Indeed.Worgen said:
He did nothing illegal, or wrong. He just linked to them.
Plus, isn't archiving all of our cultural media and making it public the kind of shit we should be doing anyways?
US Seeks Extradition For UK Student's Copyright Violation
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He did nothing illegal, or wrong. He just linked to them.
Plus, isn't archiving all of our cultural media and making it public the kind of shit we should be doing anyways?
Well for a start, what the hell America? Why should he have a trial in your country rather than the country he lives in and was caught in. This has nothing to do with America, or at least nothing more to do with America than any other country.
Secondly, I'm pretty sure linking to illegal sites isn't illegal, and if it is it shouldn't be. In fact, if his site linked to The Pirate Bay and other torrent sites, then all he was doing was linking with a site that has it's own links to illegal software. If that's illegal then where does it end?
Surely Google is just as guilty of this crime as the student is? Try searching "Pirate" in Google and look what the top result is.
Should we then punish the sites that link to TV Shack?
What about the sites that link to the sites that link to TV Shack?
This simply doesn't work, and the only reason these kind of stupid laws get allowed in the first place is because the companies who are hurt by this have all the money, and therefore all the power. Obtaining copies of things you don't own should be illegal, that's fair enough, but I think this is just ridiculous.
Secondly, I'm pretty sure linking to illegal sites isn't illegal, and if it is it shouldn't be. In fact, if his site linked to The Pirate Bay and other torrent sites, then all he was doing was linking with a site that has it's own links to illegal software. If that's illegal then where does it end?
Surely Google is just as guilty of this crime as the student is? Try searching "Pirate" in Google and look what the top result is.
Should we then punish the sites that link to TV Shack?
What about the sites that link to the sites that link to TV Shack?
This simply doesn't work, and the only reason these kind of stupid laws get allowed in the first place is because the companies who are hurt by this have all the money, and therefore all the power. Obtaining copies of things you don't own should be illegal, that's fair enough, but I think this is just ridiculous.
I'm confused. Why can't England handle this? Does England not have the legal authority to prosecute or something?
I... but.. what?
OK look I've got nothing against the average American on the street, but by all that's holy do you guys have one fucked up govornment. Is linking to illegal torrents wrong? Sure. Is it illegal? Maybe, possibly (we all know it isn't in Sweeden, wink wink). Is it so illegal that you need to ship the poor guy halfway across the world? Fuck off.
He commited a crime, he'll get punished. Whether or not America punishes him is beside the point. In fact it's so beside the point that it's going to need plane tickets and a damn passport to see the bloody point!
America does not police the internet, I know that all of the main routing servers are currently on US soil but honestly, it's acts like this that enforce the stuck up, arrogant, blindly-patriotic American sterotype that I've spent most of this post attempting not to referance.
OK look I've got nothing against the average American on the street, but by all that's holy do you guys have one fucked up govornment. Is linking to illegal torrents wrong? Sure. Is it illegal? Maybe, possibly (we all know it isn't in Sweeden, wink wink). Is it so illegal that you need to ship the poor guy halfway across the world? Fuck off.
He commited a crime, he'll get punished. Whether or not America punishes him is beside the point. In fact it's so beside the point that it's going to need plane tickets and a damn passport to see the bloody point!
America does not police the internet, I know that all of the main routing servers are currently on US soil but honestly, it's acts like this that enforce the stuck up, arrogant, blindly-patriotic American sterotype that I've spent most of this post attempting not to referance.
Okay, if we're going to do this we need to get focused. Going after some random kid that put some links to movies and TV shows is a complete waste of time; if we want to stop this pirating, we need to stop the pirates. The people uploading the stuff. Doing anything else is just a waste of time and effort.
That said, I think we need to really rethink the copyright laws we have in place right now. There are some ethical issues at play here that simply aren't accounted for in our archaic system; it hasn't changed a bit since the internet, the single greatest communication breakthrough in the history of our species. That's just not okay. Right now, there are some things that are simply asinine (we can record television onto a VHS tape, but distributing an episode over the internet is wrong?), and we need to take a step back and rebuild these laws from the ground up with modern technology in mind.
That said, I think we need to really rethink the copyright laws we have in place right now. There are some ethical issues at play here that simply aren't accounted for in our archaic system; it hasn't changed a bit since the internet, the single greatest communication breakthrough in the history of our species. That's just not okay. Right now, there are some things that are simply asinine (we can record television onto a VHS tape, but distributing an episode over the internet is wrong?), and we need to take a step back and rebuild these laws from the ground up with modern technology in mind.
Why is my country wasting it's time and our money on this?
I mean, US, I'm trying to defend you. I really am. But shit like this makes that extremely tough.
I mean, US, I'm trying to defend you. I really am. But shit like this makes that extremely tough.
You know, I'm not really for piracy and all that jazz, but I really don't think he broke a copyright law here. He just had links, which as far as I know (which is, admittedly, not very far), isn't illegal. if it is then that seems a bit dodgy to me because it could be pretty easily exaggerated. Hopefully he'll be saved by one of the few good things about our current government, that they're not quite as cosy with the US as we have been.
Oh come on! Really? Really? Extradition because of something that doesn't even hurt anyone and usually is not even causing companies to lose money(because most people just wouldn't watch it if it weren't online)?
Seems like an odd Precedentrees263 said:
.Just start making things we don't like illegal and demanding folks be extradited here.
I lulz'd at this. But you make a good pointOutlaw Torn said:
. I think >_>.
Go-go-gadget irony.thethingthatlurks said:
America's primary export is intellectual property. The rest of the world, especially Asia, regularly steals that IP. I'm not saying this is the reason why we're broke, but it's not unrelated. Our government's recent, severe crack-down on piracy is an attempt to repair our most important revenue stream.
You could certainly debate the wisdom of an economy that relies on IP, but that's another thread.
I'm still pissed about the Gary Mckinley thing, where a guy from the UK with Asperger's hacked the Pentagon looking for information about aliens, and they're trying to get him on an extradition order as a terrorist.
This is exactly I keep thinking 'fuck you' every time I hear a new law crushing freedoms, they keep saying 'oh we need these powers or the terrorists win, we'll only use them against threats to our national safety, and then a week later they're using them on threats to EMI's bottom line.
Of course, the big isue underlying all of it, is that people are shocked, of course he's being hunted internationally, rapists, child molesters and murderers don't cost corporations money, in the end, they're bad news for a few minor individuals, but they're not affecting the important people who make decisions.
I really don't want to be that crazy guy on the street corner yelling about the 'govment' but damn, in the UK there's a law being pushed thru that if you're accused of copyright infringement 3 times, your internet gets cut off. You've got kids, or other family or you house share? fuck you, we don't care, this is about big business that pay for our political campaigns, we can't afford to consider personal rights, freedom, or basic legal justice, like proof of guilt.
On top of that, it has a clause in it that's all new, which if passed, for the first time ever, means that they can go back, and rewrite the law, putting ANYTHING in, without having to pass it by the representatives of the country.
I'm really NOT pro piracy, but I am anti the witchhunting going on. It's entirely correct that he should be punished for what he did, profiting from the illegal downloading of movies, but it should be dealt with here, as is legally right, by a 98 year old judge who needs the concept of electricity explained to him before they can move onto movies, the internet, downloads and the like.
Let me ask you this, if he'd broken into HMV overnight, and stolen a thousand actual DVDs and CDs, would he be looking at the US hunting him down? Why on earth is piracy seen as so much worse than actual stealing? At least there's a clear and obvious, accountable loss assigned to theft. (not at all saying piracy doesn't lose people sales money, I'm just saying it's not as clear cut to define amounts.) Again, I'm not pro piracy, I just think there's too many rights being torn up to nail a few bedroom pirates. (I accept he was a pro and needed to be caught, just not treated like a damn terror suspect).
I know I make long posts,but if I summed it all up in one word, I'd get a warning for low content, despite 'C***s' pretty much covering it.
This is exactly I keep thinking 'fuck you' every time I hear a new law crushing freedoms, they keep saying 'oh we need these powers or the terrorists win, we'll only use them against threats to our national safety, and then a week later they're using them on threats to EMI's bottom line.
Of course, the big isue underlying all of it, is that people are shocked, of course he's being hunted internationally, rapists, child molesters and murderers don't cost corporations money, in the end, they're bad news for a few minor individuals, but they're not affecting the important people who make decisions.
I really don't want to be that crazy guy on the street corner yelling about the 'govment' but damn, in the UK there's a law being pushed thru that if you're accused of copyright infringement 3 times, your internet gets cut off. You've got kids, or other family or you house share? fuck you, we don't care, this is about big business that pay for our political campaigns, we can't afford to consider personal rights, freedom, or basic legal justice, like proof of guilt.
On top of that, it has a clause in it that's all new, which if passed, for the first time ever, means that they can go back, and rewrite the law, putting ANYTHING in, without having to pass it by the representatives of the country.
I'm really NOT pro piracy, but I am anti the witchhunting going on. It's entirely correct that he should be punished for what he did, profiting from the illegal downloading of movies, but it should be dealt with here, as is legally right, by a 98 year old judge who needs the concept of electricity explained to him before they can move onto movies, the internet, downloads and the like.
Let me ask you this, if he'd broken into HMV overnight, and stolen a thousand actual DVDs and CDs, would he be looking at the US hunting him down? Why on earth is piracy seen as so much worse than actual stealing? At least there's a clear and obvious, accountable loss assigned to theft. (not at all saying piracy doesn't lose people sales money, I'm just saying it's not as clear cut to define amounts.) Again, I'm not pro piracy, I just think there's too many rights being torn up to nail a few bedroom pirates. (I accept he was a pro and needed to be caught, just not treated like a damn terror suspect).
I know I make long posts,but if I summed it all up in one word, I'd get a warning for low content, despite 'C***s' pretty much covering it.
Start flooding the US State Dept with extradition applications for US citizens who violate British firearms laws.theultimateend said: