US Justice Department report discloses "thousands" of minors abused in detention centers. [POLITICS]

[Thaluikhain]

Where I grew up we have the draft so I have no sympathy for people in this particular situation. If it's your country and your culture and you love it you should be willing to die to protect it. You owe it at least this much.

If people are fleeing their country en masse, they probably don't love their country, and dying for it likely isn't going to help.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

There's various issues being raised here but at least with Syria I think people should be conscripted to the military and help protect their country rather than hang out in Turkey for 5 years. Maybe if they had they'd have taken back their homes and have created an economy with jobs and whatnot by now.

Compulsory military service? With the accompanying huge loss of life, breaking up families, and the terrible economic impact of taking working-age men out of all the other industries?

I can think of few things which would have a worse impact.

Where I grew up we have the draft so I have no sympathy for people in this particular situation. If it's your country and your culture and you love it you should be willing to die to protect it. You owe it at least this much.

I definitely don't think American or Russian soldiers need to risk their lives if the people there won't do the bare minimum of standing side by side with them.

You do realize that the same government who was killing it's own people is still in charge right? Do you even know what was actually happening there? US and Russia were not supporting the same side... Russia was making sure the government that was attacking it's people retained control, the US was backing the people against their own government. Terrorists took advantage of an already volatile situation due to the civil war that was already in progress. The people fled for a reason, and many of which could be killed by that government if they returned, they certainly are not going to help the government that was killing them continue to kill their family and friends. I have no idea why you or anyone else for that matter would think compulsory service in Syria would even be a "thing" at this point considering the actual situation there.

Where I grew up we have the draft so I have no sympathy for people in this particular situation. If it's your country and your culture and you love it you should be willing to die to protect it. You owe it at least this much.

If people are fleeing their country en masse, they probably don't love their country, and dying for it likely isn't going to help.

Considering many of the people who fled are more likely to choose to die fighting against their own government than for it, forcing them into the battle would just ensure a bigger bloodbath than they already have at this point.

 

[Silvanus]

Where I grew up we have the draft so I have no sympathy for people in this particular situation.

Really? And where you grew up, the draft means definite active combat duty and an extremely high mortality rate, does it?

If it's your country and your culture and you love it you should be willing to die to protect it. You owe it at least this much.

Whoa-- the sacrifice of one's life, and the bereavement of their family, is the least one can give?

To be perfectly frank, I don't think you're appreciating the severity of what you're suggesting, or the destruction and destitution of conscription. This is an attempt to blame the citizenry of a country in crisis for its current situation, so as to absolve those abroad with wealth and means-- who have the power to help-- from feeling guilty.

I definitely don't think American or Russian soldiers need to risk their lives if the people there won't do the bare minimum of standing side by side with them.

Here's a crazy idea-- maybe the solution isn't a matter of throwing more military might at the problem.

 

[Baffle]

Where I grew up we have the draft so I have no sympathy for people in this particular situation. If it's your country and your culture and you love it you should be willing to die to protect it. You owe it at least this much.

How did your time in the army go?

 

[MrCalavera_v1legacy]

Also ironic is Trump identified more as a liberal himself prior to running, even rubbing shoulders with Billary just a few short years prior. Maybe he should ran against Hilary in the primaries and everything would been fine.

This statement in and of itself is funny, considering the Clintons and their neoliberal ilk, of whom Trump indeed was part, are the ones who kick-started this entire fucking mess by passing NAFTA in the first place.

I was being facetious but yeah.

 

[MrCalavera_v1legacy]

This report is over four years (2014-2018) so it's not just Trump doing this. You wanna mention that right up cause if you don't people will treat it as you trying to shield Obama from his hand in these child sexual assaults. I myself genuinely thought it was a recent phenomenon that occurred only since the child separation policy of Trump's begun.

It's almost like the United States is and has been an imperialist, carceral state independent of whether the President is Trump or some other Republican or, indeed, Democrat. It's almost like focusing on individual personalities misses the entire goddamned point.

Trump basically put a personality that's easy to badmouth next to these reprehensible policies so suddenly everyone who was fine with them in 2014 is aghast now. If that's what it takes for these policies to be considered as badly as they deserve to be and to be changed I guess that's a silver lining his victory. Though it doesn't bode well for our future cause anything a nonTrump president does next will be compared to this and excused despite still being terrible, if only marginally less so.

Focusing on personalities is what allows people to get away with these republican-esque policies and still be considered democrats, cause if you're not against abortions and don't hate tan/gay people you're instantly good for the working poor, apparently.

Not to mention he?s been telling everyone there?s a border crisis for months now while being told by lib media it?s all bs. [https://thefederalist.com/2019/07/03/x-times-the-media-said-there-was-no-crisis-at-the-southern-border/]

Also ironic is Trump identified more as a liberal himself prior to running, even rubbing shoulders with Billary just a few short years prior. Maybe he should ran against Hilary in the primaries and everything would been fine.

I don't think the crisis were all talking about (child rape concentration camps) is the same crisis the republicans are harping about (a mass of zomb-..mexicans ready to kill and rape all good white americans)

It would seem that one crisis/mismanaged situation led to another, as is typically the case throughout history. This was always going to be a cluster, and there?s really no civil remedy because the situation itself has never been civil. There will always be strife and chaos when the aim is to compartmentalize societies, but chances are the same could also be said if they weren?t.

If human life really did originate in one place, then homogenization apparently wasn?t meant to be on the menu. We haven?t really learned how to come to acknowledge or manage that yet very well.