US Intelligence Body Reveals Cyborg-Infested Vision of Year 2030

[Loethlin]

So, mandroids, then?
I can't wait to actually live it!
Could they try researching FTL travel now?

 

[Strazdas]

Yes, yes, yes, i love it.
I want this as fast as possible, i wont be able to wait for 18 years, you must make it faster. perfection here we come.

 

[Zombie_Moogle]

You know it's just going to turn out to be a glorified phone the way we treat technology. Along with augmented reality that could not only pop up advertizement wherever we walk, but in our sleep.

I honestly don't see the common folk getting their hands on this technology, especially with the collapsing economy.

Maybe, but it wasn't long ago that the same was said of cell phones themselves

I do share your fear of ever-present advertising through augmented reality though. I'm sure they'll make pop-up blockers just like they do now, but still. Let's hope the driverless car makes it big before AR pop-ups become an issue on the road

Prostheses are one thing ( I have no problem with fixing something that is broken).

But functionally improving your body by artificial means just seems incredibly wrong in a way that can't not negatively impact other people.

Early humans started wearing animal skins so we could live in colder environments. Is that wrong?
We make tools to do what we aren't strong enough to do. We make vehicles so we can move faster than any human can. I'm posting on the internet right now, communicating on a scale impossible without a computer.

Improving our bodies is nothing new. Transhumanism is just the next logical step

 

[M K Ultra]

Transhumanism is just the next logical step

I am specifically saving money for cybernetic enhancements if/when they become available in the future. Hell if the tech becomes available to replace entire organic systems I'd be down for that. I love the idea of whittling the meat away until I become just brain in a jar or my consciousness resides in the cloud.

 

[Zombie_Moogle]

Transhumanism is just the next logical step

I am specifically saving money for cybernetic enhancements if/when they become available in the future. Hell if the tech becomes available to replace entire organic systems I'd be down for that. I love the idea of whittling the meat away until I become just brain in a jar or my consciousness resides in the cloud.

Always good to meet another person who's excited for the Singularity

 

[PoolCleaningRobot]

Just putting it out there... I might have to start a religious movement to kill any person who chooses cybernetic enhancement for the hell of it. Prostheses are one thing ( I have no problem with fixing something that is broken).

But functionally improving your body by artificial means just seems incredibly wrong in a way that can't not negatively impact other people.

I think Yahtzee phrased that as "you want everyone else to be shit like you"

 

[Genocidicles]

Sweet. Assuming I can afford it I know I'll be kitting myself out with sweet robotic parts.

Might want to start saving for that actually... and if it doesn't come to pass or they pass a law to stop it because of religious whackos then I'll have a tidy sum to blow on booze and hookers.

 

[Dimitriov]

Just putting it out there... I might have to start a religious movement to kill any person who chooses cybernetic enhancement for the hell of it. Prostheses are one thing ( I have no problem with fixing something that is broken).

But functionally improving your body by artificial means just seems incredibly wrong in a way that can't not negatively impact other people.

I think Yahtzee phrased that as "you want everyone else to be shit like you"

An understandable misinterpretation (I wasn't very clear after all), but not actually true.

Ideally I would love for people to obtain Dragon ball Z levels of absurd physicality and the cognitive abilities of a mentat from Dune. Just without the crutch of technology.

I don't think anyone would claim that THEY themselves can actually travel at 200 mph just because a car can. And the same is equally true of anything accomplished with bionic replacements. Only even more so.

Because an artificial lung, or robotic legs, or data retrieval circuitry in your brain (or even extra processing power), or better eyes... are no more a part of a person than a car is, or a hammer. These implants, however, would of course FEEL as if they were part of you.

And because of that it seems like no stretch of the imagination to assume that people would come to completely rely on them and not bother to ever improve themselves or grow in anyway. Until eventually the human species would simply be the least effective component of otherwise marvelous machines... which I would consider an incredibly sad and ignominious end to all of our accomplishments. Better by far to simply destroy ourselves outright than render ourselves obsolete.

These may seem like extreme and unlikely scenarios to you, but I can genuinely see the possible danger of such a future occurring. Hence my strong feelings.

 

[Idlemessiah]

I would say that I'd be one of the first people to jump on cybernetic enhancements, but that would be highly contradictory since I still refuse to even have laser eye surgery until somebody tells be it still works after another 20 years.

 

[PoolCleaningRobot]

Just putting it out there... I might have to start a religious movement to kill any person who chooses cybernetic enhancement for the hell of it. Prostheses are one thing ( I have no problem with fixing something that is broken).

But functionally improving your body by artificial means just seems incredibly wrong in a way that can't not negatively impact other people.

I think Yahtzee phrased that as "you want everyone else to be shit like you"

An understandable misinterpretation (I wasn't very clear after all), but not actually true.

Ideally I would love for people to obtain Dragon ball Z levels of absurd physicality and the cognitive abilities of a mentat from Dune. Just without the crutch of technology.

I don't think anyone would claim that THEY themselves can actually travel at 200 mph just because a car can. And the same is equally true of anything accomplished with bionic replacements. Only even more so.

Because an artificial lung, or robotic legs, or data retrieval circuitry in your brain (or even extra processing power), or better eyes... are no more a part of a person than a car is, or a hammer. These implants, however, would of course FEEL as if they were part of you.

And because of that it seems like no stretch of the imagination to assume that people would come to completely rely on them and not bother to ever improve themselves or grow in anyway. Until eventually the human species would simply be the least effective component of otherwise marvelous machines... which I would consider an incredibly sad and ignominious end to all of our accomplishments. Better by far to simply destroy ourselves outright than render ourselves obsolete.

These may seem like extreme and unlikely scenarios to you, but I can genuinely see the possible danger of such a future occurring. Hence my strong feelings.

You suddenly raised an extremely interesting point by comparing these things to cars and other stuff we use as not being a part of us. It made me reflect on the importance of tools to the human race and how they're really the only thing we have going for us. When you think about, a tool is just an extension of the mind that a human was able to make real. Men don't have sharp claws so they envisioned spears and made them real. Tools are part of ourselves that can be just as personal as our arms legs when you think about it. Even if we replaced all the parts of our bodies the human thing that really matters is the mind and our imagination to create more.


..... Buuuuuut.... Even with all that said your argument's kinda invalid anyway. Cybernetic enhancements like this wouldn't be normal things like a car. They would be replacing something we already have like an arm or an eye and you'd be integrating it into your body so it would definitely become a part of yourself.

TL;DR Just play Deus Ex: Human Revolution

 

[SpectacularWebHead]

Alright, Deus Ex Human Revolution without all the yellow, woo.

 

[Gordon Freemonty]

I'm already a cyborg.

I'm attached to an insulin pump right now.

Jealous much? Of my cybernetics, rather than my type 1 diabetes..

 

[Dimitriov]

Snip

You suddenly raised an extremely interesting point by comparing these things to cars and other stuff we use as not being a part of us. It made me reflect on the importance of tools to the human race and how they're really the only thing we have going for us. When you think about, a tool is just an extension of the mind that a human was able to make real. Men don't have sharp claws so they envisioned spears and made them real. Tools are part of ourselves that can be just as personal as our arms legs when you think about it. Even if we replaced all the parts of our bodies the human thing that really matters is the mind and our imagination to create more.


..... Buuuuuut.... Even with all that said your argument's kinda invalid anyway. Cybernetic enhancements like this wouldn't be normal things like a car. They would be replacing something we already have like an arm or an eye and you'd be integrating it into your body so it would definitely become a part of yourself.

TL;DR Just play Deus Ex: Human Revolution

Tools are hardly the only thing the human race has going for it. Human are not the fastest, strongest, or largest animal it's true. But we are arguably one of the, if not the, most adaptable and widely skilled species.

And tools are only really an inherent part of a person insofar as that person can make them him or herself. If you were alone by yourself in the world you would of course be able to create tools to help yourself survive - you wouldn't be able to make yourself a new arm or leg. And yes, if you're wondering, I do think it's pathetic how reliant most people are on the entirety of civilization for their survival.

And just because it's integrated into your body does NOT make it a part of yourself. That's simply absurd. Frankly I find the idea of replacing something in your body that functions perfectly well with some alien thing to be both sad and sickening. It represents the height of laziness - you want to run faster or jump higher? Well forget exercising and working at it. Why not just get a new limb built for you?

It seems to come from the frankly pants-on-head-retarded idea that has developed in western culture: that is that the mind is somehow a separate thing from your body. No your "mind" is the workings of your brain, which is the large, physical, centre of your nervous system - and is designed specifically to operate and work in conjunction with the rest of your body. The entirety of their physicality is who a person is.

If someone loses their arm or leg then that certainly doesn't make them less human - but it undeniably means there is less of them. Therefore, your body is who and what you are.

And you seem to have ignored the important part I made about the human components being the least important part of a cyborg. Taken to it's theoretical, and admittedly currently fictitious, extreme, a cyborg would just be an incredible robot with some useless organic bits tacked on and effectively holding it back. I cannot imagine how anyone could view such a fate as being worse than a living hell.

If this really is the future then I hope our species dies right now...

However, I don't believe this is the future, and I will continue to hope that our species will continue to grow and improve itself, rather than render itself obsolete.

 

[Arakasi]

Good ol' cybernetics.
Even if Dimitrov may disagree, without providing any real points, cybernetics would be an infinitely good thing in my eyes.
Assuming they get it right.

We may no longer have to worry about deteriorating bodies, fragile limbs, pointless exercising and truely get to focus on the things that matter in life: Happiness and knowledge.

 

[Sonicron]

Well, that should still be well within my normal life span. Time to make a list of augmentations and prepare the founding of the Mechanicum.

 

[PoolCleaningRobot]

Snip

You suddenly raised an extremely interesting point by comparing these things to cars and other stuff we use as not being a part of us. It made me reflect on the importance of tools to the human race and how they're really the only thing we have going for us. When you think about, a tool is just an extension of the mind that a human was able to make real. Men don't have sharp claws so they envisioned spears and made them real. Tools are part of ourselves that can be just as personal as our arms legs when you think about it. Even if we replaced all the parts of our bodies the human thing that really matters is the mind and our imagination to create more.


..... Buuuuuut.... Even with all that said your argument's kinda invalid anyway. Cybernetic enhancements like this wouldn't be normal things like a car. They would be replacing something we already have like an arm or an eye and you'd be integrating it into your body so it would definitely become a part of yourself.

TL;DR Just play Deus Ex: Human Revolution

Tools are hardly the only thing the human race has going for it. Human are not the fastest, strongest, or largest animal it's true. But we are arguably one of the, if not the, most adaptable and widely skilled species.

And tools are only really an inherent part of a person insofar as that person can make them him or herself. If you were alone by yourself in the world you would of course be able to create tools to help yourself survive - you wouldn't be able to make yourself a new arm or leg. And yes, if you're wondering, I do think it's pathetic how reliant most people are on the entirety of civilization for their survival.

And just because it's integrated into your body does NOT make it a part of yourself. That's simply absurd. Frankly I find the idea of replacing something in your body that functions perfectly well with some alien thing to be both sad and sickening. It represents the height of laziness - you want to run faster or jump higher? Well forget exercising and working at it. Why not just get a new limb built for you?

It seems to come from the frankly pants-on-head-retarded idea that has developed in western culture: that is that the mind is somehow a separate thing from your body. No your "mind" is the workings of your brain, which is the large, physical, centre of your nervous system - and is designed specifically to operate and work in conjunction with the rest of your body. The entirety of their physicality is who a person is.

If someone loses their arm or leg then that certainly doesn't make them less human - but it undeniably means there is less of them. Therefore, your body is who and what you are.

And you seem to have ignored the important part I made about the human components being the least important part of a cyborg. Taken to it's theoretical, and admittedly currently fictitious, extreme, a cyborg would just be an incredible robot with some useless organic bits tacked on and effectively holding it back. I cannot imagine how anyone could view such a fate as being worse than a living hell.

If this really is the future then I hope our species dies right now...

However, I don't believe this is the future, and I will continue to hope that our species will continue to grow and improve itself, rather than render itself obsolete.

Uhhhhhhhh.... I think you're completely wrong about everything ever. Whoa that's kinda hard to say.

"Tools are hardly the only thing the human race has going for it" is that a joke? Go out into the woods and fight a tiger with your bare hands and tell me how that goes. And your missing my point. The (obvious) thing humans have going for them is their minds but what good is that if you can't do shit with it? All you can do with your brain is make things that make other things easier and then spreading that knowledge to others. And even though I didn't invent something like say the Internet, I'm fully capable of using it to better myself. And what's wrong with the idea of the mind and body being separate? When you see someone like Steven Hawking who can barely move his fingers do you judge him by his body or his mind? His brain is clearly not working and functioning with the rest of his body even though it was specifically made for him. He's basically replaced his body with his electric because it can't do shit for him. And the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" attitude is truly pants-on-head retarded. Why did they invent telephones and computers anyway? Were carrier pidgins not good enough?

I don't know what the future holds either and I like the arms and legs I got so don't I'll jump at the chance to replace them anytime soon. And I for one love civilization and I'm don't feel its pathetic to say that I rely on it since humans can only really progress and achieve more as a group

 

[Dimitriov]

Uhhhhhhhh.... I think you're completely wrong about everything ever. Whoa that's kinda hard to say.

"Tools are hardly the only thing the human race has going for it" is that a joke? Go out into the woods and fight a tiger with your bare hands and tell me how that goes. And your missing my point. The (obvious) thing humans have going for them is their minds but what good is that if you can't do shit with it? All you can do with your brain is make things that make other things easier and then spreading that knowledge to others. And even though I didn't invent something like say the Internet, I'm fully capable of using it to better myself. And what's wrong with the idea of the mind and body being separate? When you see someone like Steven Hawking who can barely move his fingers do you judge him by his body or his mind? His brain is clearly not working and functioning with the rest of his body even though it was specifically made for him. He's basically replaced his body with his electric because it can't do shit for him. And the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" attitude is truly pants-on-head retarded. Why did they invent telephones and computers anyway? Were carrier pidgins not good enough?

I don't know what the future holds either and I like the arms and legs I got so don't I'll jump at the chance to replace them anytime soon. And I for one love civilization and I'm don't feel its pathetic to say that I rely on it since humans can only really progress and achieve more as a group

And I in turn think you are completely wrong about everything ever. So we'll just have to leave it at that.

Though I will just add that tigers are hardly the only other animal in existence. Are you suggesting that no creature is capable of survival or anything else if it can't fight a tiger? Of course you aren't, so I really don't see what that has to do with anything.