US supreme court rules Trump has ‘absolute immunity’ for official acts

[Hades]

Morons (Trump included) rioting does not a coup make.

Riots are typically unplanned explosions of rage. Basically flailing and trying to hurt everyone around you.

And the coup was not that. Trump spend months and even years fostering that rage and rather than just violently expressing their emotions the coup had a concrete goal. To prevent the legitimate government from taking office and installing a false one in its place.

They're not football hooligans super mad their team lost. They were people actively trying to murder the vice president when he wouldn't abolish democracy for them. They weren't mad they lost, they were mad that Trump wasn't crowned president despite losing, and were using violence to try and intimidate it into still happening, or at least severely punish everyone who stopped them.

I bet that if Clinton had send a mob to tear apart Joe Biden for not bypassing Trump and crowning her president people would suddenly go ''that's not a riot! That's a coup!''

 

[meiam]

This idea of "Trump is a moron and failed his coup therefore its not a coup" is crazy. Like, all that needed to happen for things to go different is Pence to be a good little toady (ie what the 2025 people want to do) and things could have gone very differently. Heck, what would have happened if the mob had got their hand one any official?

 

[Trunkage]

Not even remotely true. You guys legitimately believe this? The thing is, if you actually believe this, America can already be considered a dictatorship because the people that actually care who you vote for, you're all voting for who they want you to every single time. Both parties play the same exact game, vote for us or the worst possible thing will happen so then you can't not vote for someone else because then you not voting for your team could cause the other team to win so you have to keep voting the same people in over and over again.

I didn't say dictatorship

I'm just wondering why you think the Constitution applies to the president now after this decision

Or better yet, why would the president have to accept that voting exists? A president could just say that there doesn't need to be voting

Show us the line the Supreme Court made that mean that the president has done something illegal.

Edit: I never want Biden, Bush, Obama, Jefferson, Lincoln or Washington to ever have these powers. NO one should have these powers

 

[Trunkage]

This idea of "Trump is a moron and failed his coup therefore its not a coup" is crazy. Like, all that needed to happen for things to go different is Pence to be a good little toady (ie what the 2025 people want to do) and things could have gone very differently. Heck, what would have happened if the mob had got their hand one any official?

Look up how Gaddafi did a coup. It's ridiculous

 

[Trunkage]

Let's say that it's true, there is a Biden Mafia Megacriminal family

Biden is now immune from prosecution.

If Biden does crimes, he should go to jail.

Stop letting criminals go free US conservatives.

 

[Agema]

Let's say that it's true, there is a Biden Mafia Megacriminal family

Biden is now immune from prosecution.

If Biden does crimes, he should go to jail.

Stop letting criminals go free US conservatives.

In terms of super-hot dumb takes, we can also take the leader of the House, Mike Johnson:

"Today’s ruling by the Court is a victory for former President Trump and all future presidents, and another defeat for President Biden’s weaponized Department of Justice and Jack Smith."

Because, of course, the wider ruling is actually an absolute gift for any president that wants to weaponise the DoJ against American citizens.

 

[Burnhardt]

PS: It also means that Biden is immune to anything he does from now on. Let that sink in...

If you honestly think that anything and everything Biden does from this point (or has done up to this point for that matter) will be ruled as 'Official Acts', then I have some magic beans you might be interested in.

Trump is already claiming immunity in his New York fraud trial despite committing said payments before he was elected and sentencing has been delayed says it all .
Biden's impeachment inquiry is still (officially) ongoing despite, you know, apparently just being granted complete immunity for his acts as President.

This ruling is ultimately about Trumps Supreme Court cronies, giving him (and only him) complete immunity to any crimes he has done and will do.

 

[tstorm823]

Sure as long as his victims just rolled over THEN he didn't have to go do bloodshed.

The implication was that the right was not using violence, the only violence would come from the left.

I can only assume that you know very little about what's been happening in Hungary.

I assume that the things you know about any other country is whatever they write in the Guardian.

 

[Trunkage]

In terms of super-hot dumb takes, we can also take the leader of the House, Mike Johnson:

"Today’s ruling by the Court is a victory for former President Trump and all future presidents, and another defeat for President Biden’s weaponized Department of Justice and Jack Smith."

Because, of course, the wider ruling is actually an absolute gift for any president that wants to weaponise the DoJ against American citizens.

I would say it goes further than that. The whole point is that all departments under the president is not allowed to think for themselves. That's the whole point of getting rid of Chevron

It does make weaponisation of the DOJ a possibility. It makes the weaponisation the only function of the DOJ

 

[tstorm823]

I would say it goes further than that. The whole point is that all departments under the president is not allowed to think for themselves. That's the whole point of getting rid of Chevron

To be clear, Chevron deference had nothing to do with the relationship between the departments and the president, and very little even to do with the relationships between the departments and congress, and was almost entirely the relationship between the departments and the courts. When Congress passes vague laws, the enforcement agencies have space to interpret how to enforce the law. This is still the case. Chevron deference was a standard that said in a situation like that, if someone takes the government to court over said enforcement claiming it violates the law as written, the courts would defer to the departments themselves to tell them what the law is. Getting rid of that means that the courts will have to do their jobs and interpret the laws that Congress passed, not defer to the unelected bureaucrats that are being sued to decide the legality of their own actions.

The enforcement agencies were already beneath the president's authority, taking power from them also takes power from the president. Gutting Chevron weakens the Presidency.

 

[Thaluikhain]

This idea of "Trump is a moron and failed his coup therefore its not a coup" is crazy. Like, all that needed to happen for things to go different is Pence to be a good little toady (ie what the 2025 people want to do) and things could have gone very differently. Heck, what would have happened if the mob had got their hand one any official?

Time to post this again. Hey, he's almost orange and has weird hair as well.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

Oh right, I always forget that you're a russian asset and thus pointless to message at all.

Huh?

It's pure projection. Accuse your opponent of doing what it is you do, to put them on the back foot.

Are you legit saying/typing this with a straight fucking face?

I didn't say dictatorship

I'm just wondering why you think the Constitution applies to the president now after this decision

Or better yet, why would the president have to accept that voting exists? A president could just say that there doesn't need to be voting

Show us the line the Supreme Court made that mean that the president has done something illegal.

Edit: I never want Biden, Bush, Obama, Jefferson, Lincoln or Washington to ever have these powers. NO one should have these powers

I kinda responded to 3 replies in one because it was all about the same stuff basically.

Is presidential immunity in the constitution? Thus anything in the constitution supersedes it.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

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Blue team wants a quick and easy way to delegitimize red team and distract from their own failings, and red team wants the same against blue team, but both want to keep attention and accountability away from oligarchs who fund (and represent through for-profit media) both sides by any means necessary.

Yep, that's why the issues that become important all the time like say gay marriage or abortion are things that they don't care changes. The far more important things like say healthcare reform or wealth disparity don't come up because they want you distracted by the shit that doesn't matter to them. The 2-party system here is more akin to theater, the republicans are the heel and the democrats are the face ala wrestling. Neither actually wants to completely dominate because then they'd actually have to do what they promised or everyone would get pissed. Now, it's pretty easy for either party to complain that it's the other side blocking them from doing what we really want them to do. If the other side becomes so powerless that they don't have enough power/people to block things, then it's as bad equally bad for your side. Like if the dems actually get super majorities in both the house and senate and can do basically want they want, them failing to do stuff would be basically a death sentence. It's setup so they can constantly use the Scooby Doo defense " if it hadn't been for you meddling kids!"

 

[thebobmaster]

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Since it's not doing the preview: to absolutely no shock to anyone with a brain, Trump is now using this ruling to seek another pause in the classified documents case.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

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Since it's not doing the preview: to absolutely no shock to anyone with a brain, Trump is now using this ruling to seek another pause in the classified documents case.

So? It's not gonna apply because didn't he have those documents after no longer being president?

 

[meiam]

Yep, that's why the issues that become important all the time like say gay marriage or abortion are things that they don't care changes. The far more important things like say healthcare reform or wealth disparity don't come up because they want you distracted by the shit that doesn't matter to them. The 2-party system here is more akin to theater, the republicans are the heel and the democrats are the face ala wrestling. Neither actually wants to completely dominate because then they'd actually have to do what they promised or everyone would get pissed. Now, it's pretty easy for either party to complain that it's the other side blocking them from doing what we really want them to do. If the other side becomes so powerless that they don't have enough power/people to block things, then it's as bad equally bad for your side. Like if the dems actually get super majorities in both the house and senate and can do basically want they want, them failing to do stuff would be basically a death sentence. It's setup so they can constantly use the Scooby Doo defense " if it hadn't been for you meddling kids!"

Really? "Both side are the same"? You claim both side avoid the "really important stuff like healthcare reform", remember when one party push hard for healthcare reform and the other went absolute batshit insane and promise they'd do anything to stop it, going so far as refuse free money to help cover more patient?

Also, have you been living under a rock the pass couple of year? Abortion just massively changed, gay marriage was legalize not long ago, and politician wouldn't have to waste time if the same party wasn't constantly trying to block the other everytime it tried to improve life. Just because it doesn't affect you personally doesn't mean its not changing.

 

[Trunkage]

Is presidential immunity in the constitution? Thus anything in the constitution supersedes it.

Yeah. That's not what the Supreme Court said

Eg. If Biden somehow was still alive, he could go for a third term. He has immunity and you cannot prove that he broke any constitutional amendment because you cannot use any evidence from his time in office

If any impedes presidential power, the Supreme Court staged that it needs to be stopped

 

[Trunkage]

So? It's not gonna apply because didn't he have those documents after no longer being president?

He said he declared them not classified and his during his time in office. You cannot impede presidential power

Edit: He took them while he was still president. Thus their existence in his hotel cannot be used as evidence in court

 

[tstorm823]

Yeah. That's not what the Supreme Court said

You're wrong, but if you weren't, the Constitution supersedes anything the Supreme Court says.

 

[Trunkage]

You're wrong, but if you weren't, the Constitution supersedes anything the Supreme Court says.

I don't know if you noticed, the Supreme Court regularly changes what the constitution means

You have literally complained about the Warren court doing the same thing. So please don't.