not one large enough to make up for the corruption, the stoking of civic divisions and the dereliction of duty during the pandemic.
History is not going to blame Donald Trump for the pandemic. The moment he's not longer eligible for office, lots of things are going to suddenly be forgiven, and that's probably the biggest one.

But yeah, Trump's policies have been better on taxes and immigration.
 

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You say that now, but lefties said literally the same things about Bush. If you ask people 20 years ago, lots of them thought Bush stole both elections and was working towards installing himself as a fascist dictator....
They were half right.
 

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Noem testified twice under oath that Trump knew about the $220m border ad campaign (a big chunk of which was paid to a friend of hers, and featuring her horseback riding at Mt Rushmore).

Trump says he never heard anything about it.

So, Noem committing perjury? Or just Trump lying?
There's a possible scenario where both are telling the truth. Noem sent Trump an email about it. Trump doesn't know how to access his own email and never read it. Or Noem told someone to tell Trump and the message never got delivered or Trump just wasn't listening when told because he's sun-downing.
 

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Approval Ratings of Trump get even lower and he's sent ground troops in Iran for the oil.

 
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There is a plain in Iran right next to Kuwait and southern Iraq which I believe is where it would load oil into tankers for export. That part and Khark Island are much easier for ground troops to get at than the rest of Iran, which either is within or behind a bunch of mountains. Maybe the US can take and hold those parts, in which case Iran will stop sending oil there from the rest of the country. Getting through the mountains, so long as Iran remains a determined foe, is much more difficult.
 

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"...harmless country called Iran, who will always be a grateful ally."

Oh man, that aged well! Speaking of which, I'd love to hear what Ollie has to say about the current situation
 
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History is not going to blame Donald Trump for the pandemic. The moment he's not longer eligible for office, lots of things are going to suddenly be forgiven, and that's probably the biggest one.
Of course Trump wouldn't be blamed for the pandemic. Just for him refusing to treat it seriously and picking pointless fights with his health agencies because keeping his demagogic credentials was more important than his job. Also things were already forgiven when he was allowed to run for office. Having told the nation he'd be less then useless during a crisis, and Jan 6 weren't reason for the electorate to completely reject him. For some reason.

You say that now, but lefties said literally the same things about Bush. If you ask people 20 years ago, lots of them thought Bush stole both elections and was working towards installing himself as a fascist dictator....
Even if we take the worst of the worst assumption the left had under Bush as true, then the supreme court's actions would still have been lawful than having the capitol stormed to force himself into an office he hadn't won the mandate for.
 
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