US Seeks Extradition For UK Student's Copyright Violation

[bootz]

So they shut down all his servers for... linking to youtube. Why don't they shut down google or youtube itself. I hope we sues to get his servers back.

 

[piper65]

"Did I mention that all of O'Dwyer's links were pointed at illegal streams and torrents? They were. Also, O'Dwyer was pulling down ad revenue from the site, because if you're going to break the law, you might as well make some scratch in the process, right?"

wow, biased reporting?

And, why is there any moral judgment put on top of this kind of cases?
There is no moral question here, just the one with the big bucks and influence in government crushing the opportunistic

 

[Lightslei]

The United State needs to take a lesson from history.

We Americans have no commission from God to police the world.

Should also allow non-US folk to commit criminal acts against them with impunity?

Governments should fear all people, not force people to fear them. The government is corrupt and controlled by lobbyists and politicians own avarice, thus I do not support anything that is obviously created by corporations for their own personal and ludicrous benefit.

People shouldn't fear a government, but criminals should. According to your argument, corporations should ideally lack a means of preventing people from stealing their ideas, inventions and services. The idea that someone may invest a huge amount of money and hard work in something, only for someone to come along and take it is a slap in the face to decent working people. I find it ironic that we should be criticizing the corporations for greed during a discussion about pirates who will steal whatever they want.

Government, through copyright laws, provide businesses the means to protect their hard work. Government is thus presenting a valuable service to the people in that respect. Without it, businesses could not properly function.

And if these businesses didn't create artificial amounts of damage, and destroy the lives of people who live in the lower class for minor infractions, then I wouldn't be as agitated by them.

Someone pirates a song we sell for $1, sue them for $1,000 per song.

Just does not make logical sense to me.

In addition, I disagree with numerous laws that seem illogical to enforce, or are quite frankly stupid, for example, it being illegal to wear slippers after 10PM in NY.

Definition of what is criminal, is subjective to those in power and their own biases. As long as people do not violate basic human rights, I fail to see many of the people deemed as criminals, as such.

 

[maninahat]

The United State needs to take a lesson from history.

We Americans have no commission from God to police the world.

Should also allow non-US folk to commit criminal acts against them with impunity?

Governments should fear all people, not force people to fear them. The government is corrupt and controlled by lobbyists and politicians own avarice, thus I do not support anything that is obviously created by corporations for their own personal and ludicrous benefit.

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And if these businesses didn't create artificial amounts of damage, and destroy the lives of people who live in the lower class for minor infractions, then I wouldn't be as agitated by them.

Someone pirates a song we sell for $1, sue them for $1,000 per song.

Just does not make logical sense to me.

In addition, I disagree with numerous laws that seem illogical to enforce, or are quite frankly stupid, for example, it being illegal to wear slippers after 10PM in NY.

Definition of what is criminal, is subjective to those in power and their own biases. As long as people do not violate basic human rights, I fail to see many of the people deemed as criminals, as such.

It isn't just the lower classes who pirate stuff. Considering you have to own a computer and internet access in the first place, internet piracy favours middle-class folk: the kind who can normally afford the stuff in the first place.

And you have to make the punishment to both discourage pirates from committing the crime, and severe enough to recompense the businesses for lost profits. Pirating a $1 song could result in tens of thousands of people getting that song for free. It is unlikely that everyone who shares that song would buy it (if buying were the only option), but obviously many potential buyers are taking the free option.

Whilst "criminal" is subjective, I don't see how one wouldn't reason that casual theft is wrong, it has victims, and it should go punished. Property is a basic human right, and theft violates it.

 

[Lightslei]

The United State needs to take a lesson from history.

We Americans have no commission from God to police the world.

Should also allow non-US folk to commit criminal acts against them with impunity?

Governments should fear all people, not force people to fear them. The government is corrupt and controlled by lobbyists and politicians own avarice, thus I do not support anything that is obviously created by corporations for their own personal and ludicrous benefit.

snip

And if these businesses didn't create artificial amounts of damage, and destroy the lives of people who live in the lower class for minor infractions, then I wouldn't be as agitated by them.

Someone pirates a song we sell for $1, sue them for $1,000 per song.

Just does not make logical sense to me.

In addition, I disagree with numerous laws that seem illogical to enforce, or are quite frankly stupid, for example, it being illegal to wear slippers after 10PM in NY.

Definition of what is criminal, is subjective to those in power and their own biases. As long as people do not violate basic human rights, I fail to see many of the people deemed as criminals, as such.

It isn't just the lower classes who pirate stuff. Considering you have to own a computer and internet access in the first place, internet piracy favours middle-class folk: the kind who can normally afford the stuff in the first place.

And you have to make the punishment to both discourage pirates from committing the crime, and severe enough to recompense the businesses for lost profits. Pirating a $1 song could result in tens of thousands of people getting that song for free. It is unlikely that everyone who shares that song would buy it (if buying were the only option), but obviously many potential buyers are taking the free option.

Whilst "criminal" is subjective, I don't see how one wouldn't reason that casual theft is wrong, it has victims, and it should go punished. Property is a basic human right, and theft violates it.

And then I can argue that large organizations steal from artists by claiming absurd expenses for publishing their work.

You're making a circular argument against me.

 

[Fetzenfisch]

not only after UK but also EU law he didnt do anything forbidden. If you state on your site that you dont take responsibility for the sites you are linking to (which can be altered all the time without you noticing) you cant be blamed for the crimes of the linked pages.
Plus i dont know the EU or UK laws on this , but in Germany it is not illegal to watch a show that has run in tv already, because you can make a copy of everything you could watch on tv, thats why you have to pay a tax for it.

 

[maninahat]

And then I can argue that large organizations steal from artists by claiming absurd expenses for publishing their work.

You're making a circular argument against me.

But those expenses are necessary for making the music, producing vast quantities of cds, and providing the means of sending those songs to millions of people. Plus it pays for artwork, adverts, and everything else. Artists are better off with a big music business than without. Millions of listeners are better off being provided with a means to hear their favourite artists. But this arrangement only works if the business continues to make money. Pirates ensure they make less money. In terms of revenue, artists take a fairly big percentage. 50% for a cd. Far less so on a digital download, but still way more than, say, the royalties a writer receives for a novel (between 5 and 0.5%).

 

[emeraldrafael]

mmm... I can see why we want to bring him here. He's been streaming stuff thats US property (movies, well some of them).

he should be tried in every country that he took something from, and each sentence should be compounded on top of each other. so yes, I do think he should be extradited, but he should also be tried in Britain and other places as well.

 

[JordanMillward_1]

mmm... I can see why we want to bring him here. He's been streaming stuff thats US property (movies, well some of them).

he should be tried in every country that he took something from, and each sentence should be compounded on top of each other. so yes, I do think he should be extradited, but he should also be tried in Britain and other places as well.

Who's property it is, and where they are from, is immaterial. The only thing that counts is the jurisdiction - where the alleged crime occurred.

If it occurred in the UK, and his acts weren't illegal in the UK (they weren't), he hasn't committed a crime, and so there's nothing they can do about it.

If he has broken the law (note - he hasn't), Google and every other search engine that brings up sites like piratebay and demonoid have broken the same law.